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[PholkLorr]

Weak, illogical players destroy their own game. Not the meta.

I would use harsher, simpler and more accurate terms to describe this group of players but i'm not sure if those are against the terms. Ever since i started playing this game, i have seen the same weak, self entitled players whining about how other people are better than them. I thought i'll post a riposte to their whining.

Every one of us have the same options to play whatever you think is the best. Why some people deliberately choose to play a bad build or playstyle and then whine that it is bad is beyond me.

It's like in World of warcraft, knowing that a build is bad and deliberately choosing that build. Or knowing that a 200 dps weapon is inferior to a 400 dps weapon and picking the 200 dps weapon because it's shinier. Or in real life, you need to destroy a wall and were given the option of choosing a sledgehammer or a penknife and choosing the penknife, then whining that the penknife isn't getting the job done as well as your friend who took the sledgehammer.

As to the comment from low skilled players saying that "meta tryhards" are not having fun, i have this to say:

Fun is subjective. Playing sub optimal builds is fun to you. Not so to me. I like playing optimal builds. I like steamrolling my enemies. And so far, i'm having a lot of fun doing just that.

Besides, if you're having so much fun using crappy builds, why are you crying and whining on the forums about how "meta tryhards" are steamrolling you? Or are you afraid that if you actually played the "meta" AND still played crappily, you wouldn't have an excuse to protect your already bruised ego? Your ego would be utterly destroyed beyond recognition.

When you say that you hate meta and that the current meta is destroying the game, what you're essentially saying is not so much that you hate meta. It's more of: I don't like the CURRENT meta and i want MY BUILD (which happens to be bad currently) to be the meta.

Guess what? If YOUR BUILD and playstyle became the new meta, I would take that build and steamroll you with it anyway.

The meta changes constantly. When it was poptarting, i used poptart builds and weapons and steamrolled with it. Now it's even easier, laser vomit. So i use laser vomit and steamroll with it. The meta changes and you must change along with it or be food for the steamrollers. This is the way of life.

Besides, even if you used the meta, you'll probably still be food. Given the same build/mech, some players are just flat out better than others. Given the same weapons, some soldiers are marksmen and some are cannon fodder. Given equal opportunities and equal tools, some people get farther ahead in life than others.

These are the hard truths of life.

[Xetelian]

PholkLorr, on 29 October 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

Weak, illogical players destroy their own game. Not the meta.

Guess what? If YOUR BUILD and playstyle became the new meta, I would take that build and steamroll you with it anyway.

These are the hard truths of life.

Maybe I'm in a funny mood but that is the most hysterical wall of text I've read in a while.

Thank you, sir. I'll have another.

[LastKhan]

Always a battle in any game. Plebs vs Casuals vs "Meta".

[PholkLorr]

PholkLorr, on 29 October 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

Weak, illogical players destroy their own game.

You know, there could be a double meaning to this line

[Kristian Radoulov]

Pretty much sums it up.

[Revis Volek]

Stagnation very often leads to death actually....

Change, Evolove, Adapt or die.

Stock Loadouts from the 80s sounds like a great time .....What other games are these people playing that they use the same character and same weapons on the same sprite since the game started. If any other franchise did that people would burn them at the stake for being morons and recycling the damn product. lol

Edited by DarthRevis, 29 October 2015 - 10:07 PM.

[PurpleNinja]

No TL;DR section, shame.

TL;DR BTW.

[SkippyT72]

Wow, someone else put's the truth out there just like a "Participation" trophy, the kids that win all season and the kids that get beat all season both getting the same thing. Where is the incentive for the kids to work hard and get better so they are not losers, the PC crap needs to stop and kids need to learn that to compete they have to actually "WORK" at it, not just have things handed to them even if they are terrible at it the first time they try it.

[Mister Blastman]

PholkLorr, on 29 October 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

Weak, illogical players destroy their own game. Not the meta.

Well put.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

I never really minded the meta, been around since beta. Back then I mostly used a Hunchback 4p, ran through hails of lrms during the LRM buffs, survived the introduction of ECM, and walked right on through the Poptart meta. Now suddenly lasers are apparently the meta, but my Hunchback still feels just like it always did.

For me fun is seeing just how much damage I can put out and how quickly I can take down other mechs. I don't care if I'm really the best or not or if its cookie cutter or not, I just love firepower. Dakkawolves I enjoy for their flat out raw DPS and survivablity so I can keep pumping it out. Lasers tend to be nice for reliable damage and good survivablity on quicker mechs that can fire some shots then reposition.

I also find fun in knowing I was of some use to the team I was on. If I lead a charge, die quickly, put a little damage on the enemies, but manage to get a group of scared PUGs to YOLO it right into the enemy team for a crushing victory, then I'm a happy man. Same goes for AMS+ecm Kit Foxes, where I can protect the entire team, while also putting out a reasonable amount of damage. Even LRMs, while not as accurate tend to make up for it in sheer damage and suppression when used properly, taking away the chance for enemy heavy damage dealers to pump out their DPS unhindered.

