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[Bless_O_Blee]

This is a unpopular opinion but later down the line of MWO I think they should throw the timeline out the window and just have "anything" in the Mech Warrior universe so it adds endlessly more content to the pvp experience.
Yes that means more mechs from other timelines and weapons that add in different play styles for people.

I am not hugely knowledgeable of the Mech Warrior universe but I do know it is vast with all sorts of exciting stuff to explore and would fit in great with the team based pvp experience.

I would love people to join in on this convo and its good to be back in MWO after a long break.

Thank you devs for a good game and I only hope for good things.

Edited by Hawk Eye Gouge, 01 February 2021 - 12:24 PM.

[LordNothing]

i didnt know they were even following the lore. they have had a lot of opportunities to include lore in the game and they neglected all of them. only thing they tend to follow is the timeline, and only barely. its often used as an excuse not to improve the game.

[Bless_O_Blee]

LordNothing, on 01 February 2021 - 12:20 PM, said:

i didnt know they were even following the lore. they have had a lot of opportunities to include lore in the game and they neglected all of them. only thing they tend to follow is the timeline, and only barely. its often used as an excuse not to improve the game.

Sorry I should of just said the timeline but its been a while since I played. I do know about the timeline thing because didn't they increase it when they did the civil war update?

Edited by Hawk Eye Gouge, 01 February 2021 - 12:24 PM.

[LordNothing]

well yea but that is really the only time they advanced time. move up to jihad or perhaps all the way to dark ages and just implement everything. but a weapons pack consists of substantial work that will take pig months. they would have to be as skilled as certain mw5 modders to do that work in a sane amount of time. also you would want to have period mechs as well, because future weapons without future mechs would be kind of meh. of course if they did it i would buy a mech pack or two.

Edited by LordNothing, 01 February 2021 - 12:27 PM.

[Bless_O_Blee]

LordNothing, on 01 February 2021 - 12:25 PM, said:

well yea but that is really the only time they advanced time. move up to jihad or perhaps all the way to dark ages and just implement everything. but a weapons pack consists of substantial work that will take pig months. they would have to be as skilled as certain mw5 modders to do that work in a sane amount of time. also you would want to have period mechs as well, because future weapons without future mechs would be kind of meh. of course if they did it i would buy a mech pack or two.

I feel like that could work. I feel like new mechs from those other timelines would be very interesting and I wouldn't mind spending $ on those packs and while this is going out they could throw in small weapon updates every so often with new weapons instead of just throwing out a whole line of new weapons in one update. For example they could do a pack with 2 mechs from the jihad timeline and another 2 from the dark ages if that makes any sense.

[LordNothing]

i worry that an mwo2 would go back to the 3050s and stay there. seems to be pgi's preferred time period. but i feel like ive played that game before.

adding weapons to mwo is like adding blocks to minecraft. the more stuff i can build with the better. i feel its something they could have monetized to great effect. had they rolled every mech pack out with new equipment. at first the equipment would be exclusive, then go through an mc period, finally becoming cbill gear as the mech pack becomes available for cbills. they tried to do that with tacticon and masc, however i think that should have been possible to use that on other mechs. being able to minmax my sensors or install masc on everything would have been awesome.

[FupDup]

All my homies hate the timeline.

I don't like how the BT/MW series seems to keep retreading the same old territory over and over again. 3025, 3050 pre-invasion, Clan invasion, and a little bit of Civil War (just MW4 and MWO). And that's it. Mechassault, for all its flaws, actually tried something different by going into the Jihad.

I want my Lament. And my Wulfen. And my RISC Hyper Lasers (okay maybe not those, or maybe so........). So many things that we've never seen before, so little reason to keep rehashing the same old content for decades.

Edited by FupDup, 01 February 2021 - 01:15 PM.

[LordNothing]

FupDup, on 01 February 2021 - 01:13 PM, said:

All my homies hate the timeline.

