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[Bishop Steiner]

0bsidion, on 30 November 2015 - 10:11 AM, said:

I've been running Cicadas since they announced we'd be getting a loyalty variant. They can be fun, but they're so fragile they seem like glorified lights instead of mediums. As several others including myself have noted, it's basically the IS Shadowcat. I like them because I can bring 2 CDAs and 2 Stalkers in my drop deck to CW. If nothing else, at least the 3M brings ECM to the table.

I am more of an assault guy than anything else, really. I have to admit seeing so many recommendations for the Misery is definitely influencing my decision.


That is a pretty neat trailer, and ballistics is one thing I felt was missing on my other stalkers. I'm not sure if I'd stick with the Gauss, though.


I did enjoy my Battlemasters, but I was disappointed the Hellslinger didn't have any ballistic mounts. Still, most of the Stalkers are in the same boat, I suppose. On the other hand, I don't own any other Battlemasters on my IS account so I'd have to save up a substantial amount to remedy that, where as I'm already well entrenched in the Stalker department.


My playstyle depends on a lot of things, but many times during a match I'm doing all of the above at one point as the match progresses. That is, if I'm in a mech that is versatile enough to handle it.

My aim is better some days than others. I managed to hit a light in the air with a Gauss rifle the other day, but yesterday I couldn't seem to hit a bloody thing with my AC 20 unless it was right in front of me.

ac10/ac20 works well.

I think my current build is a 300std, ac10, 2xPPC (top hardpoints) 3x Mlasers. MISERY
I find it effective, anyhow

[0bsidion]

Ultimatum X, on 30 November 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:

Misery.

The Grid Iron is going to be all but irrelevant once the PTS changes go live (quirks being reduced, Gauss itself also being nerfed), and is barely worth it now.

I know, but I hate to base my decision on quirks. If we've been shown anything, it's that quirks can change for better or worse. One thing about the GI that appeals to me is that it is the only Hunchie that has a ballistics, missile, AND energy mounts.

Edited by 0bsidion, 30 November 2015 - 10:39 AM.

[Clownwarlord]

I own the X5 which is fun mech but because of current meta not that great. As for the others I do not have and probably will not get because they will most likely get nerfed in the future if not near future.

This sale I kept is simple and got the Arrow and Peanut Butter (Pirates Bane).

[Ultimax]

0bsidion, on 30 November 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

I know, but I hate to base my decision on quirks. If we've been shown anything, it's that quirks can change for better or worse. One thing about the GI that appeals to me is that it is the only Hunchie that has a ballistics, missile, AND energy mounts.

The Grid Iron is only good because of quirks, if you want to take quirks out of the picture then you shouldn't touch the Grid Iron with a 10ft pole.

[Bud Crue]

I still say that if the OP has all of the Stalkers already then you don't gain much with the Misery other than the option to run a single ballistic. I agree that the Misery is the best assault hero, I just think that given his circumstances he won't gain much from the purchase, game play-wise.

I am actually in a similar situation as the OP. I have some MC and was thinking of using it to buy some champions or hero and then realized that the only reason I was considering the purchase was due to my stash of MC and the fact that there is a sale. We can't act as educated consumers though, since we have no idea what the ACTUAL quirks will be, even if the PTS-4 is a hint, there is no guarantee there. I've never bought anything without having a pretty good idea of what I was buying, and I think that holds true here as well. So I have decided to hold off spending any MC for now. My guess is that after Steam but before xmas we will see a large ALL mech sale. At that time then we can make a more educated decision and buy whatever we want, not just hero or champion builds.

All that said...on the flip side, one must also account for the fact the the Misery has a cool name and looks bad-ass in game.

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 November 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

ac10/ac20 works well.

I think my current build is a 300std, ac10, 2xPPC (top hardpoints) 3x Mlasers. MISERY
I find it effective, anyhow

I toyed with the idea of running PPCs on my other Stalkers, as they seem to be good candidates for them, but I didn't have the funds for it at the time, so it got put on the backburner and forgotten. After the recent event though, it might be worth revisiting, since it allowed me to line my pockets with c-bills.

clownwarlord, on 30 November 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

I own the X5 which is fun mech but because of current meta not that great. As for the others I do not have and probably will not get because they will most likely get nerfed in the future if not near future.

