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[Lucian Nostra]

My only real gripe with MWOs grind is that a lot of it is about to be pointless.. Sure some boost via the mech trees is better than no boost but.. it's going to be such a small improvement I don't think you'll ever hear "Such and such a mech is ok but once you elite it!" again

But having it there in the first place does often give you something to do.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 01 December 2015 - 09:57 AM.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

When I read something like this I want to dismiss everything else said by the person.

Seriously break down that sentence and think about what you just complained about here....



When you say grinding out do you mean purchasing them or get them all mastered? I earn on average 150k give or take from a match and normally from hitting launch to match finish and collecting it takes me about 6-7 minutes normally. That's solo and group. That equates to roughly 1.5 million per hour. That can go up if you have some really good matches mixed in and can go down if you blast arty and uav every match and don't do all that well most times.

A Tbolt costs anywhere from 5-6 million.

5 hours to purchase a Tbolt
15 hours to purchase 3 give or take with no premium time.

Now if you're talking about mastering them, that's a different story. I can unlock all the basic skills on a new mech in roughly an hour or so. That's 3 hours to basic 3 mechs essentially, give or take.

18 hours to earn the cbills for all 3 mechs AND get them all basiced.
Customization is going to be the only portion I see being a bit expensive for newer players. Even still, you're playing completely for free and earning the above. If you play very casually and only play 1 hour 3-4 times a week, then yes, that can seem like a long time. Note I said "seem", because to me, playing a video game for 5 hours to earn enough money to buy a 65 ton heavy mech isn't all that much. This becomes especially true when you consider you're doing this all without spending a single penny on the game.

"Challenges are absolutely horrible, play 30 hours over the weekend to get free stuff, no thanks" Most of the challenges are points related, one of them required a multitude of wins before you really got any prizes.

Average winnings is no where near 150k

Rarely are matches 6 minutes, most have gone towards 12 minute mark...a lot of calculated coordinated attacks when I played.
Not sure how to sign up for the everyone rush and fight matches.

But those two right there doubled the time, don't forget you need DHS to be competitive.

Again, grind is horrendous. I've played the game 3 years, and haven't played in a few months because the game is stale as all heck. When I did play it was on a full F2P account for my kid and I just quit playing because it was a massive grind hours and hours to get *1* mech of the 3 then upgrade it, then buy weapons for it, modules add a massive cost.

[Sandpit]

Jetfire, on 01 December 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

The grind used to be a bit better,

?
They did give earnings a buff. The only other time I can think of when they were higher would have been during the beta stages and having R&R fees during some of that as well that offset those earnings.

[Lugh]

shad0w4life, on 01 December 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

"Challenges are absolutely horrible, play 30 hours over the weekend to get free stuff, no thanks" Most of the challenges are points related, one of them required a multitude of wins before you really got any prizes.

Average winnings is no where near 150k

Rarely are matches 6 minutes, most have gone towards 12 minute mark...a lot of calculated coordinated attacks when I played.
Not sure how to sign up for the everyone rush and fight matches.

But those two right there doubled the time, don't forget you need DHS to be competitive.

Again, grind is horrendous. I've played the game 3 years, and haven't played in a few months because the game is stale as all heck. When I did play it was on a full F2P account for my kid and I just quit playing because it was a massive grind hours and hours to get *1* mech of the 3 then upgrade it, then buy weapons for it, modules add a massive cost.

I got all the 'challenge' done in solo queue in under 4 hours played.

That grind is supposed to encourage working adults to pony up money to avoid the tedium. Clearly it failed as you didn't realize you could do that and pay your share to keep the lights on at PGI.

They should give you EVEN MORE FREE STUFF so you can complain about how much more TOTALLY FREE STUFF you don't have yet. If you want it NOW. PAY. If you want it EVENTUALLY grind. Time is money. Money is time saved.

Your average winnings are indicative a very low skill /score achievement level. I am not a terribly elite pilot by any stretch of the imagination and I earn 150k without premium on good losses, and 60-80k on bad ones. Winning pays way better.

Edited by Lugh, 01 December 2015 - 12:18 PM.

[Ghogiel]

shad0w4life, on 01 December 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

Not sure how to sign up for the everyone rush and fight matches.

Get out of the underhive and to the T1 master race where people can aim and matches last around 6mins.

[Kuritaclan]

Sandpit, on 01 December 2015 - 09:38 AM, said:

Now I understand where you're going with this.

