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[Inkarnus]

@Ssamout

apperently you need to do a giant tinfoilhat to protect from the truth =D in CW and SoloQue
found this in another topic

DerHenker, on 04 December 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

will not happen

https://www.reddit.c...cstar_cheating/

Edited by Inkarnus, 04 December 2015 - 05:14 AM.

[Jon Gotham]

pwnface, on 03 December 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

This is not necessarily true as it comes down to your RNGesus for who you get as your PUGs. If you have a bunch of no-name skittles, it's unlike you will beat even mediocre teams. If I get even 2 or 3 players that I recognize as legit elite players, I'm confident that we can give even decent CW units a run for their money. If you get 3-4 guys capable of pulling 3k damage in a CW drop, it's not too hard to crush an organized, decent team who doesn't have elite pilots.



Most Davion units that play CW are about as good as an average PUG team. 22AL can put up a decent fight though.

RRB are also solid, when I was Kurita we ran into them a few times-had some good matches.

[Ssamout]

Inkarnus, on 04 December 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

@Ssamout

apperently you need to do a giant tinfoilhat to protect from the truth =D in CW and SoloQue
found this in another topic

That anonymous legend about altaccount dropping from year ago hardly proves jackshit. While I was in said unit, never did see or hear about that. Also havent seen any admirals out there to give even some credibility to that. Dont recommend spreading rumours. If you suspect something happened contact pgi, and dont post crap on forums.

[Inkarnus]

Well i saw em and i saw em in solo que =D even lately last week coincidental 2 MS on the opposite team and coincidental 2 afks in ours with the names as in the list. I wonder how that could happen man i wonder i wonder.

Btw that you were in that unit i assume you are still with atleast one of your alts so all you say is biased wp sir.

And to correct you i will talk about anything thats inside here within the Board regulations as much as i like
but some people like you feel its more cool to belittle it as CRAP and hide the truth. When they are themselfs loaded with BS.
Rigging is a sad fact.
why people cheat idk but that some people take the Competitive spirit too far is known for a long time or
cant compete and resort to rule breaking actions that are despicable.

Edited by Inkarnus, 04 December 2015 - 07:50 AM.

[Ssamout]

Inkarnus, on 04 December 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

Well i saw em and i saw em in solo que =D even lately last week coincidental 2 MS on the opposite team and coincidental 2 afks in ours with the names as in the list. I wonder how that could happen man i wonder i wonder.

Btw that you were in that unit i assume you are still with atleast one of your alts so all you say is biased wp sir.

And to correct you i will talk about anything thats inside here within the Board regulations as much as i like
but some people like you feel its more cool to belittle it as CRAP and hide the truth. When they are themselfs loaded with BS.
Rigging is a sad fact.
why people cheat idk but that some people take the Competitive spirit too far is known for a long time or
cant compete and resort to rule breaking actions that are despicable.

I've just heard so much crap from incompetent whiners that are seeing riggers and hackers everywhere that its getting quite old, but I guess that what playing PvP games is. Sore bunch of losers. If they would spend that energy learning to aim and position better everyone would benefit from that.

Yeah, btw all I run is alt accounts.. In fact all major merc units require you to create alt account when joining. Ask anyone if you dont believe.

[Caballo]

KahnWongFuChung, on 25 November 2015 - 10:49 AM, said:

OP said = (So quit whining and quit claiming to be the victims of "seal clubbing" when you choose the outcome).

How do you argue with a idiot like the OP?

Many times I have played CW as a pug or in a group and I can say without a doubt in my mind it is unbalanced in favor of premade 12 man teams that seal club and farm pugs for rewards C-bills and challenges.

A typical 12 man troll team = 12 Arctic Cheetahsx3 Vs a random pug team total battle time 3-5 minutes tops.

So OP you and PGI can blow it out yer rear ends on CW balance.

Yet another ******* claiming "Organized teams are OP in this team game"

You can either try to play as a team with the guys you have been put together with, and quit standing in the background with four large lasers while the rest of your team is trying to win the match pressing on the enemy... or you can go back to counterstrike.

Edited by Caballo, 04 December 2015 - 09:56 AM.

[Inkarnus]

Ssamout, on 04 December 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

I've just heard so much crap from incompetent whiners that are seeing riggers and hackers everywhere that its getting quite old, but I guess that what playing PvP games is. Sore bunch of losers. If they would spend that energy learning to aim and position better everyone would benefit from that.

Yeah, btw all I run is alt accounts.. In fact all major merc units require you to create alt account when joining. Ask anyone if you dont believe.

