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[takkom]

Since limited weapon module slots promote boating wouldn't it make more sense to allow installation of more modules? Maybe the bonus would increase for mixing weapon types too...


I'm sure there could be cool but not overwhelmingly complicated ideas to push this even further. Share ideas!

[MechaBattler]

I like the idea of the more diverse the weapons you have, the bigger the bonus. Even if it doesn't make much sense that it would.

[zagibu]

I once suggested to expand the module system, basically turning it into customizable quirks. You could then balance the mechs by giving out different numbers and types of module slots.

This was suggested to remove the loadout lock-in that happens from current chassis quirks.

[Simbacca]

I would prefer that weapon modules be eliminated entirely. Instead players could purchase different "brands" of a weapon. Take the medium laser for example. Brand A is the usual medium laser. Brand B has 12% additional range, however it does have a disadvantage. Brand C has the faster refresh rate, but a disadvantage.

This would help to eliminate the issue of stacking modules (range and refresh rate) for a single weapon type. This would not adversely affect boating - but what it would force players to make a choice in their load outs.

Edited by Simbacca, 29 November 2015 - 03:27 PM.

[LordNothing]

id hate all the effort i put into unlocking and purchasing modules to go away, but im fast running out of things to spend gxp on. i kinda want to see more modules with little or no change to the module slots. i would however like underperformers to get extra slots, and then have one slot for select modules that reflect the stock build, (for example a cent would get a slot strictly for autocannon modules, or a raven might get an extra sensor module slot). these would replace rather than stack with quirks. im of the opinoin that quirks should be for the mech and not the weapons.

[Gorgeous Randy Flamethrower]

Weapons Modules should be gained as you put different weapons systems on...

Mech has...

3 LPL and some meds - One Slot On mech to start and Two extras for the Weapons systems. So you can take a LPL Cooldown and a Medium range and then pick a LPL range or a Medium Cooldown if the mech allows it.

Have a Fs9 with all SPL lasers- 2 Weapons Slots

Lets say you like to be a mixed loadout pilot...

Atlas with AC20, Medium Lasers SRM6 and SRM4's - 5 modules slots for Weapons.

This is in my opinion a way to make it a decision...boat and be good at one thing. Mix you loadout and maybe be good at a few things. Keeps mechs like light and such with there one trick pony roles they are often good at (Close range laser boat, Narc Mech, etc.) But allows an atlas or other mechs to be proficient at killing things that get close and maybe even launching its guns far to stop enemies at range.

i just see it as more diversity, but they have used it currently as a balancing mechanic before quirks were even a big thing.

[FupDup]

I still want AC/2 cooldown modules.

[adamts01]

Simbacca, on 29 November 2015 - 03:26 PM, said:

I would prefer that weapon modules be eliminated entirely. Instead players could purchase different "brands" of a weapon. Take the medium laser for example. Brand A is the usual medium laser. Brand B has 12% additional range, however it does have a disadvantage. Brand C has the faster refresh rate, but a disadvantage.

This would help to eliminate the issue of stacking modules (range and refresh rate) for a single weapon type. This would not adversely affect boating - but what it would force players to make a choice in their load outs.

It's hard enough for PGI to balance Clan lasers with IS lasers. We don't need more thrown in to the mix.

[Chuanhao]

I would rather not change the module dynamic

I treat it as user defined quirks. Hence it should not be too many.

Mechs like DDC have less module slots because it has ECM, which also limited its actual quirks. But I rather not go there.

What I would like are more module options.

But anyway, weapon modules are SOOOOO expensive, I only get them on 50% sale. I don't play well enough to need that extra 12.5% to make a difference. I rather spend it on more seismic / Zoom (and maybe Decay / Radar Derp) for all my CW mechs

Other than cooldown and range, I would like all the other quirk variations as modules - lower heat gen, tighter spread, faster lock, better twist speed / angle etc

[Raggedyman]

takkom, on 29 November 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

Since limited weapon module slots promote boating wouldn't it make more sense to allow installation of more modules? Maybe the bonus would increase for mixing weapon types too...


