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[Wil Scarlet]

Got to thinking after reading some of the other threads here, it would be most interesting to see who you think would be the better in a fight?

Assimulation by the Borg brings all sorts of racies and species into the collective but what is the pace that it can be done? how quickly can it be implemented and then put into use across the galaxy?

The genetic mutation of the Zerg to take only the strongest portions of it's foes is amazing, but again, how fast can the Zerg mutate? can it match the speed and technology of the Borg? Do they need to? Last i checked who cares if you have shields when you have a zergling gnawing on your power converter...

[Adridos]

What exactly is "The Borg"? A cyborg? If yes, then Borg, if not, however, then Tyranids. They eat Zergs for lunch.

[SMDMadCow]

Adridos, on 03 December 2011 - 02:29 PM, said:

What exactly is "The Borg"? A cyborg? If yes, then Borg, if not, however, then Tyranids. They eat Zergs for lunch.

The Borg, from Star Trek.

[Adridos]

SMDMadCow, on 03 December 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

The Borg, from Star Trek.

Never watched it and never will, but they are like Zergs, so I vote for Tyranids.

[Schnuffs]

I vote Tyranids also. :3

[Oswin Aurelius]

No one is going to vote for the Zerg if people still know what the Tyranids are. Sorry, Starcraft, but the only people that like you anymore are Koreans.

[Ace Twain]

Borg on both counts. If they can't assimilate it (which is a frighteningly quick process, already able to assimilate others within seconds of "infection", couple hours at most to get a new "member" of the collective to a full fledged drone) they can just destroy it without even having to go toe to toe. As for adaptation, ya bio based attacks would "bypass" the Borg resistances (the adaptive energy field they have), but unless swarmed outright the Borg take this one.

[Colonel Bogey]

Wow how do you choose!! That is insane! If the Borg try to assimilate a Zerg I don't think it would work. They would only be able to destroy them. The Zerg in combat would be at an advantage cause the shields of the Borg would be ineffective against the slow moving organic based range weapons and the melee weapons such as talons, claws, teeth, etc. It also begs the question could either really assimilate the other. The Zerg can assimilate and build onto inorganic masses, where the Borg can assimilate organic material as well as adapt to technology...

[Adridos]

Oswin Aurelius, on 03 December 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Sorry, Starcraft, but the only people that like you anymore are Koreans.

And strategists like me. I would not fight for it, though. The thing that ruins it is the community and "originality". Everything is copy-pasted, from units to story and the community is a bunch of idiots thinking, that strategy is only about how fast you click.

[Alizabeth Aijou]

*takes a deep breath*

TYRANIDS!

The original zerg.
And, to be honest, the 'nids can adept way faster than the zerg.
Proof of concept: the Anphelion Project.

Edited by Alizabeth Aijou, 04 December 2011 - 02:49 PM.

[Colonel Bogey]

To tell you the truth I can't vote. I don't know enough sadly because neither are real. When both are real and studied by scientists, biologists, etc then my opinion and knowledge based on their facts would be the only way I could make a decision. There are too many factors. Would nano bots work on the Zerg? Can the Zerg infect assimilated Borg humanoids, and would this prevent the Borg's control to be complete or vise versa? Would the Borg be able to stop the very psychic connection between Zerg? If the Zerg infected the Borg mind, would they be able to tap into tactical information, and vise versa? There are so many variables.

Oh also when I say when both are real, I mean in the off chance that in this universe anything a human can think up has a possibility of existing. I mean really, the chance of something like the Borg and the Zerg is still probably really really small, however, probably still there.

Edited by Colonel Bogey, 04 December 2011 - 03:06 PM.

[Kodiak Jorgensson]

Borg all the way, all it will take is one nano virus and the zerg will add to there perfection... or destroy them

[benefedaykin]

There is no doubt in my mind that the Borg would wipe out the Zerg everytime. Here's why:

Assimilation:
-Zerg cannot assimilate Borg. Zerg tries to take over a Borg. Zerg cannot override Borg mechanical/electrical components or nanites. Borg maintain control of the resulting hybrid. Silly Zerg just assimilated themselves into the Borg
-Borg can assimilate Zerg. One quick nanite injection and its only a matter of time. It is possilble that the Zerg could resist Borg assimilation if their immune system can destroy the nanoprobes, but this is highly unlikely

Adaptation:
-Zerg rely on evolution which, while rapid in their case, still takes time. Individual Zerg can morph into different adult forms but they will eventually reach a point where they can no longer change. An acid spitting Zerg will always be an acid spitting Zerg.
-Individual units of the Borg collective can adapt almost instantly to nearly any situation. The Zerg may kill one or two but the Borg will adapt. Only highly advanced tech and random weapons modulations have proven a threat to the borg (even then there are limits to how well they fair over time). The Zerg lack tech of any sort and their "weapons" will always be limited to a biological/chemical medium.