If stupidity would hurt i guess you where in hospital by now. I KNOW RIGHT THIS GAME MAN NOBODY HACKS OR CHEATS THE SYSTEM RIGHT. Nobody used a cvar for along time that just got recently hotfixed and gave you an immense gamebreaking advantage. Never happened. I tell you something there are more of these CVARs and no i wont share em with you.

Since Cheating thats just human nature cant be that humans be humans and act like humans.
Better a bakka like you and make a laughing stock out of yourself for denying the obvious.

If you would see a obvious cs go cheat video from a busted player you would still tell me to buckle up, you just suck.
Thats always a solid go to, hide behind, everybody sucks and are whiners. Been here longer then you
saw alot of BS saw alot of thirdparty helpers and saw alot of your kind whining yourself =D like some of your posts.

The other point is really funny man especially that everybody I know has by now atleast 2-4 alt accounts up and running.
Be it from friends that quit or f2p funsy accounts to troll them poor tier 4s.
Since we all buy mechbays never test stuff on a secondary account nope never seen that xD.
Its totally unheared off to have multiple accounts in a f2p game where you have just 4 mechbays and limited income.

But now i go and leave you off to rage in the forum a bit more and make me laugh, later.

[Crockdaddy]

Triordinant, on 25 November 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

If you need that many people to carry you, you've already lost. 1 vs. 1 is the only true way to determine mechwarrior quality. Can't you win without backup?

Wait wait ... this must be an NKVA Troll ALT account. No way someone can remain this obtuse and keep it going. I'll have to go commend Scoops for job well done.

[oldradagast]

If you can't figure out why a game format that pits premade, practiced veterans against random casuals, PUG's and small teams is unbalanced and stupid, than we can't help you.

Nobody said that they "can't" form a team or join a unit, but the brutal reality is that most players do not have the time to focus on becoming highly-skilled members of some sort of "elite unit" in a flippin' video game.

So, we have two choices:
- Continue the current path of idiocy, where CW is a ghost town because of the endless stomps and total lack of skill-based match-making that takes up more time than Public queue matches and for far less satisfying gameplay.
- Fix the game mode so that people are pitted against opponents appropriate to their skill level, group size, or whatever.

Honestly, I'm damn tired of posts that defend the current idiocy. Imagine if the Super Bowl consisted of anything - randomly chosen - from two professional teams pitted against each other to one pro team vs. a few dozen people from the stands and a handful of last-round draft picks from a college team. Would that make sense as a game? Would it be fun? And would defending it with "Well, you should just practice harder until you're a pro, too!" actually justify the idiocy of such match-making? Come on...

Caballo, on 04 December 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Yet another ******* claiming "Organized teams are OP in this team game"

You can either try to play as a team with the guys you have been put together with, and quit standing in the background with four large lasers while the rest of your team is trying to win the match pressing on the enemy... or you can go back to counterstrike.

Organized teams are not "overpowered"

Pitting organized teams against randoms, casuals, and PUG's is just stupid matchmaking, however. It makes no sense, drives away potential customers before they can even consider becoming "pro team members," and makes a total mockery of CW being a "high skill environment," where wins are handed out to large teams sometimes just for showing up.

Enough of this strawman argument - nobody EVER said that "large teams" existing are the problem - it's the MATCHMAKING of teams against vastly inferior opponents that is the problem.

Edited by oldradagast, 04 December 2015 - 11:22 AM.

[Ssamout]

Inkarnus, on 04 December 2015 - 10:24 AM, said:

If stupidity would hurt i guess you where in hospital by now. I KNOW RIGHT THIS GAME MAN NOBODY HACKS OR CHEATS THE SYSTEM RIGHT. Nobody used a cvar for along time that just got recently hotfixed and gave you an immense gamebreaking advantage. Never happened. I tell you something there are more of these CVARs and no i wont share em with you.

Since Cheating thats just human nature cant be that humans be humans and act like humans.
Better a bakka like you and make a laughing stock out of yourself for denying the obvious.

If you would see a obvious cs go cheat video from a busted player you would still tell me to buckle up, you just suck.
Thats always a solid go to, hide behind, everybody sucks and are whiners. Been here longer then you
saw alot of BS saw alot of thirdparty helpers and saw alot of your kind whining yourself =D like some of your posts.

The other point is really funny man especially that everybody I know has by now atleast 2-4 alt accounts up and running.
Be it from friends that quit or f2p funsy accounts to troll them poor tier 4s.
Since we all buy mechbays never test stuff on a secondary account nope never seen that xD.
Its totally unheared off to have multiple accounts in a f2p game where you have just 4 mechbays and limited income.

But now i go and leave you off to rage in the forum a bit more and make me laugh, later.

