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[Speedy Plysitkos]

balance, they say....

[Speedy Plysitkos]

well in some matches, you know what will happen in next minutes, just when you see the movement of your team. Saying assaults dont go water, you are slow and open means, they ALL continue there....

what can you do...

Edited by Titannium, 04 October 2015 - 05:03 AM.

[Chemie]

I suspect all Tiers still see lots of 12-0. The Tier is not skill but games played (and won) counter.

Paul decided that more games = more skill which is not true. He design a ranking system that if his assumption was correct would work, but since it isn't, it doesn't.

Therefore, you get matched with players who have similar wins...which leads to these 12-0

[Speedy Plysitkos]

anyone can confirm, that in T1/2 is 12-0 also happenin ?

[Speedy Plysitkos]

honestly, what id like to see (optional) is the T there... just to know if i got melted from T3 guys, or T5 heros...

[Tarogato]

600 dmg HBR in a losing match? Why are you T5 anyways? =P

[El Bandito]

Titannium, on 04 October 2015 - 04:53 AM, said:

balance, they say....

What are you trying to prove here? That rolls happen in T5?

Well here is a T1 match. Rolls happen even faster in T1 (compare your 10 minute match vs 3 minute match here) since players know how to take advantage at the moment's notice.


Here is another match, over in 3:42.


No matter the tier people always blame their team for the loss though. They should know better at higher tiers. Complaining about PSR after a loss when they had Coburn in their team? For shame...

Edited by El Bandito, 04 October 2015 - 05:31 AM.

[Ano]

Titannium, on 04 October 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

anyone can confirm, that in T1/2 is 12-0 also happenin ?

That's not exactly possible, I don't think; remember there are technically three matchmaker groups

Group 1: Tier 5, 4, 3
Group 2: Tier 4, 3, 2
Group 3: Tier 3, 2, 1

I'm in tier 2, and I've been in a couple of stomptastic matches which definitely contained tier 1 players. Can't remember if they were 12-0 (probably not) but stomptastic nonetheless.

Some of this will be because of the way the tiers are created, but most of it is just the nature of MWO I think. All it takes is a little more co-ordination on one side and a couple of early kills, and even with two groups of decent players, there's a decent chance that the match will become a decisive victory for the the co-ordinated team.

EDIT: Ha! Gazumped by El Bandito!

Edited by Ano, 04 October 2015 - 06:16 AM.

[Oncoshi]

Ano, on 04 October 2015 - 06:15 AM, said:

That's not exactly possible, I don't think; remember there are technically three matchmaker groups

Group 1: Tier 5, 4, 3
Group 2: Tier 4, 3, 2
Group 3: Tier 3, 2, 1

I'm in tier 2, and I've been in a couple of stomptastic matches which definitely contained tier 1 players. Can't remember if they were 12-0 (probably not) but stomptastic nonetheless.

Some of this will be because of the way the tiers are created, but most of it is just the nature of MWO I think. All it takes is a little more co-ordination on one side and a couple of early kills, and even with two groups of decent players, there's a decent chance that the match will become a decisive victory for the the co-ordinated team.

EDIT: Ha! Gazumped by El Bandito!

That doesnt work. If u are T2 yourself and ask your buddys who just installed the game to play a round with you, your enemy could have a whole T1 team because u are T2 ranked. Doesnt matter what your new mates have.

So technically a T1 player has no chance to intruduce some new people to the game because the matchmaking would be broken like hell.

Edited by Oncoshi, 04 October 2015 - 06:38 AM.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Tarogato, on 04 October 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

Why are you T5 anyways? =P

because PGI said so. Because PGI is PUNISHING newbie players, and count their first matches to all stats.

Thats why. If i started a little earlier, and get my current mech from last month +-, ill be T3+.
But hey PGI like to punish newbie. its so cute.

[El Bandito]

Titannium, on 04 October 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

because PGI said so. Because PGI is PUNISHING newbie players, and count their first matches to all stats.