This sale I kept is simple and got the Arrow and Peanut Butter (Pirates Bane).

I don't really concern myself with the meta, and my PSR has been going more up than down, so it doesn't seem to be hurting me too much. It's good to know the X5 is fun though, that part is important to me.

Ultimatum X, on 30 November 2015 - 10:43 AM, said:

The Grid Iron is only good because of quirks, if you want to take quirks out of the picture then you shouldn't touch the Grid Iron with a 10ft pole.

But why though? I've run a couple hunchie variants, and they seem to do OK. Granted, that experience is tainted by quirks. I could go with an AC/20 instead of a gauss. What's different about the GI other than the hardpoints that makes it so bad in and of itself?

Bud Crue, on 30 November 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

I still say that if the OP has all of the Stalkers already then you don't gain much with the Misery other than the option to run a single ballistic. I agree that the Misery is the best assault hero, I just think that given his circumstances he won't gain much from the purchase, game play-wise.

I am actually in a similar situation as the OP. I have some MC and was thinking of using it to buy some champions or hero and then realized that the only reason I was considering the purchase was due to my stash of MC and the fact that there is a sale. We can't act as educated consumers though, since we have no idea what the ACTUAL quirks will be, even if the PTS-4 is a hint, there is no guarantee there. I've never bought anything without having a pretty good idea of what I was buying, and I think that holds true here as well. So I have decided to hold off spending any MC for now. My guess is that after Steam but before xmas we will see a large ALL mech sale. At that time then we can make a more educated decision and buy whatever we want, not just hero or champion builds.

All that said...on the flip side, one must also account for the fact the the Misery has a cool name and looks bad-ass in game.

Well no, I don't have all the Stalkers, I have a set of 3 in order to be able to master them. But yes, you do outline why this is a dilemma for me. While the Misery brings something unique to the table, it is more of a luxury than the GI would be, because the GI would complete a 3 set of Hunchies. The X-5 is mostly just icing on my CDA cake at this point as well.

Edited by 0bsidion, 30 November 2015 - 11:12 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

0bsidion, on 30 November 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

I know, but I hate to base my decision on quirks. If we've been shown anything, it's that quirks can change for better or worse. One thing about the GI that appeals to me is that it is the only Hunchie that has a ballistics, missile, AND energy mounts.

Yeah, but a single missile rack is all but useless. And to mount a semi effective (situationally) one, like an LRM15, precludes a heavy ballistic. And they just don't synergize well. If it had 2 missile racks (which I begged russ for, as more useful than 2 ballistics in one location on a 50 tonner)

I always felt the design of the Grid Iron was poorly thought out. If I wanted B+M, I would have designed the base GI with 3xMLs, 2xSRM4 and an LB-10X. GRID IRON Mind you the aSRM6 is a placeholder for 2xSRM4. At least the weapons sync well.

But the a single missile rack on a "gauss sniper"? Nearly worthless.

0bsidion, on 30 November 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

I toyed with the idea of running PPCs on my other Stalkers, as they seem to be good candidates for them, but I didn't have the funds for it at the time, so it got put on the backburner and forgotten. After the recent event though, it might be worth revisiting, since it allowed me to line my pockets with c-bills.


I don't really concern myself with the meta, and my PSR has been going more up than down, so it doesn't seem to be hurting me too much. It's good to know the X5 is fun though, that part is important to me.

But why though? I've run a couple hunchie variants, and they seem to do OK. Granted, that experience is tainted by quirks. I could go with an AC/20 instead of a gauss. What's different about the GI other than the hardpoints that makes it so bad in and of itself?

It's the hodgepodge hardpoints that do make it bad. The missile rack is essentially useless. In few cases are single racks worth anything. And any multiballistic build you can put on it, you can run on a free HBK, so the 2x Ballistics are no real appeal. Really, before quirks, most people ran them as HBK-4Gs, ac20, 3xMLs, to get the 30% Cbill bonus. I never did because I had the Founders HBK.