Lol @ this. Yeah, u can imagine all the **** u like, and make presumptions all the way. I guess some premade has touched you in a bad way. Hope u get help.
Dont do cs and dont care. Have watched hacker playing this game, and ofcourse there are those that need a crutch to be bad, this is PvP after all. Still after quite many days of playing CW, like almost every day since it came, I haven't seen a single dodgy looking disconnect or anything suggesting someone using alt account to win. That said, It doesnt mean I believe every match is clean, sadly.

You seem to know a lot about hacking though.. hmm..

Kisses to you dear sir, hope u can still find some fun in this game. Sorry if I made u rage, considering the language you use to describe me.

ps. it may surprise you, but I know few people without alt accounts..

Edited by Ssamout, 04 December 2015 - 11:33 AM.

[vandalhooch]

oldradagast, on 04 December 2015 - 11:14 AM, said:

If you can't figure out why a game format that pits premade, practiced veterans against random casuals, PUG's and small teams is unbalanced and stupid, than we can't help you.

And if you can't figure out that this mode doesn't pit anyone against anyone, the players do that themselves, then you'll stay the same salty curmudgeon you've always been.

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Nobody said that they "can't" form a team or join a unit, but the brutal reality is that most players do not have the time to focus on becoming highly-skilled members of some sort of "elite unit" in a flippin' video game.

And the gentle, dove-like counter reality is that most units aren't actually like you described.

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So, we have two choices:
- Continue the current path of idiocy, where CW is a ghost town because of the endless stomps and total lack of skill-based match-making that takes up more time than Public queue matches and for far less satisfying gameplay.

Lack of developed complexity in the mode led people who aren't anti-social trolls to leave the mode.

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- Fix the game mode so that people are pitted against opponents appropriate to their skill level, group size, or whatever.

That already exists. It's called Quick Play.

What you want is to change Faction Play so that it isn't faction play. You aren't proposing a fix.

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Honestly, I'm damn tired of posts that defend the current idiocy.

Reading comprehension refresher courses should be required for all internet users. The posts criticizing this idiotic idea of a split queue aren't defending the current state of the mode. They are pointing out that your idea to fix it is flawed and won't really give you the results that you want or will alter the mode into something that many other players don't want.

You want the game to be shallower and your adversaries want it to be deeper.

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Imagine if the Super Bowl consisted of anything - randomly chosen - from two professional teams pitted against each other to one pro team vs. a few dozen people from the stands and a handful of last-round draft picks from a college team.

Imagine if C-A-T really spelled dog. What does your absurd imaginings have to do with a free to play video game in which all content is eventually available to any player regardless of their spending real money?

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Would that make sense as a game? Would it be fun? And would defending it with "Well, you should just practice harder until you're a pro, too!" actually justify the idiocy of such match-making? Come on...

Would peanut butter taste better if it was made of peas?

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Organized teams are not "overpowered"

Pitting organized teams against randoms, casuals, and PUG's is just stupid matchmaking,

No, it is idiots ignoring the fact that THERE IS NO MATCHMKER!

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however. It makes no sense, drives away potential customers before they can even consider becoming "pro team members," and makes a total mockery of CW being a "high skill environment," where wins are handed out to large teams sometimes just for showing up.

Wins are handed to the teams that play the best. Some teams have decided to do what it takes to win by getting organized and communicating. Some teams refuse to do that and thus lose.

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Enough of this strawman argument - nobody EVER said that "large teams" existing are the problem - it's the MATCHMAKING of teams against vastly inferior opponents that is the problem.

There is no matchmaking. It is the ultimate in freedom. Anyone who shows up, gets to participate. And they get to choose how they will participate, as a solo Rambo or as a coordinated team. Freedom for everyone.

Why do you hate freedom?

Edited by vandalhooch, 04 December 2015 - 01:15 PM.

[oldradagast]

vandalhooch, on 04 December 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

There is no matchmaking. It is the ultimate in freedom. Anyone who shows up, gets to participate. And they get to choose how they will participate, as a solo Rambo or as a coordinated team. Freedom for everyone.

Why do you hate freedom?

You're delusional. Sounds like a typical nut-ball anarchist mindset. If there are no rule, everyone is free! Right up until the local warlord takes over and rules with an iron fist. Get off the soap-box with the insane comparison between this game mode and "Freedom" - you're missing the point and not making a lick of sense.

CW has no match-making. That does not make things "more free," fun, or anything else. Ironically, it LIMITS choices by basically forcing you to play meta-mechs with large, high-skill units if you want to have any shot of winning. Since "anything goes," the only thing that matters is basically rolling over the enemy with the most coordinated meta-mech group you can field. And, as I said before, not everyone has the time, money, reflexes, or interest in such a quite frankly limited game mode.