Stock loadouts to me haven't ever really been interesting to me, I'd rather optomize something and make it my own rather than what I'd consider to be "cookie cutter" standard. I mean, I never quite understood how using a custom build would ever be more cookie cutter than using the stock build itself.

Even worse tend to be loadouts that are flat out bad. I mean if I run a loadout then find it doesn't do too great I'll try changing it to something that runs a little better. After the time I've spent playing I've found some nice builds and those tend to be the ones with 1000 damage games while other ones tend to rarely get a kill. I'm just saying, I wouldn't go bringing PPCs, especially non-ERs, on a brawler.

I honestly don't know or understand what is all that "fun" people who complain about meta say it is they aren't able to have because of meta builds being a thing. Really I'm asking the question, what is fun about it, I wish to know. I hope I'm not sounding sarcastic or making it seem rhetorical.

[Thuriel]

At least it's fun right?








Right?

[Alan Davion]

SkippyT72, on 29 October 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

Wow, someone else put's the truth out there just like a "Participation" trophy, the kids that win all season and the kids that get beat all season both getting the same thing. Where is the incentive for the kids to work hard and get better so they are not losers, the PC crap needs to stop and kids need to learn that to compete they have to actually "WORK" at it, not just have things handed to them even if they are terrible at it the first time they try it.

Only thing I can say is blame the parents. Spare the rod and spoil the child anyone?

This sort of thing reminds me of a paper I wrote back during my first year of college, where I was talking about American and Japanese animation back in the 80s.

If a Japanese animated show came to the US, it had to be heavily censored and/or edited to avoid offending the parents, particularly the mothers, and some shows couldn't be brought over at all due to the content of said series... Anyone ever hear of the anime "Space Runaway Ideon" ? I kid you not, literally every character, named or otherwise, dies throughout the course of that show... Many of them in extremely graphic ways.

Things do need to be more difficult, but not so difficult so as to completely discourage someone, and the current level of encouragement both in and out of the game is pathetically low.

[Spleenslitta]

Bwahahaha...i use mixed loadouts capable of striking at all ranges. Fact is that i use light mech tactics that allows me to take advantage of the current meta.
There are only 2 types of meta builds i have problems dealing with though.
1: Fast streak boats.
2: Fast lights with loooads of short range lasers.

But both of them are harmless at long range while i can adapt to anything.
If it's a slow mech doing 65 Kph or slower the rest of it's build simply does not matter.

Do i fail sometimes? Of course i do. If i ever claimed to be flawless then i'd be in a straightjacket right now.
I often get too greedy and die for it for example. But that's my fault not my mech.

[Curccu]

Gryphus 1, on 29 October 2015 - 10:23 PM, said:

At least it's fun right?








Right?

Yes. Specially when some meta w**** shoot your face off... it's fun right? RIGHT?

[El Bandito]

I'll take the current meta over the 2013 poptart meta any given day. Boy it sucked so much back then, when it was "Highlanders/3Ds/Victors or GTFO". It coincided with the development freeze of MWO, which had resulted in a huge player drop. So yeah, not all metas are bad but some are seriously detrimental to the game's health itself.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 October 2015 - 11:04 PM.

[ibex230]

ITT: A grown man having a meltdown over a game

[cSand]

The real comedic gold on MWO is how all these guys suddenly find out they're Tier one now it's like

DON'T COME IN HERE AND GIVE LESS THAN 110%, MAN UP, LEARN BOUT LIFE YO

PARTICIPATION TROPHY NOTHIN WHAT THIS AIN'T NO GAME

THIS IS MWO
THIS MY HOUSE B**CH

BTW CHECK OUT MY TWITCH CHANNEL AND YOUTUBE FEED

[Spleenslitta]

cSand, on 29 October 2015 - 11:04 PM, said:

THIS AIN'T NO GAME

I'm so relieved i don't take this game too seriously.....well i sometimes do.
But i actually sincerely apologised to a meta player named pwnface in a thread where i insulted him quite badly.
So i think that makes up for those times when i take the game too seriously.

[Scar Glamour]

In OPs world people run a single build on all their mechs.

Sorry, but what you say is pretty dumb. I used to play MMORPGs and I used to be the guy who uses stuff for nostalgic purposes sacrifises the holy minmaxing in the process. Also I used to kick ass big time.

People complain about meta not because they want their builds to be the new meta, but because they want meta beatable, so they see more variety on the battlefield.

Edited by Winterburn, 29 October 2015 - 11:19 PM.

[Garandos]

Agree. Thats why we get pve. So the bad players can pew pew the ai all day long 😉 they still will complain but meh... Funny thing is, developers tendency to listen to that kind of players did cost a lot of games a lot of players. Because the entitled kids run off rather sooner than later anyway, while you turn off your hard core of customers by liatening to the baddys. So in the end you have nothing gained.