20 replies to this topic

[xVLFBERHxT]

The Executioner of Vlad Ward. Any ideas/ builds? 2 Gauss i think .

I would like to try it out

[Khobai]

bad build. even if you strip all the armor off one arm all you can fit is 2 gauss and like 4 tons of ammo.

youre way better off with 1 gauss and a bunch of lasers

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Khobai, on 11 October 2015 - 05:12 AM, said:

bad build. even if you strip all the armor off one arm all you can fit is 2 gauss and like 4 tons of ammo.

youre way better off with 1 gauss and a bunch of lasers

Lore builds are ALWAYS going to be considered "Bad" by the playerbase.

Hell, when players in MWO call the Timby Prime's stock loadout bad... well, I think you can figure out where I'm coming from here [that mech is far from bad, it's generalist sure, but it's not bad, and in fact, can rack up quite the kill count.]

According to Sarna.net... Vlad Wards's Exe ran with a dual gauss setup, yes. Using a EXE-A and replacing the Left Arm with that of the -B variant, I'm able to run dual gauss.

The problem is, as the prior poster said, Ammo count. Without lowering armor values, [max armor everywhere.] I only have enough weight for 1 ton of ammo.

That's not nearly enough to get anywhere between two gauss rifles. Now, if you could remove the 4 jump jet's in the legs, that would free up 8 tons, for a total of 9 tons of ammo, or even 7 tons and a couple of CMLAS for backup... but there's just not enough weight.

The two gauss alone weigh in at 24 tons... and it just eats up all your tonnage with the MASC system and Jump Jets eating up the rest.

I'm all for lore based builds man, but this one, sadly... unless we get a custom hero variant... I don't see it working out.

[xVLFBERHxT]

Thank you Flash Frame.

[Vxheous]

Vlad Ward's executioner probably did not have MASC in it because there is no way to fit the weapons that Vlad had in that config with MASC on board. I quote directly from Battletech: Blood Legacy below:

"Adrenaline jolted through his system as he saw movement on his battle display. The Executioner appeared in his aft arc. Phelan cursed the loss of his secondary monitor and shunted a data feed to his auxiliary monitor. Immediately, the computer filled it with an information scan of the OmniMech. He saw that each arm mounted a Gauss rifle and each side of the torso was arrayed with one large laser and two medium lasers."

That is 36 Tons of weapons alone, not including ammo.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 11 October 2015 - 05:48 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 11 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Vlad Ward's executioner probably did not have MASC in it because there is no way to fit the weapons that Vlad had in that config with MASC on board. I quote directly from Battletech: Blood Legacy below:

"Adrenaline jolted through his system as he saw movement on his battle display. The Executioner appeared in his aft arc. Phelan cursed the loss of his secondary monitor and shunted a data feed to his auxiliary monitor. Immediately, the computer filled it with an information scan of the OmniMech. He saw that each arm mounted a Gauss rifle and each side of the torso was arrayed with one large laser and two medium lasers."

That is 36 Tons of weapons alone, not including ammo.

A great quote, and a good look at the loadout.

Exactly, I agree, Vlad's exe doesn't use MASC, and likely skimps on jet's too. if he uses any at all, he'd need the tonnage and space for ammo and heatsinks with a loadout like that.

[Adette]

Now that I look at it again, Vlad's executioner is Meta build...almost like a Meta Dire Wolf with those dual gauss. 2 large laser 4 med laser....

Lore based Meta Build!

Edited by Adette Vickers, 11 October 2015 - 06:21 AM.

[TELEFORCE]

Although the Master Unit List officially lists Vlad Ward's personal 'mech as an Executioner, I think that's a mistake. Omnimechs don't have their fixed equipment modified like that in lore in most cases, especially for characters.

I think Vlad Ward's "Executioner" is really a custom configuration for a Dire Wolf. That makes sense because the Dire Wolf is more of a Clan Wolf 'mech than an Executioner, so you have Clan Wolf pride right there. Also, the Dire Wolf has the pod space to carry that configuration. I've run this configuration in several matches and it is really a beast.

[Nikki Kerensky]

Vlad mostly piloted a Timber Wolf, btw. He just hopped into that odd Executioner model for Phelan's Trial of Position (and the design was probably just pure author invention without much thinking into it's "rules legality").

[Kira Onime]

Flash Frame, on 11 October 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

Hell, when players in MWO call the Timby Prime's stock loadout bad.

• 2x ER Large Lasers
  
• 2x ER Medium Lasers
  
• 1x Medium Pulse Laser
  
• 2x LRM-20s
  
• 2x Machine Guns

Not exactly what I call a good build.

[Strum Wealh]

Khobai, on 11 October 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

Is there any evidence it had jumpjets? Most likely he took the jumpjets out.

The MASC is hardwired so you cant take it out.