Thats fine. And i don't declare cw as the end goal. But to play the game in fullness, what include cw require a somewhat decent drop deck as long as you don't wanna be the seal getting clubbed. And that however is connected to a grind. What is a bit more than getting 3 Mechs of the same Chassis, master one equip Modules and there you go on par with the rest. And as i said the grind is not that strong. Also it lowered since beta even more. I Was and been fine with it. Others complain about it. And if they are the majority. Well than this is it.

[Variant1]

The grind isint really that bad. LoL is a moba and not a simulator like MWO. World of tanks or War thunder would be a better comparison. Wot and WT id say from playing have a much much worse grind than in this game. To give you an example it took me 1 or 2 years just tor each tier 7 heavy tank, and the final tier is 10 especially made worse bercause you lose money if you die or shoot shells. I didn't try the light tanks since they get scout mm which means 4 tier higher tanks. In Wot higher tier means more dmg hp and chance to bounce shots. So yeah mwo grind isint that bad however there are still some annoying things like having to get 3 of the same mech in order to level up any of they're skills.

[JC Daxion]

I don't think so at all.. A weekend of play can get you 3 mechs..

they even boosted C-bills a decent amount. I played az few matches with premium time this weekend, and a few hit 350k once 450K... Back in the day i never hit over 250k.


People need to spend a little money, and support the game, instead of just expecting getting it all for free yesterday..

[Sandpit]

Kuritaclan, on 01 December 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

Thats fine. And i don't declare cw as the end goal. But to play the game in fullness, what include cw require a somewhat decent drop deck as long as you don't wanna be the seal getting clubbed. And that however is connected to a grind. What is a bit more than getting 3 Mechs of the same Chassis, master one equip Modules and there you go on par with the rest. And as i said the grind is not that strong. Also it lowered since beta even more. I Was and been fine with it. Others complain about it. And if they are the majority. Well than this is it.

That's still completely separate from the grind. Wanting to build very specific mechs under very specific and stringent rules is not the "normal" gameplay which is why it really doesn't factor in for me. CW is a whole nother ball of wax. I understand what you're saying and most of what you're saying is geared more towards new players starting out.

They get several million cbills upon cadet "graduation" which is MORE than enough to purchase any number of mechs AND customize them. If they spend their cbills and "waste" them on mechs they don't like, poor decisions, etc. that's not a grind issue.

That's an NPE and learning curve issue. They earn more than enough free currency to comfortably play this game without being inferior in any way to players who spend thousands of dollars.
1.5 million per hour is not "grindy" to me. It just isn't. This is probably the most free player friendly F2P I've ever played. They can easily and casually be in their own customized mech ranging from 20-100 tons within the first few days of playing. They can continue adding to that at the same pace. That's just not "hard" to me.

[Kuritaclan]

Sandpit, on 01 December 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

This is probably the most free player friendly F2P I've ever played.

xD. Nowadays back when it started and IGP+PGI wanted everybody to drop money to get mechbays - well that was not that F2P friendly. However today with an Event that bring you 1000MC which equals to 3 Mechbays. I won't complain.

Sandpit, on 01 December 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

They get several million cbills upon cadet "graduation" which is MORE than enough to purchase any number of mechs AND customize them.

That change was pretty much needed for starters to get around.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 01 December 2015 - 02:06 PM.

[Moldur]

Can I ask if anybody who doesn't have a bunch of mechs, and isn't on premium time thinks the grind is bad?

I have this assumption that most of the people speaking already have a good amount of cbills, mechs, and whatnot.

[Livewyr]

Considering that it probably takes more play time to get to a Tier 10 in WoT than it does to purchase and master all of the assault mechs in MWO, no the grind isn't bad.

Player expectation is bad. (And PGI's coddling)

[Sandpit]

Kuritaclan, on 01 December 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

xD. Nowadays back when it started and IGP+PGI wanted everybody to drop money to get mechbays - well that was not that F2P friendly. However today with an Event that bring you 1000MC which equals to 3 Mechbays. I won't complain.


That change was pretty much needed for starters to get around.

...
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Yes it needed to be improved which is what they did.

Moldur, on 01 December 2015 - 02:43 PM, said:

Can I ask if anybody who doesn't have a bunch of mechs, and isn't on premium time thinks the grind is bad?

I have this assumption that most of the people speaking already have a good amount of cbills, mechs, and whatnot.

ahhhh so you only the select opinion of people you approve of have an opinion that "counts"?
Did you ever stop to think that a lot of those people you're not counting DO and HAVE made alt accounts to do exactly what you're talking about?
Who'd have thunk it?

[Moldur]

Sandpit, on 01 December 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

ahhhh so you only the select opinion of people you approve of have an opinion that "counts"?
Did you ever stop to think that a lot of those people you're not counting DO and HAVE made alt accounts to do exactly what you're talking about?
Who'd have thunk it?