I'm sure there could be cool but not overwhelmingly complicated ideas to push this even further. Share ideas!

I'm not convinced they promote boating, as that was around before the modules. It's also hard in a light or medium not to boat, due to the lack of space available, so any change would either be neutral or detrimental to half of the weight classes.

There is also the problem that adding more module slots is a massive boost to those in the end game and have spare CBills lying around. If you add in one extra slot that's more GXP and CBills needed, by everyone, to get their mech up to "competitive" standing, so expect a lot of butts to be kicked whilst people take the now longer march to fully speced.

[Sandpit]

I fail to see how modules "encourage" boating. Modules don't encourage boating, they simply allow a player to customize a specific weapon for a VERY minor boost in heat or range. Players are encouraged to boat by mechanics, weapon balance, hardpoint placements, hitboxes, sometimes it's a simple as not having a mouse with 8 buttons on it and not being able to coordinate a keyboard and mouse extremely well so having 1-2 weapon groups is much more convenient.

Modules are far too expensive to be much of a factor for the slight boost you get. I own MAYBE 3 or so weapon modules and use none of them. I've never used them. They have zero impact on choosing my mech and design purposes.

[Coolant]

Have only 2 weapon modules max and add a few more mech-only module slots. Or give the option for a 3rd weapon module but penalize them if they choose it. Maybe 3 extra module slots available if non-weapon but only 1 module total if weapon.

I would love to use seismic, radar dep, target info gathering, advance target delay, hill climb and shock absorbance and would give up 2 weapon modules to carry that many. Some mech modules just don't get used. Give us the opportunity to use them!

[jss78]

Wasn't there a recent rebalance-related PTS run where many mechs actually DID have more module slots? Any word on that, I wonder -- I gather it's not part of what's going live tomorrow?

I agree it'd be a good and simple way to incentivize mixed loadouts.

[Lostdragon]

More module slots won't get people to take a variety of weapons. You would just see backup weapons get modules instead of only primary. Boating weapons doesn't work because modules make it good, boating is good because it is simpler to manage and provides more pinpoint accuracy than mixed loadouts.

[Felicitatem Parco]

It is unquestionable - the current weapon module system encourages users to mount a single type of weapon system, or depend on a single weapon system for the vast majority of their damage output.

It is unquestionable - the current Ghost Heat system encourages users to mount a variety of weapons.


"I'm hot. No, I'm cold."
"Im hungry for ice cream. Look at how fat I am."

You know what this reminds me of?



We should remove weapon modules, and replace them with weapon "Adjustment Sliders" that let you tune your weapons in terms of range, decide rate, etc.

Adjustments should cost CBills and require GXP to unlock the sliders. Tuning changes should be made on a per-chassis basis. That way you have to tune each Mech, and not take your tuned Lasers with you from Mech to Mech.

[Revis Volek]

Prosperity Park, on 30 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

It is unquestionable - the current weapon module system encourages users to mount a single type of weapon system, or depend on a single weapon system for the vast majority of their damage output.

It is unquestionable - the current Ghost Heat system encourages users to mount a variety of weapons.


"I'm hot. No, I'm cold."
"Im hungry for ice cream. Look at how fat I am."

You know what this reminds me of?



We should remove weapon modules, and replace them with weapon "Adjustment Sliders" that let you tune your weapons in terms of range, decide rate, etc.

Adjustments should cost CBills and require GXP to unlock the sliders. Tuning changes should be made on a per-chassis basis. That way you have to tune each Mech, and not take your tuned Lasers with you from Mech to Mech.

Id also rather see it like this...

Rather then Modules i can use on any mech id rather invest the 1mill or 3 mill for my Fs9-H to be mo betta with Medium Lasers.....

SO i unlock some range sliders and maybe get the cooldown even lower...but it would be THAT mech and THAT mech ONLY that had the access to that tech. Because i tuned and built the mech from the ground up basising it off that tech.

Should also make PGI happy as its a huge cbill sink. Want multiple mechs of the same variant with different loadouts...well then better pony up for them.