I know any omnipod can have jumpjets added to it. And im pretty sure clan mechs could remove jumpjets as long as they weren't "fixed" jumpjets. And I think only the S-omnipods had fixed jumpjets.

Another possibility is a custom smaller engine.

The four Jump Jets on the Gladiator (the ones filling the 'Mech's legs) are fixed equipment, just like the MASC unit; Vlad (who did not even have a Bloodname at the time, and thus would have had little real clout within the Clan) would not have been able to remove them.

----------

TELEFORCE, on 11 October 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Although the Master Unit List officially lists Vlad Ward's personal 'mech as an Executioner, I think that's a mistake. Omnimechs don't have their fixed equipment modified like that in lore in most cases, especially for characters.

I think Vlad Ward's "Executioner" is really a custom configuration for a Dire Wolf. That makes sense because the Dire Wolf is more of a Clan Wolf 'mech than an Executioner, so you have Clan Wolf pride right there. Also, the Dire Wolf has the pod space to carry that configuration. I've run this configuration in several matches and it is really a beast.

"Executioner" is the designation given by the computer in Phelan's Daishi (which was named "Lone Wolf"), and the evidence from the rest of that chapter indicated that said computer makes those designations by chassis type rather than personal 'Mech names (which it would have no way of knowing for the opposing 'Mechs).

• "'Phelan, remember that we have some advantages. They don't know about the configurations of our 'Mechs, but we're running assault 'Mechs that'll outmass any one of them. They're running nonstandard heavies, so we can't be sure what we're up against.'" - Natasha to Phelan, before the trial
  
• "Phelan worked around to the left, splitting off from Natasha to engage his own testers. Clearing the low hill, he saw one of his targets standing over the damaged 'Mech while the other headed straight toward Phelan's low hill. The computer identified that OmniMech as a Warhawk."
  
• "Phelan now looked for the 'Mech his computer had named 'Executioner'. He couldn't find it on his screen nor could he see it through his viewport. He immediately knew Vlad was its pilot."

We know that both Phelan and Natasha were piloting Daishis, and that each of their individual 'Mechs outweighed any individual 'Mech used by the testers (including Vlad's 'Mech), so Vlad's 'Mech could not have also been a Daishi.

----------

EDIT: I came across a picture of a modded miniature that someone else made to resemble Phelan's "Lone Wolf" on CamoSpecs.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 11 October 2015 - 10:02 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Flash Frame, on 11 October 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

Lore builds are ALWAYS going to be considered "Bad" by the playerbase.

Actually the Executioner that Phelan Kell uses in Grave Covenant (A variant I think) would be great in MWO if ghost heat wasn't a thing.

[Mcgral18]

Custom Glad turned into a Battlemech, removing the up to 19 tons of Hardwired Equipment.

4 MASC
8 JJs
7 Heatsinks

It's now got room.


Lore friendly? Probably not, but follows optional construction rules.

[Deathlike]

It's still amazing even by lore standards that they break their own "rules".

Besides, there's always going to be a "meta hero" relative to lore AND this game.

[xVLFBERHxT]

For lore related players like me lore builds give the game lots of "new" contend. I tried a dual gaus (in the arms)\ dual ER med laser exe. As close as possible for me ;-).

[Ultimax]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 11 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Vlad Ward's executioner probably did not have MASC in it because there is no way to fit the weapons that Vlad had in that config with MASC on board. I quote directly from Battletech: Blood Legacy below:

"Adrenaline jolted through his system as he saw movement on his battle display. The Executioner appeared in his aft arc. Phelan cursed the loss of his secondary monitor and shunted a data feed to his auxiliary monitor. Immediately, the computer filled it with an information scan of the OmniMech. He saw that each arm mounted a Gauss rifle and each side of the torso was arrayed with one large laser and two medium lasers."

That is 36 Tons of weapons alone, not including ammo.

That build is so meta!


Seriously though, can we have those side torsos please?

SIX energy total!

[Ultimax]

Kira Onime, on 11 October 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

• 2x ER Large Lasers
  
• 2x ER Medium Lasers
  
• 1x Medium Pulse Laser
  
• 2x LRM-20s
  
• 2x Machine Guns

Not exactly what I call a good build.

When I see these stock builds I have to wonder, why 1 Medium Pulse?

Why not a third CERMLAS? Why not 4? Or why not just 2x Medium Pulse?


The funny part is that one, dumb, Medium pulse laser has given us one ofthe most frequently used LTs.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 11 October 2015 - 12:47 PM.

[Kira Onime]

Ultimatum X, on 11 October 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

The funny part is that one, dumb, Medium pulse laser has given us one ofthe most frequently used LTs.

Somewhat ironic indeed.

[Vlad Ward]

You rang?

[Deathlike]

Ultimatum X, on 11 October 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

The funny part is that one, dumb, Medium pulse laser has given us one ofthe most frequently used LTs.

Ironically, the fact that this isn't quirked around those details is what makes it a no-brainer.