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[Bishop Steiner]

0bsidion, on 16 October 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

I love using those in megamek, particularly the 3x gauss, 1 er ppc version. It can pretty much demolish anything lighter than a heavy in one round, and heavy+ with a few lucky rolls

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 October 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Damn, OK, that thing makes the triple gauss Annihilator look like a punk. Too bad it's about 30 years out of the timeline of my current campaign. And yeah, I know, I can click off the little check box that says Year appropriate mechs & tech only, but I don't like cheating, even if it is just against the bot.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 October 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

and even then, your basic 3050 tech TimberWolf was better than any IS heavy with I-JJs, H-Armor, etc.

Never really bothered with H-armor, cuts too much into payload. And comparing ANYTHING Inner Sphere to a Timber Wolf and expecting the Inner Sphere to come out on top is silly. It isn't a useful comparison. It's like saying longbows are bad weapons because they get obsoleted by firearms.

Bishop Steiner, on 16 October 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Still better off just building a conventional heavy mech with RACs or the like, and leave pretending to be a Spider to...well, Spiders.

Except getting that heavy to jump like a spider also lets it bring the survivability of a heavy into the role, with larger weapons payload. If you are balancing by BV it should be fine. The lower firepower vs other heavies is accounted for in BV, but in tonnage balancing, yeah, it would suck.

Hell, a movement 4/6/6 heavy with endo steel, max practical armor, and an LFE still has 23 tons and up to 20 crits for weapons and heat sinks (and 1 sink can still be tucked into the engine). That's plenty enough to rival any IS mech that moves 5/8/5 with an XL.

[Bishop Steiner]

Escef, on 16 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Never really bothered with H-armor, cuts too much into payload. And comparing ANYTHING Inner Sphere to a Timber Wolf and expecting the Inner Sphere to come out on top is silly. It isn't a useful comparison. It's like saying longbows are bad weapons because they get obsoleted by firearms.



Except getting that heavy to jump like a spider also lets it bring the survivability of a heavy into the role, with larger weapons payload. If you are balancing by BV it should be fine. The lower firepower vs other heavies is accounted for in BV, but in tonnage balancing, yeah, it would suck.

Hell, a movement 4/6/6 heavy with endo steel, max practical armor, and an LFE still has 23 tons and up to 20 crits for weapons and heat sinks (and 1 sink can still be tucked into the engine). That's plenty enough to rival any IS mech that moves 5/8/5 with an XL.

except BV was utter crap, the more advanced tech you used, the crappier it got.

And point is..... 3145 is 100 years later.... and the Timby Is still better....heck it's better than most if not all of the clan designs that came out since.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 October 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

except BV was utter crap, the more advanced tech you used, the crappier it got.

Better than tonnage or c-bill balancing. A flawed tool is better than no tool. I'd rather cut wood with a dull saw than my teeth.

Bishop Steiner, on 16 October 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

And point is..... 3145 is 100 years later.... and the Timby Is still better....heck it's better than most if not all of the clan designs that came out since.

Ok. I don't see how that's relevant to the idea of IJJs. I'm not disputing the min/max goodness of the Timby. I'm just saying that comparing Inner Sphere tech of the 3060 to 3080 era to the Timby is not useful.

[Bishop Steiner]

Escef, on 16 October 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

Better than tonnage or c-bill balancing. A flawed tool is better than no tool. I'd rather cut wood with a dull saw than my teeth.



Ok. I don't see how that's relevant to the idea of IJJs. I'm not disputing the min/max goodness of the Timby. I'm just saying that comparing Inner Sphere tech of the 3060 to 3080 era to the Timby is not useful.

just pointing out that 90% of the "new stuff" added nothing useful. Even your I-JJs are very niche in application.

[Lootee]

The only remotely fun thing I've seen from "new stuff" is the iNarc Nemesis pods. The rest is meh.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lootee, on 16 October 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

The only remotely fun thing I've seen from "new stuff" is the iNarc Nemesis pods. The rest is meh.

yeah...am curious about the Radical Heatsink System, but don't have a TT or MegaMek group, atm. http://www.sarna.net...eat_Sink_System

[TheSilken]

Null Sig just disrupts targeting and radar not visual appearance. Nah you want the Void Signature System which makes you both cloaked (invisible) and nearly impossible to detect.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheSilken, on 16 October 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

Null Sig just disrupts targeting and radar not visual appearance. Nah you want the Void Signature System which makes you both cloaked (invisible) and nearly impossible to detect.

Null Sig is generally linked with CLPS though. Which does the mimetic part.

On a slow moving mech, the Void Sig is preferable, but on a fast mover, like my Hussar II, you want the Null and the CLPS.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 October 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

just pointing out that 90% of the "new stuff" added nothing useful. Even your I-JJs are very niche in application.

Well, yeah, if you compare it to the most min/maxed thing the game has ever seen. MMLs are really nice, Precision AC rounds, LACs, RACs, LPPCs, Plasma weapons... There's a bunch of interesting stuff out there. But, no, none of it compares to the Clan LPL, ERPPC, ERLL, and LRMs. And that's part of why I don't play clan very often in TT, it kinda' feels like cheating.