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[Valkyrie73]

So after a few days trial this is the fist thing in MWO that I strongly feel negative about. I like variety and randomness and hate being forced to play skirmish ALL the time - also people don't realize you earn more playing conquest on average, and it gives you another option besides running to the middle every single game.

Also for me wait times have actually increased.

If we get rid of voting and make there be no choice/options then MM would be at it's most optimal and wait times would be better. It would also have the added benefit of encouraging mixed builds (both heat and range) where as this system is encouraging people to build meta builds tailored for maps they know people will vote for i.e. gauss/ranged builds on tourmaline and lazor boats on cold maps.

If there were no options/choices and you get what you get then everyone is in the same boat and would be fairer. Less is more so to speak.

I know there are people out there that like the voting system but I still think that if options are removed then the game would be quicker, fairer and better overall.

Just my opinion

please be gentle

[Troutmonkey]

Russ has stated on twitter that voting is here to stay, but the number of maps voted on will be reduced to 3, which should reduce the chance of Frozen City appearing and being chosen over every other map

[STEF_]

Map and game mode+tonnage system is the most idiotic idea pgi had.

Yesterday night I dropped 3 times facing a 12 premade full of cheetos+stormcrow, and conquest all the time.

It's the democrazy, guys! Most unbalance matches ever!

Some can have fun, while the others 12 don't even can disco without penalities

[cSand]

Yea that 3 map thing will fix nothing. I called this before the patch went live and I nailed it

Crimson strait, or Canyon

Skirmish, or maybe assault

w/e map lets the tryhards 1 finger alpha all day.

Is MM any faster? no

Matches any better quality? no

Only difference is that now when you are unfortunate enough to get a tryhard group on the other team they also get to pick the map and mode, so they can 1 finger alpha their way to victory on their own terms


GGCLOSE

Edited by cSand, 05 November 2015 - 11:39 PM.

[1Grimbane]

Troutmonkey, on 05 November 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

Russ has stated on twitter that voting is here to stay, but the number of maps voted on will be reduced to 3, which should reduce the chance of Frozen City appearing and being chosen over every other map

what the heck ever happened to majority rules..... i'm sick and tired of the minority getting special attention, if most players want certain maps then go with it... but here apparently in pgi land the squeaky wheel gets the oil

[Aetes Nakatomi]

Because when you keep landing on Frozen City, Skirmish look at the votes. There are normally 1/3 clicking the other maps and modes. Likely as I was, desperate for something else... When I realised I couldn't win, I gave up and stopped playing.

Yes majority rules, but when the majority want something that I find boring I will go elsewhere, thus decreasing player population and increasing your wait times yet again as players shed from the game.

I do not think it is too much to ask when all I personally want is varied maps. I now detest Frozen City in pug queue it consists of sitting in B3/C3 waiting for the enemy. No tactics.

[1Grimbane]

i'll concede frozen needs an overhaul and play on it stagnates most times. however i hope in future map making ventures pgi takes into account the prefered style of map most players pick... and no there is no easy mode map (to all you whine-hards) only bad players making up bad teams, each map can be challenging with maybe (maybe) the exception of hpg, only because it's the only and unique in this way arena map we have, just like Cod or battlefield every map has it's favored choke points and favored defensive areas. temp has nothing to do with easy mode as i see people shutting down from heat on any ole map frozen or not. so again there are only easy pilots to kill on poorly coordinated teams not easy mode maps. to suggest that is incredibly elitist of you as if your skill should only be put to the test on "hard maps" so full of yourselves it's sickening

Edited by 1Grimbane, 06 November 2015 - 12:02 AM.

[STEF_]

1Grimbane, on 05 November 2015 - 11:43 PM, said:

what the heck ever happened to majority rules..... i'm sick and tired of the minority getting special attention, if most players want certain maps then go with it... but here apparently in pgi land the squeaky wheel gets the oil

This is a lie and you know it.
Every times Frozen Yogurth, and mostly with 35-45% of votes
This means the mayority do not want Frozen.

[Mazzyplz]

voting is completely asinine, the only way it would work is if you're given a choice of 4-5 maps and you can vote one of them out, the one you hate most.

then you'd get dropped in a random map from the pool of non-eliminated maps

[1Grimbane]

can we at least get back to being able to select gamemode in lobby then maybe vote on map OR I DON'T KNOW MAYBE A MAP SELECT FUNCTION that way you select what map you want JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MULTIPLAYER SHOOTER (with very few exceptions) that would end all these type of threads instantly... or would people complain that they have too many options

[Aetes Nakatomi]

Grim I've played with and against you before. Not suggesting you're a bad player, but you must admit people are not picking Frozen for its great varied tactical possibilities.

