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[SirNotlag]

Brandarr Gunnarson, on 04 November 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

Surprised they kept the targeting-to-optimal-range mechanic at all after all the backlash.

It's still illogical and often penalizes people unfairly for using what should be a straightforward, direct fire weapon.

There are many other ways to balance lasers (proper and normalized ratios for heat/range/damage/duration!) without linking them to a nonsensical mechanic.

lol I love arguing logic in sci-fi universes. and I don't remember there being much back lash at the end of PTS 2 the vote was pretty even for and against its only in the time between that the no vote has continued to grow.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

SirNotlag, on 05 November 2015 - 02:18 PM, said:

lol I love arguing logic in sci-fi universes. and I don't remember there being much back lash at the end of PTS 2 the vote was pretty even for and against its only in the time between that the no vote has continued to grow.

I believe you are mistaken. It was previously tied between "no" and the other two options combined.

[Reno Blade]

Overall it makes perfect sense for balance.

Fast and light mechs who rely on small and medium mechs have quicker target lock times, so the problem is not as severe as many make it seem.

The requirement to lock makes any mech that has very fast targeting a essential asset to any team (be it the medium strike team, or the long range sniper/lrm heavies), because the shared target can then be used for your own targeting and reduce your laser drop-off.

At the same time, it reduces:
- drive by laser alpha and twist/turn/run away playstyle
- peak around corners and alpha laser vomit

because you need longer to aquire lock, or need to get closer, or just deal less damage = be less effective

This also increase the importance of:
- teamplay (locks, communication and positioning)
- tactical awareness and movement
- multiple weapon builds (because you can initialize with Ballistics, then follow with laser and missiles once locked)
- ballistic and SRM builds more meaningfull for mid-range and quick drive-by playstyle

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Reno Blade, on 06 November 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

Overall it makes perfect sense for balance.

Fast and light mechs who rely on small and medium mechs have quicker target lock times, so the problem is not as severe as many make it seem.

The problem is that the targeting algorithm is not solid enough. It will target the wrong mech is a tense situation far to often. MY Nova is tuned up for a 0.3 second targeting delay, but still the algorithm screws me out of damage all the time. It's actually fun to play the PTS with 4v4, but as soon is it's ramped back up to 12v12? no way; algorithm cannot handle.

Reno Blade, on 06 November 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

At the same time, it reduces:
- drive by laser alpha and twist/turn/run away playstyle
- peak around corners and alpha laser vomit

because you need longer to aquire lock, or need to get closer, or just deal less damage = be less effective

Drive by laser alphas and twisting should CONTINUE for small lasers, that's what they are designed for, it's not unfair, nor is it unbalanced.

Edited by Jack Shayu Walker, 06 November 2015 - 08:17 AM.

[Ultimax]

People also need to understand that not only are lasers getting this bad mechanic, some mechs will be made harder to target and other mechs are having their sensors and lock ons nerfed I to the ground.

There are way too many variables and I think this particular laser nerf will just remove them from play much as PPCs disappeared.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 06 November 2015 - 04:58 PM.

[M T]

Obviously a clear no.

[Kira Onime]

SYSTEM HAS BEEN CANNED.

[CainenEX]

Kira Onime, on 06 November 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

SYSTEM HAS BEEN CANNED.

Any confirmation from the Devs, mon ami?

[Kira Onime]

CainenEX, on 06 November 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

Any confirmation from the Devs, mon ami?

YOU ASK, I DELIVER
http://mwomercs.com/...as-been-canned/

[Brandarr Gunnarson]

Glad it's cancelled.

BTW, @SirNotlag:

Just because something is fictional doesn't mean that logic can't apply! Ruleset, even those that don't follow physics can still be logical and should be!