I wouldn't automatically assume that. I guess I am wrong not to? I'm saying MAYBE MAYBE the forum is not going to be a good consensus because nobody has the taste fresh in their mouth.

[Sandpit]

Moldur, on 01 December 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

I wouldn't automatically assume that. I guess I am wrong not to? I'm saying MAYBE MAYBE the forum is not going to be a good consensus because nobody has the taste fresh in their mouth.

ahh so if you're not "new" to the game completely, you can't decide if it takes too long to earn rewards?

Come on dude, your'e just trying to dismiss anyone who isn't "new"
Would my opinion count for me if I create an alt and post on the forums and just repeat what I've already said?

I can be "new", so can anyone else who wants to create an alt.

[Moldur]

Sandpit, on 01 December 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

ahh so if you're not "new" to the game completely, you can't decide if it takes too long to earn rewards?

Come on dude, your'e just trying to dismiss anyone who isn't "new"
Would my opinion count for me if I create an alt and post on the forums and just repeat what I've already said?

I can be "new", so can anyone else who wants to create an alt.

Ok, but you're assuming half of these people's responses aren't them talking out there ass.

I'm saying there are only a handful of people I have seen on this forum attest to the fact that they have a completely free account, or have never used premium time. Either of those things would skew grind time.

[Sandpit]

Moldur, on 01 December 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Ok, but you're assuming half of these people's responses aren't them talking out there ass.

I'm saying there are only a handful of people I have seen on this forum attest to the fact that they have a completely free account, or have never used premium time. Either of those things would skew grind time.

No, you're making blanket statements

We've seen plenty of posts throughout the years from new and free players.

This topic has come up and repeated the exact same thing since OB
3 years
even though they have increased rewards, reduced grind times, etc.

This topic will never cease to exist because there's ALWAYS someone who's going to complain that it's "too hard"

[Moldur]

Sandpit, on 01 December 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

No, you're making blanket statements

We've seen plenty of posts throughout the years from new and free players.

This topic has come up and repeated the exact same thing since OB
3 years
even though they have increased rewards, reduced grind times, etc.

This topic will never cease to exist because there's ALWAYS someone who's going to complain that it's "too hard"

Touche, but maybe they are onto something. All I'm saying is the forum represents a small amount of the playerbase, and of that small amount, most of us have purchased a decent amount of stuff for MWO, which alleviates the grind, which in turn would mean that players on this forum have not had to experience the grind in its entirety, or not for a very long time at least.

[Kuritaclan]

Moldur, on 01 December 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

Touche, but maybe they are onto something. All I'm saying is the forum represents a small amount of the playerbase, and of that small amount, most of us have purchased a decent amount of stuff for MWO, which alleviates the grind, which in turn would mean that players on this forum have not had to experience the grind in its entirety, or not for a very long time at least.

As of my viewpoint as a fully F2P Player and owning at the moment 42 mechs out of somewhat 300 including that which are not released for cbill i could complain that playing this game for more than three years i should have to have them all and not only 42. So out of this position the grind is to strong. The question would now be is the grind really to strong? And if there wouldn't be such a thing how could the publisher get money. I actually think the way it works now is okay. I thought it was okay back some time ago, after they finally put out some more events so you can grow your accs. And I'm ok to have not all shiny new like all the nice guys who Pay for Progress get a sooner. It is fine.

So no nobody is onto something unless they think they should get all content within one year without paying for it. And those people - well don't know how the world works.

[Sandpit]

Moldur, on 01 December 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

Touche, but maybe they are onto something. All I'm saying is the forum represents a small amount of the playerbase, and of that small amount, most of us have purchased a decent amount of stuff for MWO, which alleviates the grind, which in turn would mean that players on this forum have not had to experience the grind in its entirety, or not for a very long time at least.

I know, but you can't dismiss "old" player opinions because many of them were new and free and went through the "grind" also, they also went through it when it was much longer and harder.

Just because I'm a founder doesn't mean I didn't grind.
I got no free mechs
I got 10k MC
Premium time

I never spent a single MC or any premium time until years into the game.
I didn't have any free mechs or bonuses to my earnings
I ground up just like any other free player, I just had a pretty badge to go with it.

I experienced the grind (during a much longer and harder grind) all the way through. I never popped my premium time, I never spent my MC, I didn't spend any more money until I bought my Bmaster pack.

That's what I mean, just because someone has been here for a while doesn't mean they didn't experience the grind and the grind now is MUCH better and easier than it was then

Edited by Sandpit, 01 December 2015 - 04:08 PM.