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[Makenzie71]

I thought it was match performance. But I have been paying attention to it and my ranking is definitely going up and down based on wins/losses. If I'm on the losing team, my performance can be fantastic but I still drop. If I win, but I perform horribly, I still go up.

WTF?

[El Bandito]

The chief influence is indeed win or loss. How one plays does matter to a degree, but less. If you do not wish to fall after a loss, then try to get a score of around 300. Around 420 score one goes up regardless of loss.

In comparison, one needs only 100 points to go up in rating in a victory. A win is a win.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 September 2015 - 03:31 AM.

[Makenzie71]

What a wonderfully arbitrary rating system.

[Raggedyman]

Makenzie71, on 28 September 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:

I thought it was match performance. But I have been paying attention to it and my ranking is definitely going up and down based on wins/losses. If I'm on the losing team, my performance can be fantastic but I still drop. If I win, but I perform horribly, I still go up.

It's based on how nice you are to your fellow players.
Act like a jerk, lose rank. Act not jerkishly and it goes up.

(That may not be true, but spreading the rumour can't hurt)

[Doman Hugin]

Think about it this way:

If you think you have no control over the other 11 people in your team, you are going to average 50/50 win/loss, so all tha leaves is your personal skill, wether your PSR goes up or down.

If you think you can have a positive or a negative effect on the team to secure a win or a loss, it's team-work plus your personal skill, wether your PSR goes up or down.

[Lugh]

El Bandito, on 28 September 2015 - 03:30 AM, said:

The chief influence is indeed win or loss. How one plays does matter to a degree, but less. If you do not wish to fall after a loss, then try to get a score of around 300. Around 420 score one goes up regardless of loss.

In comparison, one needs only 100 points to go up in rating in a victory. A win is a win.

see that's weird for me, and it may change the higher you go tier wise, but 300 is a common score for me, and mostly results in downtier mark on a loss. Even some 400s were downtiers on loss though the = is more common at that level it is not guaranteed.

[Paigan]

Raggedyman, on 28 September 2015 - 03:57 AM, said:

It's based on how nice you are to your fellow players.
Act like a jerk, lose rank. Act not jerkishly and it goes up.

(That may not be true, but spreading the rumour can't hurt)

This indeed couldn't be farther from the truth.

Apart from winning, as El Bandito already said, the vast majority of your score (and therefore PSR progress) is determined by raw damage.

If you really contribute, kill enemies quickly and efficiently, kill UAVs, cap, draw fire, keep enemies in cover for others to close in safely, etc., you can very well end up with a miserable score. Playing that way, you can NEVER hold your PSR or even get uprated on a loss.

If you uselessly spray lots of damage across all components of all enemy mechs (Lurms, anyone?), you can get a huge score much easier and might even be uprated despite a loss.

Read more details about that here.

Edited by Paigan, 28 September 2015 - 05:43 AM.

[MrJeffers]

You have to do exceptionally well in a loss to go up, and above average in a loss to stay the same

http://mwomercs.com/...-tiers-and-psr/

Edited by MrJeffers, 28 September 2015 - 06:53 AM.

[Amsro]

Doman Hugin, on 28 September 2015 - 04:05 AM, said:

Think about it this way:

If you think you have no control over the other 11 people in your team, you are going to average 50/50 win/loss, so all tha leaves is your personal skill, wether your PSR goes up or down.

If you think you can have a positive or a negative effect on the team to secure a win or a loss, it's team-work plus your personal skill, wether your PSR goes up or down.

Think about it this way, there are more ways to go up then go down.

Everyone will eventually get to the top if you persist long enough.

[Joseph Mallan]

Makenzie71, on 28 September 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:

I thought it was match performance. But I have been paying attention to it and my ranking is definitely going up and down based on wins/losses. If I'm on the losing team, my performance can be fantastic but I still drop. If I win, but I perform horribly, I still go up.

WTF?

[C E Dwyer]

P.S.R is based around pixie dust

[Monkey Lover]

If the tier system is working the tier bar is a xp bar.

[Johnny Z]

PSR is based on player score first and win/loss second. A high score will raise your rank regardless of a win or a loss. A bad score will lower your rank regardless of a win or a loss.

