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#1 ColourfulConfetti

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:18 PM

For somebody who is more educated on the lore than I am. Being that I never played the TT, I'm not too well versed on the lore, however, I know the FRR is pretty similair to the Vikings.
Davions similar to the English. Steiners are pretty German in influence. I think Liao is similar to the Chinese, and Kurtia are similar to the Japanese. That leaves Marik, I'm not too sure what they were based on. Could anybody enlighten me? Also, if I wanted to learn a bit more about the lore stuff, what would you recommend? If I posted this on the wrong part of the forums I apologize, I wasn't too sure where to put this.

Edited by PalmaRoma, 08 November 2015 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:32 PM

Marik seems to be a blending of the British Comonwealth around the time of Oliver Cromwell, and the factional politic's that happened during the Roman Republic.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:33 PM

Purple Bird Faction is like the USA and Canada. More Canada than USA.

It's a bunch of different people in a democracy.

http://www.sarna.net...e_Worlds_League

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:43 PM

damnit i read an awesome article on reddit in a random channel about the houses, it was a lore channel not actually related battletech. It was so much better than sarna short and clinical description but i can't find it. Ill try harder though and hopefully come back with it.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:48 PM

Yeah I agree on the Sarna thing, the descriptions are usually very short and just leave me with more questions than answers usually.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:52 PM

Yugoslavia

#7 VorpalAnvil

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:55 PM

Considering my experience fighting with and against them in CW I'm gonna guess France?

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:02 PM

View PostVorpalAnvil, on 08 November 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

Considering my experience fighting with and against them in CW I'm gonna guess France?

Oh you! lol

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:06 PM

I'm not well versed in BT lore, but I've always thought of Marik was similar to 'Merica... A conglomerate of lots of different cultures that sometimes fight among themselves and often scheme and stir up trouble behind the scenes.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:08 PM

View PostVorpalAnvil, on 08 November 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

Considering my experience fighting with and against them in CW I'm gonna guess France?


Actually Federated Suns is primarily a mixture of England and France....

#11 Levi Porphyrogenitus

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:12 PM

Marik is the post-Ottoman Balkans, the United States, and Eastern Europe post-USSR, in descending order of influence.

Edit:

Davion is post-Cold War UK/France with a bit of United States thrown in.

Steiner is Pre-WWI Germany with a hefty mercantilist bent.

Rassalhague is Scandinavia.

Liao is all the worst bits of the USSR and the PRC, with a smattering of ancient Imperial Chinese trappings on top.

Kurita is feudal Japan.

Naturally, certain areas within each realm have their own influences, for instance Marik has an American South West/Mexico area, and Kurita has an Arab sub-set. Steiner has an Irish area that is very secessionist.

Edited by Levi Porphyrogenitus, 08 November 2015 - 02:17 PM.


#12 MischiefSC

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:00 PM

Backwoods Kentucky. Think Hatfields and McCoys. Also wincest and a lot of alcohol.

#13 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:03 PM

It's an amalgamation of the Balkans, with little bits of everything mixed in for flavor, with heavy Greek, Cyrillic influence in some part, an enclave of Southwestern US in another, etc.

Like all Successor States, that's just a rough glossing of their "overarching" background, but their mutts with a touch of everything, just like every other Great House.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:17 PM

View PostSpheroid, on 08 November 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

Yugoslavia


Ya'know, the Yugoslav and Blakans comaparison that never really occurred to me until you pointed that out. i always just said France and USA combo with (even more) heavy infighting.
The FWL pretty much did Balkanize for a bit after the Jihad era, didn't it?

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:21 PM

Some of you guys really need to read some more BT lore. Seriously.

There are sources online, Sarna in particular. ;)

I'm no expert, but in a macro sense the Davions are western Europe, (Britain/France) Steiner is German, East Europe, and Russian; Kurita is Japanese; Marik is Roman/Greco; Rasalhauge is Northern Europe, and the Capellans are China/SE Asia. In a micro sense, each of the Houses has slivers of other cultures mixed in (Arabs, Africans, South Asians, etc.)

and then... there are even more micro breakdowns like the Northwind Highlanders (one of my favorites!)

I encourage all to read up (me too).

#16 C E Dwyer

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:23 PM

I think everyone has their opinions and there has never really been an official stance, and that is probably best on all the houses.

