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[MechWarrior5152251]

Of course. They sell C-Bills for real world money, they will make it as difficult as possible to get C-Bills, probably at the cost of a drastically reduced player base....

Like all free to play games they do not understand that the cheap players ARE the content that the Whales want to see...

[Augustus Martelus II]

lol really?

They wanna reduce damage.... huh.

[Davers]

WarHippy, on 15 October 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Every time someone says this I can't help but shake my head in disgust at the stupidity of it. Do you not get that there is often more going on in game than standing in place targeting one mech at a time and focusing it down? There are many scenarios where you may not be shooting the mech that you have targeted and I am having a real hard time seeing the justification for arbitrarily punishing people for doing that.

You know for a fact that shooting at an unlocked mech will cause you to do less damage, so it is neither a "punishment" nor "arbitrary".

[El Bandito]

Darian DelFord, on 15 October 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

Any plans on upping C-Bills since you are attempting to nerf the damage in the wrong manner?

Are you kidding me? I'm gonna swim in C-Bills since ECM does not cockblock LRMs anymore. LRM60 AWS-8R, let's go!

[3xnihilo]

If you are not locking your targets, how do you know which component to aim for? I thought the point with short range lights was to make quick strikes on injured targets to take them out, or park yourself directly behind any lonely enemy assault/missile boat you find. Both cases get you back to full damage. But honestly, I bet if the lock mechanic even makes it through this test it will be removed or the penalty will be greatly reduced for sl/spl. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for them as those are not the weapons being used to instagib everyone from half way across the map.

[Queek Head Taker]

Darian DelFord, on 15 October 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

Yeah easeier said then done when you are going 152 KPH, firing, Maneuvering, Jumping and looking for a way out. Locking targets is not high on the priority list as a light as you are trying to maneuver. And you do not have time to hit R for every damn mech you want to fire at.

guess you suck at piloting light mechs, Maybe you should pilot something slower so the R button isn't so hard to hit. People who can't press R are the problem with this game.

[Kira Onime]

3xnihilo, on 15 October 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

If you are not locking your targets, how do you know which component to aim for?

General game knowledge.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

Darian DelFord, on 15 October 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

Any plans on upping C-Bills since you are attempting to nerf the damage in the wrong manner?

Stop trying to snipe from 1000m away. press R. Do full damage. Win.

[Darian DelFord]

El Bandito, on 15 October 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

Are you kidding me? I'm gonna swim in C-Bills since ECM does not cockblock LRMs anymore. LRM60 AWS-8R, let's go!

Yeah I think my Hell Slinger and catapult will be making a resurgence :>

3xnihilo, on 15 October 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

If you are not locking your targets, how do you know which component to aim for? I thought the point with short range lights was to make quick strikes on injured targets to take them out, or park yourself directly behind any lonely enemy assault/missile boat you find. Both cases get you back to full damage. But honestly, I bet if the lock mechanic even makes it through this test it will be removed or the penalty will be greatly reduced for sl/spl. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for them as those are not the weapons being used to instagib everyone from half way across the map.

When you are doing the maneuvering you are required to do as a light mech you do target lock is an after thought. YOu can tell what components are open due to visual cues, mainly smoke. Besides in order to get the read out of an enemy mech the paper doll has to pop up, that takes to much time, not hanging around for it. I currently pilot a Jenner D 4 SPL's with 2 SRM 4's. I have noticed a drastic decrease in my Damage as well as my C-Bills.

Queek Head Taker, on 15 October 2015 - 06:48 PM, said:

guess you suck at piloting light mechs, Maybe you should pilot something slower so the R button isn't so hard to hit. People who can't press R are the problem with this game.

Not as much as you do at posting apparently :> And people who do not understand the delicate balance of the chassis are an even bigger problem for this game. I understand that is where you stand

Kira Onime, on 15 October 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

General game knowledge.

exactly, most dedicated light pilots memorized the hard points a long time ago as many other veterans has.

Illya Arkhipova, on 15 October 2015 - 06:58 PM, said:

Stop trying to snipe from 1000m away. press R. Do full damage. Win.

Impossible since i pilot a Jenner D with 4 SPL's and 2 SRM 4's. I am usually 120 or less away :>

[Kira Onime]

Darian DelFord, on 16 October 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

exactly, most dedicated light pilots memorized the hard points a long time ago as many other veterans has.

Well yeah, pretty much any top player should be able to tell you some weak points on mechs and as time goes by, you'll be able to tell an XL mech from a standard one just by looking at the loadout.