Mediocre scores are indeed effected by a win or a loss.

Edited by Johnny Z, 28 September 2015 - 08:06 AM.

[Death Proof]

Not sure why, but they originally described PSR as being based on your match score...but it's actually still based on your win/loss ratio...like Elo was.

Win/Loss determines if you go up or down...and your performance determine how much you go up or down. If you do exceptionally well on a loss you might go up. If you do very poorly on a win, you might not go up or down.

It's much better than the previous Elo system because it does take your performance somewhat into account , but I think the way they originally presented it made it sound like it was an actual skill rating system based on individual performance rather than your team's performance.

[Johnny Z]

Death Proof, on 28 September 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:

Not sure why, but they originally described PSR as being based on your match score...but it's actually still based on your win/loss ratio...like Elo was.

Win/Loss determines if you go up or down...and your performance determine how much you go up or down. If you do exceptionally well on a loss you might go up. If you do very poorly on a win, you might not go up or down.

It's much better than the previous Elo system because it does take your performance somewhat into account , but I think the way they originally presented it made it sound like it was an actual skill rating system based on individual performance rather than your team's performance.

Check your logic. PSR is based on match score. Some score do allow win/loss to become a factor.

For the reading disabled, match score determines if win/loss is a factor at all or not.

Edited by Johnny Z, 28 September 2015 - 08:10 AM.

[Raggedyman]

Paigan, on 28 September 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

This indeed couldn't be farther from the truth.

You really didn't read the bit in brackets, did you

[Johnny Z]

Repeating myself, but win/loss does in fact play a role in PSR. Does anyone think that win/loss should not reflect on a players PSR in some way? How can a PSR not include win/loss in some way. A tier 1 that has never won a match? Really? Its possible sure but doesnt make sense that win/loss should be entirely ignored.

A last reminder, top scores are not possible on a team with other high scorers.

Edited by Johnny Z, 28 September 2015 - 08:18 AM.

[Death Proof]

Johnny Z, on 28 September 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

Check your logic. PSR is based on match score. Some score do allow win/loss to become a factor.

For the reading disabled, match score determines if win/loss is a factor at all or not.

No, your PSR is based on win/loss.

If you win, it will either stay the same or go up. The amount it goes up by depends on your match score.

If you lose it will usually go down, unless you did very well...in which case it will stay the same. Only in very rare circumstances will it go up with a loss (you have to get a very high match score).

[GernMiester]

Makenzie71, on 28 September 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:

I thought it was match performance. But I have been paying attention to it and my ranking is definitely going up and down based on wins/losses. If I'm on the losing team, my performance can be fantastic but I still drop. If I win, but I perform horribly, I still go up.

WTF?

1st I get why its hard to go down tiers, griefers would do poorly just to slaughter noobs. Its what griefers do.

Tiers-
They are meaningless. If you play enough it will eventually put you in T1 T2 because the brainless ones at PGI says if you play more you get better.

You know just like if we all play a sport (not some fake esport loser nonsense) like soccer or football we will eventually all be playing for the pros. Or like we are all expert PC users who can fix every issue because we all use computers a lot so we must all be experts. Oh oh, I drive a car and its been like 20+ years so I could easily compete with those F1 drivers because I have a lot of practice.

Its posted somewhere here but you can google it yourself, you must be an expert googler because you use it everyday
right.

PGI logic.

[Johnny Z]

Death Proof, on 28 September 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

No, your PSR is based on win/loss.

If you win, it will either stay the same or go up. The amount it goes up by depends on your match score.

If you lose it will usually go down, unless you did very well...in which case it will stay the same. Only in very rare circumstances will it go up with a loss (you have to get a very high match score).

A player can get to tier one without ever winning a game with the current PSR. Right or wrong? If thats right how can it be based on win/loss?

I will even add, that not only is it possible to get to tier 1 without winning a single match, its doable. It would take a while longer is all. Since I have been fighting Clans on the Galactic war map enough to reach top rank and losing most matches as the Galactic war map clearly shows, I am in a unique position to comment on this.

Edited by Johnny Z, 28 September 2015 - 08:24 AM.