The only clear Nation before 3025 is Draconis Combine which is based around fake western ideals of a samurai, ninja culture, that clouded sensible views in the 1980's

Sadly as the lore expanded people pigeonholed as much as they could other nations followed suit

The Next nation to go this route was Capellan confederation in 3025 if came across as a Fu Man chu, meats Robert the Bruce, in the form of House Liao v St Ives compact, by 3060 the new house books had made it a chinese clone of the Draconis Combine, with thuggie cult and everything forbidden city, St Ives has tucked his sporran between his legs and the only thing tartan was his Cheongsam.

The biggest abortion of them all though is The Lyran Comonwealth this is now considered a germanic state in battle tech Canon. when it is a carbon copy of the British Empire since the early 19th century.

Its troops are Considered brave well equiped but poorly led by toffs exactly like the British empire troops have always been with a few glitches during world war two crusader tank *coughs*

All the regions of the L.C are named after regions in the UK, the Scots just had a vote on independence, and remained part of the Uk, just like the the federation of skye. guess where the isles of Skye are, yup Scotland.

The British Monarchy are German they have been German since King George came to the throne, the current bunch the House of Winsor ,were not called that until 1917, when it was thought that what with the Russian revolution, the french muntinee in the trenches and the fact Britain was at war with Germany, and bombers called Gotha's were dropping bombs on London to keep the name Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, might cause problems.

But some how the Lyran comonwealth is German.

Federated Suns

This is the bunch that a lot of Americans seem to think is Britain, because it has Leftenants and not Lieutenants and Hanse Davion likes King Arthur and Camelot, well Camelot is a French idea the knight order of the garter was set up by Henry II king of England, Normany and Aquitane who was William the ******** grand or great grandson I lose track, its his fault that battle like Cressy happened because of the English claim to parts of what is now northern and Western France he used to rule, there is a reason that the area called Britony is called that.

Anyway whatever the F.S are it sure aint the U.K. maybe its Canada as the Davions are supposed to be half French and half Hindu, if I remember correctly

Free Worlds League

This is another one that's not clear cut making it probably the most interesting of them all, the only American style democratic link it has, is the Federal court, though it's nowhere near as segmented as states rights. and I tend to ignore that part, its supposed to be a democracy that is run by a dictator.

The only Governments that were run like that are Cromwells England and the Roman Republic, both were strong governments that pretended to be for the people and had in theory democratic rights, which had civil wars and factional houses, also the only art work of the seat of government looks like the inside of the House of Parliament

The Mariks though are Romanian or Czechs, so I'd suggest the Free worlds League is more like the Balkan States with hints of the other two from the last Paragraph.

Free Rasalhague Republic

Space Vikings, I'd stopped really reading the lore by the time this state came about, calling them space Vikings is a bit crude,and a bit insulting as the real Rasalhague League was very successful though I don't get why so many Tamar Pact planets were given to it by Katrina Steiner as the parts of England West of the River Tamar, are the most un viking of all parts of the UK, the Cornish being one of only two groups of genuine Britons left in the world

Edited by Cathy, 08 November 2015 - 03:24 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:26 PM

View PostCathy, on 08 November 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:



It's never fully spelled out, but the old house books spelled it out pretty well, overall, lol.

Basically, yes, the Balkans, with delusions of the late Roman Empire/Byzantine in their government, and the duchies being composed of almost every 3rd world nation in the world (at least in the eyes of the average American), as of the 1980s in a giant melting pot.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:51 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 08 November 2015 - 03:26 PM, said:

It's never fully spelled out, but the old house books spelled it out pretty well, overall, lol.

Basically, yes, the Balkans, with delusions of the late Roman Empire/Byzantine in their government, and the duchies being composed of almost every 3rd world nation in the world (at least in the eyes of the average American), as of the 1980s in a giant melting pot.


I finally have them all I was missing the 1980's Free worlds book for years, girl friend found it and bought it this year, kind of scared to open the pages fully, as the only copy I could find was for sale at £999, now I know she didn't pay that kind of money, but I suspect close to a three figure sum, and it can't be replaced easily so :o

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:55 PM

View PostCathy, on 08 November 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:


I finally have them all I was missing the 1980's Free worlds book for years, girl friend found it and bought it this year, kind of scared to open the pages fully, as the only copy I could find was for sale at £999, now I know she didn't pay that kind of money, but I suspect close to a three figure sum, and it can't be replaced easily so :o

yeah, got them, but mos tare pretty rough. I had been using my PDFs for reference, but those died with my desktop....and since my external hard drive was ruined in the same hurricane....

*sigh* I had thought I had backed them up to dropbox, but apparently not... got all the novels there, but not my sourcebooks

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:10 PM

Narnia





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