So, again, we have a choice:
- Continue with the current "free and anything goes" idiocy, where nobody shows up to CW unless a high-stakes event is going on since the game mode - and obviously some of its supporters - are hostile to new players, casual players, small teams, and anyone who thinks there's more to life than being "the best" at some small-time video game with no cash payouts.
- Fix the game mode so it has some appeal to ALL players by introducing some level of skill-based matchmaking and thus ending the laughable "high-skill" seal clubbing matches.

Fortunately, your opinion and laughable comparisons don't matter in this decision; PGI knows full well that CW is dead, and if they want to make more money, they WILL fix it. I, on the other hand, don't really care since I thankfully have the Public Queue in which to play, which is relatively free from people who think seal-clubbing is "Freedom."

Edited by oldradagast, 04 December 2015 - 02:38 PM.

[vandalhooch]

oldradagast, on 04 December 2015 - 02:36 PM, said:

You're delusional. Sounds like a typical nut-ball anarchist mindset. If there are no rule, everyone is free! Right up until the local warlord takes over and rules with an iron fist. Get off the soap-box with the insane comparison between this game mode and "Freedom" - you're missing the point and not making a lick of sense.

So, when someone grossly distorts your words and makes hyperbolic claims about what you want, that's bad?

Physician, heal thyself.


Since this probably flew over your head, I was doing exactly what you do every time you claim that unit players want to club seals, every time you claim that unit players are trying to defend the current state of CW, every time you claim that all units require massive time commitments and will force you to play certain ways.

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CW has no match-making. That does not make things "more free," fun, or anything else. Ironically, it LIMITS choices by basically forcing you to play meta-mechs with large, high-skill units if you want to have any shot of winning. Since "anything goes," the only thing that matters is basically rolling over the enemy with the most coordinated meta-mech group you can field. And, as I said before, not everyone has the time, money, reflexes, or interest in such a quite frankly limited game mode.

So, again, we have a choice:
- Continue with the current "free and anything goes" idiocy, where nobody shows up to CW unless a high-stakes event is going on since the game mode - and obviously some of its supporters - are hostile to new players, casual players, small teams, and anyone who thinks there's more to life than being "the best" at some small-time video game with no cash payouts.
- Fix the game mode so it has some appeal to ALL players by introducing some level of skill-based matchmaking and thus ending the laughable "high-skill" seal clubbing matches.

Fortunately, your opinion and laughable comparisons don't matter in this decision; PGI knows full well that CW is dead, and if they want to make more money, they WILL fix it. I, on the other hand, don't really care since I thankfully have the Public Queue in which to play, which is relatively free from people who think seal-clubbing is "Freedom."

[Zibmo]

Famous, on 25 November 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

This is a niche game, there are other big stompy robot games out there, but not with this level of backstory. Why should CW be changed at all for PUG players?

Because if they don't do something to entice PUG players, the game will become even more barren than it is right now. There is a reason that there is only so much activity in CW (200 players world-wide engaged in CW? Really?) right now. There is a reason they added "voting" to the game instead of checkboxes to limit modes and maps.

If they want to increase population, or even maintain their current levels, telling a good portion (you'll note I didn't insist on "majority" because I don't have actual numbers other than CW queue and subjectives for quick play) of their playerbase to piss off is not, in the near or long term, a good way to run a business. Other than into the ground.

Every "CW is NOT FOR PUGS" or "GET A TEAM DAMMIT" or "YOU'RE A MORON IF YOU PUG CW" is just one more nail. I don't know how many nails are needed to seal the coffin, but I think treading a little more lightly and being a little more accepting of the "steering wheel underhive" as so many of you are happy to call everyone-who-isn't-you-and-more-than-a-few-who-are might yield a better result from a population perspective.

If it takes an event to even wake CW up, and then only for a little while, there are deeper problems than "get a team, stupid."

[Palor]

I always felt the big issue with CW wasn't pugs vs premades, but Competitive units vs anyone else. Premade or pug, a comp unit team will smash your team.

[Kjudoon]

Stop hitting yourself.
Stop hitting yourself.
Stop hitting yourself.
Stop hitting yourself.
Stop hitting yourself.


You brought this on yourself.

You brought this on yourself.

You brought this on yourself.

You brought this on yourself.