I don't like how the BT/MW series seems to keep retreading the same old territory over and over again. 3025, 3050 pre-invasion, Clan invasion, and a little bit of Civil War (just MW4 and MWO). And that's it. Mechassault, for all its flaws, actually tried something different by going into the Jihad.

I want my Lament. And my Wulfen. And my RISC Hyper Lasers (okay maybe not those, or maybe so........). So many things that we've never seen before, so little reason to keep rehashing the same old content for decades.

yea me not being a console gamer never got to play mech assault. and i dont think i ever finished mechwarrior 3 either, which is a shame because it has some great mechanics.

[FupDup]

LordNothing, on 01 February 2021 - 01:17 PM, said:

yea me not being a console gamer never got to play mech assault. and i dont think i ever finished mechwarrior 3 either, which is a shame because it has some great mechanics.

Imagine an actual PC MW game that did the Jihad and did it better...imagine fighting an Omega or a whole lance of them as a boss fight. Then you salvage them and get to annihilate everything from behind the wheel (erm, joystick) of the first playable 150-ton mech in an MW game. Or maybe push the timeline even further and fight/pilot the Ares tripod. Or add Quadvees so we can make Nascar actually literal.

Or, instead, we can do 3025 again. Because we definitely haven't done that enough yet.

EDIT: Also, there's work being done on an Xbox emulator for PC as well as getting Mechassault playable on it. I dunno how far along it is.

Edited by FupDup, 01 February 2021 - 01:24 PM.

[LordNothing]

FupDup, on 01 February 2021 - 01:23 PM, said:

Imagine an actual PC MW game that did the Jihad and did it better...imagine fighting an Omega or a whole lance of them as a boss fight. Then you salvage them and get to annihilate everything from behind the wheel (erm, joystick) of the first playable 150-ton mech in an MW game. Or maybe push the timeline even further and fight/pilot the Ares tripod. Or add Quadvees so we can make Nascar actually literal.

Or, instead, we can do 3025 again. Because we definitely haven't done that enough yet.

quads and protomechs and superheavies oh my.

[Bless_O_Blee]

LordNothing, on 01 February 2021 - 01:28 PM, said:

quads and protomechs and superheavies oh my.

Man can you imagine a quad mech with a big ol weapon on its back sitting behind a hill taking people out? Hell yeah dude.

[PocketYoda]

This game is "loosely" based off the Civil wars timeline 3062-3067.. at least according to the Tabletop books. Its a short while after the Clan wars 3050-3061 when Clan mechs are owned buy inner sphere and vice versa..

Clan mechs were literally sold to inner sphere by Clans at this time. So to op, i believe you wish has already come true at least in Quickplay. Faction war locking factions mechs out makes really no sense for this time line though.

FupDup, on 01 February 2021 - 01:13 PM, said:

All my homies hate the timeline.

I don't like how the BT/MW series seems to keep retreading the same old territory over and over again. 3025, 3050 pre-invasion, Clan invasion, and a little bit of Civil War (just MW4 and MWO). And that's it. Mechassault, for all its flaws, actually tried something different by going into the Jihad.

I want my Lament. And my Wulfen. And my RISC Hyper Lasers (okay maybe not those, or maybe so........). So many things that we've never seen before, so little reason to keep rehashing the same old content for decades.

I would also like Dark Age and Jihad, but sadly people hate change so we are doomed to play the same tired old memes that is Clan invasion or pre clan invasion stuff..

Edited by Samial, 01 February 2021 - 09:13 PM.

[InvictusLee]

Hawk Eye Gouge, on 01 February 2021 - 12:08 PM, said:

This is a unpopular opinion but later down the line of MWO I think they should throw the timeline out the window and just have "anything" in the Mech Warrior universe so it adds endlessly more content to the pvp experience.
Yes that means more mechs from other timelines and weapons that add in different play styles for people.