It's hardpoints are poorly planned.

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 November 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

Yeah, but a single missile rack is all but useless. And to mount a semi effective (situationally) one, like an LRM15, precludes a heavy ballistic. And they just don't synergize well. If it had 2 missile racks (which I begged russ for, as more useful than 2 ballistics in one location on a 50 tonner)

I always felt the design of the Grid Iron was poorly thought out. If I wanted B+M, I would have designed the base GI with 3xMLs, 2xSRM4 and an LB-10X. GRID IRON Mind you the aSRM6 is a placeholder for 2xSRM4. At least the weapons sync well.

But the a single missile rack on a "gauss sniper"? Nearly worthless.


It's the hodgepodge hardpoints that do make it bad. The missile rack is essentially useless. In few cases are single racks worth anything. And any multiballistic build you can put on it, you can run on a free HBK, so the 2x Ballistics are no real appeal. Really, before quirks, most people ran them as HBK-4Gs, ac20, 3xMLs, to get the 30% Cbill bonus. I never did because I had the Founders HBK.

It's hardpoints are poorly planned.

Ah, OK, that makes sense. I don't have the Founders HBK, and I'm not sure I'd mind running it like a 4G, so that doesn't necessarily kill it for me in and of itself.

[Sjorpha]

The Misery is an amazing assault base chassis and will see you through any quirk changes as it doesn't need them to be good, it's also unique among the Stalkers and can do things the others can't.

Grid Iron is basically just a hunchback with a silly strong quirk, I'm not too fond of gimmicky mechs like that.

The X5 I can't speak to, no idea how it plays.

[DAYLEET]

The X5 is getting a pretty big manoeuvrability boost. It used to be just right for me, ill see how i accommodate turning faster while shooting, probably not good lol. The big nerf the CDA have is the 3F has 8jj and playing the others is not as tempting anymore even my 3m.

oh thats right, mech should be slower with the new patch and less basic/elite buff, i should love my x5 again!

Edited by DAYLEET, 30 November 2015 - 01:40 PM.

[Adamski]

The new quirks on the CDA-X5 are going to make it the best ERLL sniper in the game with a 978m optimal, 15% heatgen and 10% cooldown.

[Ghogiel]

Gi is likely getting nerfed pretty hard in the form of 20% less cooldown on its regular gauss quirk AND the huge general gauss cooldown nerf

[Xetelian]

Misery = Best Hero by introducing a ballistic slot to the STK chassis.

GI has great quirks but those could be taken away so its a little riskier

X5 is acceptable.

[Troutmonkey]

The Misery was my first real money purchase, and is still my most played mech with one of the highest K/D ratios.
It was good before quirks and will continue to be good as high mounted arms and good hitboxes never go out of fashion. I run AC20 + 2xLPL on the left side and 2xML on the right with a STD280

I also own the X-5 and it's fun little brawler, but not all that special as it's essentially a bigger Jenner-D without JJ's. Cicada's are probably my favourite chassis after Stalkers

Edited by Troutmonkey, 30 November 2015 - 07:22 PM.

[Tuis Ryche]

Don't waste your money on any hero mechs cuz whatever you get is going to get faceplanted into the ground.

[0bsidion]

I decided to go with the Misery. After so many recommendations for it and I already know I like Stalkers, how could I not? I didn't spend much time in it, but even before basics it still feels pretty solid.

Bishop Steiner, on 30 November 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

ac10/ac20 works well.

I think my current build is a 300std, ac10, 2xPPC (top hardpoints) 3x Mlasers. MISERY
I find it effective, anyhow

I gave that a shot last night, and it worked well enough. Funny how putting a 300 in a Stalker makes it seem speedy, even though it's slogging along at 55 kph. I usually don't put anything heavier than a 275 in my Stalkers.

I'm going to experiment with some other builds when I have time, as I'm curious how it does with a Gauss, especially after the nerfs. Heat is always an issue for my Stalkers, so a long range, heavy hitting ballistic weapon with negligible heat cost hasn't lost its appeal, even though something as small as 1 second can seem like an eternity when you need to fire right now.

Anyway, thanks everyone for your input.