Thats why. If i started a little earlier, and get my current mech from last month +-, ill be T3+.
But hey PGI like to punish newbie. its so cute.

Making newbies fight T1-2 players from the beginning will be far more punishing, IMO.

If you are good enough, you can get to T3 easily. Lets see how will your rating change 1 month from now.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 October 2015 - 07:04 AM.

[Tarogato]

Oh, you joined in May this year, post PSR introduction. That explains it. Mind sharing your stats for science? You seem to be a prime example of PSR gone wrong.

KDR, WLR, %progress bar on your Tier. Let's see how well they fit into the bucket.

[Lostdragon]

I hate to tell you this, but you are still going to get rolled and have teams with 10 guys that can'take break 200 damage even if you get to T1. Everyone deals with this in the PUG queue. Everyone, even the best players, have bad games. Once a team is down 2 or 3 mechs if the opfor knows what they are doing they are going to push and the weight of fire from that deathball with players who know how to replace the vanguard and distribute incoming damage will quickly overwhelm their enemies.

I see lots of games that end in less than 5 minutes. I think a lot of people also don'the understand that a 12-0 games can actually have been very close. Often times the difference between winning and losing is a stalled push where mechs in the vanguard die under focus fire because no one steps up to relieve them and/or suppress the enemy. I have won 12-0 lots of times where most every mech on my team was severely damaged.

[Kdogg788]

Another topic about your tier? You fascinate me man. The real issue here should be the messed up way in which they calculate match score which goes into PSR. 576 damage and you just cracked 300 match score? That's just wrong. I can tell them where to put their 300 match score events after this.

-k

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Kdogg788, on 04 October 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

Another topic about your tier? You fascinate me man. The real issue here should be the messed up way in which they calculate match score which goes into PSR. 576 damage and you just cracked 300 match score? That's just wrong. I can tell them where to put their 300 match score events after this.

-k

Its my 2nd, and this isnt raging, like this first from me is. this is normal thread about stomp.

El Bandito, on 04 October 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

Making newbies fight T1-2 players from the beginning will be far more punishing, IMO.

If you are good enough, you can get to T3 easily. Lets see how will your rating change 1 month from now.

El,

im not saying putting newbie into group, where they face T1/2 is good way. not at all.
Im saying they punish newbie with caluclating their leveling matches in their PSR. There should be "safe" period for them. lets say, first 60-80 matches.
that would help.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Tarogato, on 04 October 2015 - 07:05 AM, said:

Oh, you joined in May this year, post PSR introduction. That explains it. Mind sharing your stats for science? You seem to be a prime example of PSR gone wrong.

KDR, WLR, %progress bar on your Tier. Let's see how well they fit into the bucket.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4712412

After first two weeks in MWO, back in may my KDR was 0.23

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Tarogato, on 04 October 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

600 dmg HBR in a losing match? Why are you T5 anyways? =P

i can do matches like this.... but what I see a problem... the bar is nearly not moving anywhere..

[El Bandito]

Titannium, on 04 October 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4712412

After first two weeks in MWO, back in may my KDR was 0.23

You still have not posted your stats. As long as your WLR is negative, you still do not belong up in T3. If you are indeed as good as you say, then you can reach T3 in a month without an issue. Let's see if you can pull it off.

After all, you said:

Titannium, on 04 October 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

If i started a little earlier, and get my current mech from last month +-, ill be T3+.
But hey PGI like to punish newbie. its so cute.

And if you can reach T3 in a month, then PSR is not as punishing as you claimed it is.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 October 2015 - 08:07 AM.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

El Bandito, on 04 October 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

You still have not posted your stats. As long as your WLR is negative, you still do not belong up in T3. If you are indeed as good as you say, then you can reach T3 in a month without an issue. Let's see if you can pull it off.

which stat ? yes my wl is negative whole time.

[SplashDown]

Titannium, on 04 October 2015 - 04:53 AM, said:

balance, they say....

LOOOOOOOOOOL you sir are awesome....you should post this in every thread where the IS carebears complain about clans being OP =)