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[Makenzie71]

This message brought to you by the person in front getting cored because you're trying to keep a close watch on his *******.

[DaZur]

Makenzie71, on 09 November 2015 - 08:53 PM, said:

This message brought to you by the person in front getting cored because you're trying to keep a close watch on his *******.

Deal... On one condition:

Keep pushing through the choke-point and stop backing up into me trying to escape what just made you piss yourself.

Edited by DaZur, 09 November 2015 - 09:09 PM.

[Madcap72]

Maybe you should stop walking in front of them instead.

[Wildstreak]

I have had enough of being in both spots on this, I intentionally go where the least allies are while staying in their general vicinity.
Hard to do though with all the Corner Campers around.

Corner Camper - Someone who 'claims' a corner spot for poking and never leaves it.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

Oh, you're telling me. I've had my fair share poking from behind the boxes in Terra Therma's caldera entryway, only to find some tall assault mech calmly parking himself behind a cover too short to stop anything - namely, that raven that just so happens to be firing PPC bolts out the right side of the boxes. Just don't do it guys. It gets teammates killed, often very, very quickly.

Edited by ArcturusWolf, 09 November 2015 - 09:22 PM.

[Makenzie71]

DaZur, on 09 November 2015 - 09:08 PM, said:

Deal... On one condition:

Keep pushing through the choke-point and stop backing up into me trying to escape what just made you piss yourself.

That one pisses me off, too. I use to start every match on Therma telling the team that the first person I find squatting at the top of the ramp I was going to leg, and the same goes for anyone squatting on the ramp and preventing a teammate's escape. Until someone reported me for team damage despite the fact that I have never had a need to follow through with that threat.

Madcap I actually pay pretty close attention to my map...if I look down and see a trail of ducklings I stop and take the closest cover until that deathtrap goes and deals with itself.

[Roadbuster]

http://mwomercs.com/...ics-101-comics/ explains it all.

[The Great Unwashed]

What a wonderful sentiment.

[PhoenixFire55]

DaZur, on 09 November 2015 - 09:08 PM, said:

Deal... On one condition:

Keep pushing through the choke-point and stop backing up into me trying to escape what just made you piss yourself.

This is a lame excuse tbh. You should always keep at least some distance giving a mech in front of you room to operate. Most choke points in MWO easily allow two mechs to walk side by side through them. Besides, unless you use chat/comms beforehands you can never tell if a mech in front is going full out brawl into the enemy or just trades fire.

Roadbuster, on 10 November 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ics-101-comics/ explains it all.

+1. That one covers more or less all basics.

madhermit, on 10 November 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

I teamkill people who block me. If I can't back off at max speed when I need to because guy behind me is not keeping his distance I will turn around and shoot. I don't say anything. I just open fire and either teamkill or get teamkilled.

Amen to that bro. Usually no need to TK but an alpha in the leg makes the message clear in most cases.

[Vellron2005]

I have an easy solution for this..

To the Assault that stops in the narrow space, shoots and than backs up.. keep doing that, take that damage for the guy behind you. Alternatively, push through the opening so others can also follow. Please, never stop and do that in a tight space during a push, you back up the whole column and bottleneck the team.

To the Guy behind that blocks a friendly's retreat... realize that the guy in front takes the damage for you, and is backing up for a reason. If he can't take the heat, neither could you and you would do the same in his place, or push on and get cut down in seconds. Instead, if you're rear torso-hugging the guy in front, then you have to "go with the flow" and follow his movements, otherwise, YOU bottleneck the narrow spot and the guy in front takes too much damage, ultimately dying and costing your team numbers. So bring LRM's you can shoot over him, and back up when he does. If you wanna get in front of him THAT MUCH, use jumpjets.

General:

Stop calling people names such as corner campers and such - its derogatory, and not nice, and peeking a corner is a legitimate military strategy when suppressed or waiting for a push. So is taking a shooting position in a narrow space if no push is going on. Remember that the guy in front has a better view of the situation and enemy numbers and positions, and it is HIS decision weather or not a push is a good idea. You calling him a coward for not taking 6 alphas to the CT instead of you is not gonna help your team win.

Also, remember that if you are playing with a drop commander and he calls for a push, you WILL follow those orders and NOT stop in that narrow passage, no matter how many alphas you take, since your sacrifice will mean higher chance of others reaching the front line, and your team winning.

People need to realize MWO is a TEAM oriented game.. not a solo COD..

EDIT - Addendum:

Shooting your teammate for "blocking you" is considered a really crappy childish way to deal with it, and deserves reporting. And besides, just because somebody else is being a douche does NOT mean you should sink to their level. Also, they might be still a new player who fumble's over his own mech's feet, so before you commit a serious reportable offense, think twice. Check temper, and check fire!

I know how it is, we've all experienced this.. its frustrating, yes.. but if you must vent, yell at the screen, don't shoot teammates, or whine about it in chat or on the forums. Somebody will do it to them too, sooner or later..

Edited by Vellron2005, 10 November 2015 - 02:34 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

DaZur, on 09 November 2015 - 09:08 PM, said:

Deal... On one condition:

Keep pushing through the choke-point and stop backing up into me trying to escape what just made you piss yourself.

Choke points - yes, sure. The VAST majority of the time, no. If i peek round a corner and see more than 1 mech, you can BET im reversing, because being exposed to more than 1 enemy at a time is a good way to do **** and die horribly.