[Lily from animove]

Inkarnus, on 04 December 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

Well i saw em and i saw em in solo que =D even lately last week coincidental 2 MS on the opposite team and coincidental 2 afks in ours with the names as in the list. I wonder how that could happen man i wonder i wonder.

such nonsense, seriously. what woudl be the point of trying opposed synch dropping in solo q? if they are unlucky they will end up in the same team, and what then? playing two mechs at once?

oldradagast, on 04 December 2015 - 11:14 AM, said:

If you can't figure out why a game format that pits premade, practiced veterans against random casuals, PUG's and small teams is unbalanced and stupid, than we can't help you.

Nobody said that they "can't" form a team or join a unit, but the brutal reality is that most players do not have the time to focus on becoming highly-skilled members of some sort of "elite unit" in a flippin' video game.

So, we have two choices:
- Continue the current path of idiocy, where CW is a ghost town because of the endless stomps and total lack of skill-based match-making that takes up more time than Public queue matches and for far less satisfying gameplay.
- Fix the game mode so that people are pitted against opponents appropriate to their skill level, group size, or whatever.

Most units take people even without being "high skilled". you assumptions do not reflect how most units in MWO work. sounds more like an excuse for not joining any unit.

Stop blaming the system and others.

Your mindset will always fail because you do not even grab the chances you have. There are lots of units who accept newbies and not so skilled palyers.

[Bashfulsalamander]

Wow forgot about this post and look at all the arguments.. Beautiful just beautiful

Leiska, on 25 November 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

This is garbage, yet people keep posting the same thing over and over. No amount of making friends or organizing is going to let the average pugger beat most premades. Not even if they had a drop commander god with a wall hack would they stand a chance for the simple reason that premades almost exclusively contain players who are far above average in skill level and game knowledge. Premades don't win with coordination, they win primarily with raw piloting talent. The only exception to this I can think of is SWOL, who actually do use coordination to overcome weak piloting by calling forced pushes to generators when the pugs are showing too much resistance.

That's a pretty rude thing to say... You are basically implying that all other units other then SWOL have raw talent, but no brains to use said talent? that sells a lot of units short and clearly depicts SWOL as the best unit in the game... Secondly you are saying that comms would not let the average pugger beat a premade... of course not its a single person vs a collective mind of 12 people in worse case scenario. BUT a pugger that uses these tools provided will be able to accomplish victory against other pugs more.. and even against a bad premade group with low talent and no coordination. " as you say all units have no coordination. I hate to tell you, but your idea does not discredit my own.. it just makes it stand out more due to your own ignorance of plain and very simple facts of gaming.

Also thanks Vandalhooch for clarifying my vague statement on Victims... I was not calling any one a victim or implying they exist.. I was telling people to quit trying to claim that they are one so that their opinions would draw more leverage towards the evolution of the game mode. IE: In a game that offers so many way of self improvement the player chooses to ignore these, but then blames the premades for his/her bad game claiming that the little pug could not stand against all the big bad premades. The funny thing is I think most people would say that there are more PUGS then units.. and more active pugs then active unit members, so who is the actual minority in this games populace? CW allows both to play whenever and however they choose, but like all choices repercussions ensue.

We all know this game has a lot of flaws, but since PGI ditched PIG I think it has gotten better... Although still adjusting to the new quirks from DEC 1st. What this game really need is a playerbase that does not only support it by buying mech packs, but by one that offers constructive feed back regarding CW and other game modes that is not based solely off of a individuals personal agenda. We all see examples of this at the end of a bad match their is that guy that says.. "crap team", but never tried to lead the team or even talk to them.... how is that the teams fault when you are part of the problem?

A split que would not be a bad idea if the games population where larger. ( meaning more units and stuff doing CW)
But I don't see that happening for the very same reason so many refuse to use VOIP, or any other comms. I don't think the typical pug understands just how small the Group world is... divide the group que by how many factions there are and see how many planets you fill up... This is not the Premades fault nor is it pugs fault its just the nature of the game and players in it. But I guess PUGS don't care they would rather tell units to go frack themselves and enjoy their long premade wait times and god forbid if they are a loyalist unit on the Marik or Lio border they wouldn't see the clans for awhile if Premades where the only ones that affected planet takeovers. (since they are the only ones with unit tags.. or care about that stuff)

[iLLcapitan]

Really stop blaming comp teams, you should be happy to get stomped by one and take the opportunity to learn (after the latest whinestorm I gotta clarify: this is not satirical) how they move, how they approach the given map.

All CW needs is more immersion and some goals to stick to. I would play it till kingdom come.

[Kjudoon]

iLLcapitan, on 07 December 2015 - 03:36 AM, said:

...you should be happy to get stomped by one and take the opportunity to learn (after the latest whinestorm I gotta clarify: this is not satirical) how they move, how they approach the given map.

Really.

Just wow.

Edited by Kjudoon, 07 December 2015 - 04:22 AM.