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[GweNTLeR]

So we have almost all previous meta-mechs nerfed, and bad mechs boosted. But I cannot say that rvn-3l is boosted. It is among the low tier light mechs and is used quite rarely only because it has ecm. And now you give him missile quirks. With that quirks, what players can build? If we use use narc and ecm,we are left with srm-6 launcher at max (and maybe 3 non quirked ml, which are defenitely not a big threat) If we do not use narc, it is no better than any other light 35t mech (to use srm you have to get really close,where ecm is useless, so ecm is not a point here). I suppose, it would be wiser to replace (or add) missile quirks with energy(and,maybe, medium-laser specific) quirks.

[Zonenpenner]

The big question is:

In August the NARC-duration Quirk dind´t work.
http://mwomercs.com/...ion-quirk-inop/

Now the Duration is increased from 10 to 15 sec.
Work this Duration-Buff now?

[Lord Auriel]

well the idea is to make it the go-to NACer which makes sense. WIth the nerfed ECM (finally) ppl will dig LRM & NARC again.

[GweNTLeR]

Lord Auriel, on 16 November 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

well the idea is to make it the go-to NACer which makes sense. WIth the nerfed ECM (finally) ppl will dig LRM & NARC again.

Well, I knew that Dav's liked lrm,but this much...
Anyway, the maximum lrm you would able to fit and use on 3L with narc is like..lrm10? I suppose if you even manage to fit lrm15 somehow, it would be still impossible(yes,completely) to deal over 400 damage (I even think, most people would top at ~200). Not to mention that +10% missile range do not affect narc and is useless on lrm.

Edited by GweNTLeR, 16 November 2015 - 03:00 AM.

[Gonta]

Agree! 3L should be with laser quirks, not with missile.

[Halfsmart]

No God! Please No! Not the LRM quirks!
One of my favorite 'mechs. I use it with NARC+3xMPL.

[Radoslav Kirov]

Compared to the boost of other mechs, 3l is not a good option at all

[Fetherator]

4 Me there is no problem of using it with LRMs...i use it with LRM15Artemis...works good so far

[Vashramire]

Ya these do nothing for me aside from the NARC stuff. If the missile stuff applied to NARC it could kind of be nice since it uses missile hardpoints but I'm pretty sure next to no one runs anything above a SRM4 on it unless you forgo the NARC entirely for SRMs or Streaks like days of old.

I personally run the 3MPL,NARC, BAP and do fine as it is now and likely won't notice a 2.5% drop in laser duration. The only ECM mechs that got any buffs in regards to damage were the Cataphract and Atlas which tend to have a bit lower damage due to hardpoints. It depends on your build as to what you will like to see for quirks. For me a range boost would likely be my greatest wish which could be nice on the meta ERLL build but not likely as useful as say duration or maybe cooldown. I still think it's good regardless of the near unnoticeable quirks for my lasers currently and for PTS but it could be better to threaten the pesky Cheetahs that possess equal or greater damage with ECM, JJ, are lighter, role damage like a boss, and can lose a torso.

[GweNTLeR]

Vashramire, on 16 November 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

The only ECM mechs that got any buffs in regards to damage were the Cataphract and Atlas which tend to have a bit lower damage due to hardpoints.

Look at the CDA-3M new quirks, look at the spider-5D new quirks. They re just freakin' beasts compared to this one.
It's not a matter of current state, because I agree with you, right now it is almost fine. It is a matter of it's future state.

Edited by GweNTLeR, 16 November 2015 - 09:27 AM.

[YpaH]

Agreed with topic starter. 3L will be, probably, the weakest light, after re-quircking. "NARC-user" doesn't mean that mech wouldn't be able to use another weapon affectivly. I think that the way is to add energetic quircks or make rocket-quircks tragically stronger (first is better and most simple).

[Vashramire]

GweNTLeR, on 16 November 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Look at the CDA-3M new quirks, look at the spider-5D new quirks. They re just freakin' beasts compared to this one.
It's not a matter of current state, because I agree with you, right now it is almost fine. It is a matter of it's future state.

I was mostly addressing weapon quirks as the CDA and SDR gain nothing new in that area really. CDA gets more reliable ballistics through velocity and jamming so that value is more RNG and pilot skill buffer than a straight damage boost. The 3L is lacking in the durability and mobility areas even compared to it's own variants. It's going to be weak in that regard and kind of "ok" with weapons but may actually become inflatedly weaker due to most mechs getting structure/armor buffs.

3L pilots will have to fight cautiously to survive and I'm not sure that's good.

[Arandmoor]

GweNTLeR, on 16 November 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Well, I knew that Dav's liked lrm,but this much...

Dav's like LRMs? That's an understatement.

One of their standard light mechs is an LRM boat, and they love to stack scout lances with the damn things to provide fire support to their heavies once the shooting starts.