DO NOT EVER STAND DIRECTLY BEHIND A FRIENDLY. FIND YOUR OWN [redacted] CORNER/RIDGE

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 11 November 2015 - 04:59 PM.
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[Mudhutwarrior]

madhermit, on 10 November 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

I teamkill people who block me. If I can't back off at max speed when I need to because guy behind me is not keeping his distance I will turn around and shoot. I don't say anything. I just open fire and either teamkill or get teamkilled.

That's pretty stupid. If you have mech following you it takes time for them to back out too. A mature person can see whether its accidental or intentional.

If your a choke point blocker expect it regularly.

Followed a guy on crimson last night. Stopped on the ramp three times then got upset when four of us were behind him. Must have been you.

[Raggedyman]

[Zypher]

It's just like driving, the one behind you ends up eating most of the blame after an accident. In MWO the person in front in a lot of cases has no idea your even behind them. When someone it taking and returning shots they won't be staring at their radar at the same time. If you need to push through use VOIP or chat, but if you don't let the person in front know your intentions you are the only one to blame.

Assuming someone isn't stopping at some forbidden choke like on Terra Therma, you should always be looking out for the guy up front.

Edited by Zypher, 10 November 2015 - 07:48 AM.

[Wildstreak]

Vellron2005, on 10 November 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

To the Guy behind that blocks a friendly's retreat... realize that the guy in front takes the damage for you, and is backing up for a reason.

Except quite often the guy in front of me is NOT an Assault, he is usually my own weight class or smaller. It is not the Assaults I have a problem with.

Vellron2005, on 10 November 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Stop calling people names such as corner campers and such - its derogatory, and not nice, and peeking a corner is a legitimate military strategy when suppressed or waiting for a push.

Except such people are also taught to have situational awareness of where their allies are, something seen less often in this game. Corner Camper is in no way derogatory compared to other comments seen in and out of game.

The strategic limitation of no other strategy but Push in this game is absurd.

Vellron2005, on 10 November 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Remember that the guy in front has a better view of the situation and enemy numbers and positions, and it is HIS decision weather or not a push is a good idea. You calling him a coward for not taking 6 alphas to the CT instead of you is not gonna help your team win.

Remember that guy in front is not always the leader and is preventing allies from using their firepower to assist in damging the enemy. Even worse when that front guy is a same or lighter weight camping the corner.

Vellron2005, on 10 November 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Also, remember that if you are playing with a drop commander and he calls for a push, you WILL follow those orders and NOT stop in that narrow passage, no matter how many alphas you take, since your sacrifice will mean higher chance of others reaching the front line, and your team winning.

Again with the Push limitation showing the lack of intelligence and battlefiled analysis at the 'higher levels of play.' Had a perfect example last night on Tourmaline where the Push caller threw the match for the team because he could not assess the situation properly then tried to cover up his mistake through dumb insults.

Vellron2005, on 10 November 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

People need to realize MWO is a TEAM oriented game.. not a solo COD..

Except those claiming 'teamwork' are the actual CoD players.

Vellron2005, on 10 November 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Shooting your teammate for "blocking you" is considered a really crappy childish way to deal with it, and deserves reporting.

Agreed.

Vellron2005, on 10 November 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

I know how it is, we've all experienced this.. its frustrating, yes.. but if you must vent, yell at the screen, don't shoot teammates, or whine about it in chat or on the forums. Somebody will do it to them too, sooner or later..

Agree to the not shooting but the 'whining' is not that, after battle analysis is actually a skill where people can learn things they did not see because they may have been too amped up on adrenaline in game.

Edited by Wildstreak, 10 November 2015 - 09:11 AM.

[Bullseye69]

One other thing if you don't have ecm and a teammates tryingnto flank a enemy and you can't stay with him don't follow your giving the ecm mech position away since you radar seeable and he not.

[Sabazial]

Roadbuster, on 10 November 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ics-101-comics/ explains it all.

They should make it a req for new players (and some current ones) to read those, so much good tactical info that unfortunately hardly anyone follows.

[Almond Brown]

DaZur, on 09 November 2015 - 09:08 PM, said:

Deal... On one condition:

Keep pushing through the choke-point and stop backing up into me trying to escape what just made you piss yourself.

Or you could let me back out and you may go first, since you seemed so horny to do so before I so blatantly got in your way. Deal?

Madcap72, on 09 November 2015 - 09:12 PM, said:

Maybe you should stop walking in front of them instead.

Ummm, how does one walk in front of a Mech that has been following them the whole way to their destination?

If you want to stick your arm up another Mechs arse, at least have the decency to ask their permission first..

[Almond Brown]

madhermit, on 10 November 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

I teamkill people who block me. If I can't back off at max speed when I need to because guy behind me is not keeping his distance I will turn around and shoot. I don't say anything. I just open fire and either teamkill or get teamkilled.

The "RED" Teamed called! They were looking for some more arseholes. Your name immediately came up...

sycocys, on 10 November 2015 - 03:17 AM, said:

Stop in front of me and you don't have to worry about getting front cored because you are getting alphas to the rear CT.

The "RED" Team called back. You sound like a good fit for them as well.

[Necromantion]

Frankly they need to implement friendly fire penalties that are exponential, also huge penalties for taking friendly components.

All these idiots in dragon 1n's who dont realize how low and far to the side their ballistic arm is...