Space travel:
-Zerg can use warp travel.
-Borg can use warp travel and can attack while moving at warp speed.

Collective:
-The Zerg can be controlled by a single entity (either Kerrigan or an Overmind or whatever). If the Zerg lose connection to this controlling body they essentially go berzerk and will attack and kill everything (even each other if no other prey exists).
-The Borg have the collective which can function similarly to the Zerg Overmind but can also share technical data and sensor readings, etc. Individual Borg separated from the collective can still function but tend to be more childlike (though they could also end up like Seven of Nine). Borg separated from the collective won't go around killing each other...

I could go on, but I don't think I need to...

Also Seven of Nine is hotter than Kerrigan... if this matters to any of you

[Wil Scarlet]

While the debate over which could transmutate/adapt faster is interesting, wouldn't there also be a psychic battle here? especially when the first zerg and first borg tried to assimilate the other?? one collective against the other? what if they are both equal in terms of mental strength? would they team up? would they automatically see each other as a threat? hmmmm i wonder

[Pave Low]

The Borg Queen has a higher intelligence than any 'awareness' or whatever that the Zerg may or may not have.
The Borg would ace this contest!!!!!

[Godzilla Enthusiast]

As much as it pains me it is obvious that this fight goes to the borg as star trek weapons and shields almost always outpace the tech of other sci-fi.

Btw plenty of non-koreans still care about starcraft.

[Adridos]

benefedaykin, on 04 December 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

There is no doubt in my mind that the Borg would wipe out the Zerg everytime. Here's why:

Assimilation:
-Zerg cannot assimilate Borg. Zerg tries to take over a Borg. Zerg cannot override Borg mechanical/electrical components or nanites. Borg maintain control of the resulting hybrid. Silly Zerg just assimilated themselves into the Borg
-Borg can assimilate Zerg. One quick nanite injection and its only a matter of time. It is possilble that the Zerg could resist Borg assimilation if their immune system can destroy the nanoprobes, but this is highly unlikely

Adaptation:
-Zerg rely on evolution which, while rapid in their case, still takes time. Individual Zerg can morph into different adult forms but they will eventually reach a point where they can no longer change. An acid spitting Zerg will always be an acid spitting Zerg.
-Individual units of the Borg collective can adapt almost instantly to nearly any situation. The Zerg may kill one or two but the Borg will adapt. Only highly advanced tech and random weapons modulations have proven a threat to the borg (even then there are limits to how well they fair over time). The Zerg lack tech of any sort and their "weapons" will always be limited to a biological/chemical medium.

Space travel:
-Zerg can use warp travel.
-Borg can use warp travel and can attack while moving at warp speed.

Collective:
-The Zerg can be controlled by a single entity (either Kerrigan or an Overmind or whatever). If the Zerg lose connection to this controlling body they essentially go berzerk and will attack and kill everything (even each other if no other prey exists).
-The Borg have the collective which can function similarly to the Zerg Overmind but can also share technical data and sensor readings, etc. Individual Borg separated from the collective can still function but tend to be more childlike (though they could also end up like Seven of Nine). Borg separated from the collective won't go around killing each other...

I could go on, but I don't think I need to...

Also Seven of Nine is hotter than Kerrigan... if this matters to any of you

... and then came the Tyranids.

Edited by Adridos, 05 December 2011 - 08:51 AM.

[Miles Tails Prower]

The Borg adapt to energy weaponry, I don't think they have a solution to the zerg which rely on all ogranic weaponry. If I recall the Borg were having a great deal of trouble(in the Voyager series) with that alien species of all organic tech. They had some kind of virus that infected and killed Borg, and their kind were not able to be assimilated. That was a real episode too.

[Alizabeth Aijou]

Adridos, on 05 December 2011 - 08:51 AM, said:

... and then came the Tyranids.

Tyranids.
Zerg rushing you before the zerg existed.

Also, the intellect of the tyranid hive is utterly frightening.
The first real hive fleet to invade carved a path straight to Macragge and would've ended up at Terra.
Both planets have a pretty good reason to visit, for the 'nids.
Macragge holds the remains of Roboute Guilliman.
While Terra holds the remains of the Emperor of Mankind.
The addition of either's DNA to the hive fleet would make subsequent generations far stronger than they already were.

Subsequent hive fleets were also aimed at going to Terra.

[Adridos]

Alizabeth Aijou, on 06 December 2011 - 03:22 AM, said:

Tyranids.
Zerg rushing you before the zerg existed.

Zergs are a copy of Tyranids.

But the Tyranids are scary, not cute as Zerg, they tear everything apart (paper, or titan, nothing stands against them), those quadriliards of them fought now are only scouts of the real swarm, Tyranids do not rush you, they overwhelm you, Zergs pee on the planet, but Tyranids eat every organic thing on them, even bacteries are consumed, they pick the worlds they invade (going around tomb worlds, where they do not get enough bio mass), etc.

Edited by Adridos, 06 December 2011 - 04:49 AM.