I would suggest it's more along the lines of;
It complements the moment current laser meta by decreasing the chances of overheat.
It is small meaning the match gets underway faster and in the same place thus increasing turnaround and C Bills per hour.
Players who have played longer have their settings so that the fog is not a problem while other players are blind and can be easily sealclubbed.

Just my two pennies.

[1Grimbane]

my whole original point wasn't to defend the frozen map... it was just that majority rules... that is all. i personally don't really like frozen or night version of it, my fav is either crimson strait or hpg, neither reason have to do with heat but map aesthetics. but yeah i'll concede that ambient temp is and will always be a factor is deciding what maps are "better or worse" in some players eyes

[Vellron2005]

Map voting would only work if we had 100+ maps.

Then, we would have variety enough to not get the same map 10+ times in a row (like I have yesterday).

This way, it just gets really boring really fast.

Heat management aside, I don't want to play THE SAME FRIGGIN MAP over and over, just cose' this "majority" likes it better than other maps..

Since we don't have lots of maps, we need to choose between ONLY TWO, and they need to be similar in heat management, available cover and play style... this would make it a little more tolerable.

As far as gamemodes go.. yes, we know conquest has 30% more average rewards... but do you know why most people hate it?

Because its mostly played EXACTLY like skirmish, but with the added ability to lose all your hard skirmishing work to a few light mechs on the other side of the map..

Same for assualt since turrets went byebye...

So let us pick the mode we wanna play, and ADD NEW MODES!

Edited by Vellron2005, 06 November 2015 - 12:30 AM.

[Aetes Nakatomi]

But the problem with majority rules is that if the minority never get what they want they leave. They stop spending and they leave until the problem has been resolved.

This is the same with the real world as here. The majority may want to tax the rich 60%. The trouble is the rich then move to a country that doesn't want to take that much.

Much the same here, I buy every pack at the moment, I buy them for my own personal enjoyment. I do not buy packs to keep the game running, I do not buy them for Russ, I do not buy them for you. If I find my fun is being taken away democratically or not I will obviously stop spending.

I do not expect that will happen, I assume others will become as sick as Frozen as me. The test will be the weekend when the population is higher. Perhaps the increased player pop will mix it up a bit more.

[cSand]

uh, majority doesn't rule here guys

Map 1 - 5 votes
Map 2 - 8 votes
Map 3 - 5 votes
Map 4 - 6 votes


Map 2 wins. Majority is "not that map"

[Aetes Nakatomi]

I must admit there is a part of me that wants to get a 12 man together, load up on Gauss and drop terra as often as possible. Just for revenge on the Laser boats that stripped out heatsinks since the voting started.

[El Bandito]

Stefka Kerensky, on 05 November 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

Map and game mode+tonnage system is the most idiotic idea pgi had.

Yesterday night I dropped 3 times facing a 12 premade full of cheetos+stormcrow, and conquest all the time.

cSand, on 05 November 2015 - 11:36 PM, said:

Only difference is that now when you are unfortunate enough to get a tryhard group on the other team they also get to pick the map and mode, so they can 1 finger alpha their way to victory on their own terms

Then tell PGI to remove it from Group Queue, where it is most abused. I am fine with the voting system in the Solo-Q.

Edited by El Bandito, 06 November 2015 - 12:52 AM.

[STEF_]

1Grimbane, on 06 November 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

my whole original point wasn't to defend the frozen map... it was just that majority rules... that is all.

ANd my original post wasn't meant to attack Frozen.
Instead Frozen is one of my fav, but I don0t want to drop there over and over and over.
For instance, I like chocolate...but I don't want to eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner!

Then, again, you can call "mayority rules" in a system where there are 51% of votes for a candidate. Which is not here.

[STEF_]

El Bandito, on 06 November 2015 - 12:51 AM, said:

Then tell PGI to remove it from Group Queue, where it is most abused. I am fine with the voting system in the Solo-Q.

Already done, both for tonnage system and vote system. Even before those patches come out, 'cause "I called it nad I nailed it"
I have a lot of free time to waste
I like to have the illusion pgi listens

[Aetes Nakatomi]

PGI will listen. They are a business and they do not want to lose customers, I have had my little foot stomping hissy fit as have many others.

My guess is they will try 3 maps then if that's a flop they will try 2. The game modes I'm not sure about.