[Bishop Steiner]

Darian DelFord, on 16 October 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

Yeah I think my Hell Slinger and catapult will be making a resurgence :>




When you are doing the maneuvering you are required to do as a light mech you do target lock is an after thought. YOu can tell what components are open due to visual cues, mainly smoke. Besides in order to get the read out of an enemy mech the paper doll has to pop up, that takes to much time, not hanging around for it. I currently pilot a Jenner D 4 SPL's with 2 SRM 4's. I have noticed a drastic decrease in my Damage as well as my C-Bills.





Not as much as you do at posting apparently :> And people who do not understand the delicate balance of the chassis are an even bigger problem for this game. I understand that is where you stand




exactly, most dedicated light pilots memorized the hard points a long time ago as many other veterans has.



Impossible since i pilot a Jenner D with 4 SPL's and 2 SRM 4's. I am usually 120 or less away :>

then press R, and win? *shrug*

[Speedy Plysitkos]

The income from match will be same, but matches will be longer, ie, you have to work longer for that Cbills. if you re-count it for 1 minute/cbills income then yes, it will be lower then current.

[1Grimbane]

lasers already take their sweet a** time in terms of duration, i'm not saying we need lasers finishing in a millisecond but especially clan lasers are way to long already (most of my mechs are IS) but my clan mechs need love too

[MrJeffers]

Wintersdark, on 15 October 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

Reducing damage done by weapons doesn't reduce the amount of damage required to kill someone. You'll earn the same amount of cbills, if not more (fewer people will get punched down quickly at range).

The first part of that is true, but the second part isn't necessarily correct. The average amount of damage to kill isn't going to change, but the people using lasers are going to be doing less of this damage compared to other weapons that don't share this new mechanic - ballistics, missiles, and PPCs. These other weapons are going to have a higher effective DPS relative to lasers today and the damage the lasers are no longer doing from the reductions will shift to these other weapons. C-Bill nerf to laser builds, C-Bill buff to the others. Numbers remain about the same overall, just a shift in who gets them.

Edited by MrJeffers, 16 October 2015 - 07:14 AM.

[3xnihilo]

Darian DelFord, on 16 October 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

Yeah I think my Hell Slinger and catapult will be making a resurgence :>




When you are doing the maneuvering you are required to do as a light mech you do target lock is an after thought. YOu can tell what components are open due to visual cues, mainly smoke. Besides in order to get the read out of an enemy mech the paper doll has to pop up, that takes to much time, not hanging around for it. I currently pilot a Jenner D 4 SPL's with 2 SRM 4's. I have noticed a drastic decrease in my Damage as well as my C-Bills.





Not as much as you do at posting apparently :> And people who do not understand the delicate balance of the chassis are an even bigger problem for this game. I understand that is where you stand




exactly, most dedicated light pilots memorized the hard points a long time ago as many other veterans has.



Impossible since i pilot a Jenner D with 4 SPL's and 2 SRM 4's. I am usually 120 or less away :>

I will concede you this, An spl Jenner is probably much more difficult to get into position than my spl locusts and thus your experience wih spl's varies from mine. Also, the lock mechanic is unnecessary for spl/sl lasers because it seems the point is to reduce the range of combat. As these lasers are already extremely short range they do not need a range reduction. But, I am not disappointed that there are measures being tested to reduce the average range of combat in the game. I like spl and mpl builds so I spend most of my time at <200m if I can get there. Plus, if there is more incentive for pressing R maybe more people will do it. If our team mates have locks then maybe we won't have to make those "blind" strafing runs as often.

[WarHippy]

Davers, on 15 October 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

You know for a fact that shooting at an unlocked mech will cause you to do less damage, so it is neither a "punishment" nor "arbitrary".

Well I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but given that they are in fact testing random numbers and changing mechanics that have been in place for a long time and don't need to be changed I would call that punishing and arbitrary.

[Rizzelbizzeg]

Darian DelFord, on 16 October 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

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exactly, most dedicated light pilots memorized the hard points a long time ago as many other veterans has.
<snip>

Ummm don't you have to have a lock to see the loadout or which variant it is to know the hardpoints for? You can tell each kintaro apart from behind?

Edited by Rizzelbizzeg, 16 October 2015 - 07:29 AM.

[Kira Onime]

Rizzelbizzeg, on 16 October 2015 - 07:27 AM, said:

Ummm don't you have to have a lock to see the loadout or which variant it is to know the hardpoints for? You can tell each kintaro apart from behind?

Most kintaros have their hardpoints 50/50 on both sides of the mech.
Probably running an XL as well so just hit a side torso or center torso.

[1Grimbane]

Give it another year and c-bills will be turned to peso's and we can all be poor

[Bilbo]

1Grimbane, on 16 October 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

Give it another year and c-bills will be turned to peso's and we can all be poor

That depends entirely on how many pesos you already have.