I am not hugely knowledgeable of the Mech Warrior universe but I do know it is vast with all sorts of exciting stuff to explore and would fit in great with the team based pvp experience.

I would love people to join in on this convo and its good to be back in MWO after a long break.

Thank you devs for a good game and I only hope for good things.

Its just an excuse from Russ. Not to be critical, this is not an attack, its just reality.
The reason they don't advance the timeline is that PGI/Russ doesn't want to invest the time or money into importing advanced weapon systems/mechs/assets that exist beyond the 3050 timeline, because the population is "too small". IE: They arnt making enough money to "justify" active development on the game that many many maaaany people invested their hard earned dollars into via mechpacks and such. I've personally spent hundreds of dollars in this game and I'm kinda ticked that the man is just dismisses my love and money I have put into the game, and he doesn't care about the individual player experience.

I mean the man said it himself in the last town hall.
Now, despite feeling betrayed by the devs, I still like the game, because even though its old, its still wildly entertaining.
I also think I've got some sunk-cost paranoia there too since the game was abandoned for two years while they launched MW5.

[redacted]

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 02 February 2021 - 03:55 AM.

[Lanzman]

I'm still waiting for Swarm and Thunder LRMs, which should be in the game already based on the timeline. Or Thunderbolt missiles. Or jump jets that let you actually jump FFS.

[Novakaine]

[rook]

https://mwomercs.com/clock

Apparently, it's 3060 right now.

[Wolfos31]

IMO the Dark Ages was a misstep in the lore. I don't mind if MWO never covers it. It'd also be really challenging to balance, since the whole point of Dark Age was another tech regression with lots of regions being cut off from each other and a lot of mechs being cobbled together using basic/ non battle rated tech.

IllKhan is looking more promising, but we haven't finished the Civil War or the Jihad yet.

[InvictusLee]

Lanzman, on 02 February 2021 - 07:06 AM, said:

I'm still waiting for Swarm and Thunder LRMs, which should be in the game already based on the timeline. Or Thunderbolt missiles. Or jump jets that let you actually jump FFS.

In theory, the systems in game already exist for swarm lrms.
So it should be possible to implement them in a non-game breaking way.

[Lanzman]

Wolfos31, on 02 February 2021 - 11:20 AM, said:

IMO the Dark Ages was a misstep in the lore. I don't mind if MWO never covers it. It'd also be really challenging to balance, since the whole point of Dark Age was another tech regression with lots of regions being cut off from each other and a lot of mechs being cobbled together using basic/ non battle rated tech.

IllKhan is looking more promising, but we haven't finished the Civil War or the Jihad yet.

Agree. The Dork Age was a tedious muddle when the ClickyTech fad came in. No-one who played BattleTech was interested in driving a lawnmower. And then it led to the whole Republic of the Sphere, which was basically a rehash of the fall of the Star League. Which is why I pretty much stopped paying attention to the novels and stuff after the FedCom Civil War. Everything after that was just . . . meh.

[LordNothing]

Wolfos31, on 02 February 2021 - 11:20 AM, said:

IMO the Dark Ages was a misstep in the lore. I don't mind if MWO never covers it. It'd also be really challenging to balance, since the whole point of Dark Age was another tech regression with lots of regions being cut off from each other and a lot of mechs being cobbled together using basic/ non battle rated tech.

IllKhan is looking more promising, but we haven't finished the Civil War or the Jihad yet.

idk sounds perfect to me. i always wanted kind of a periphery wars kind of thing with legacy tech. things like rockets and mech mortars and medium/heavy rifle, and of course melee. industrial mechs (i want my damn hard mode arbiter) with non-combat-rated armor. but that requires weapons that would be worthless in the main game, and so it would need its bukkit and its own queue and match maker, would never work.

going dark ages makes more sense. especially if we had destroyable equipment system from mw5. so you would be constantly rebuilding your mechs from whatever equipment you can scrounge up. keeping your meta mechs meta would be extremely difficult.