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[Dee Eight]

I have all the hunchies except the 4H (the AC10 quirked one) and that's mainly because a 4G builds with the AC10 better than the 4H does as you get more range and velocity. Anyway, unless you own multiple grid irons its pointless to build them in other than a gauss setup, and then the only smart alternative is AC/2s or an LB-10 both of which shoot further and do more dps. Remember it only has ballistic cooldown and gauss cooldown whereas the 4G has ballistic cooldown, ac20 cooldown, ballistic velocity and ballistic range. If BALLISTICS is your goal on the hunchback platform, except for the combined gauss cooldown rate of the grid iron, the 4G is the go-to chassis for everything. A 4G with AC2s for example, boosts their velocity to 2500, range to 900, and the cooldown becomes 0.612. Stick in a range module, run an XL engine and three of them... and you're doing 6 points of damage, at 972 meters for 1.8 heat. A gauss rifle at that distance from a grid iron is doing about 8 points of damage. Except the AC2s will fire 4 more times before the gauss gets to shoot again.

Edited by Dee Eight, 25 December 2016 - 07:25 AM.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

2AC5 gridiron is better than gauss IMO.
It's got decent mounts and superb generics.

The single gauss is rather underwhelming now.

Also, no need to do XL for a 3AC2 HBK-4G.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0124f3fd5bbceff

Or you can drop a ton and some more armour to get upto a STD215 or 220.

Edited by Keshav Murali, 26 December 2016 - 07:09 AM.

[Ruccus]

Keshav Murali, on 26 December 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

2AC5 gridiron is better than gauss IMO.
It's got decent mounts and superb generics.

The single gauss is rather underwhelming now.

Also, no need to do XL for a 3AC2 HBK-4G.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0124f3fd5bbceff

Or you can drop a ton and some more armour to get upto a STD215 or 220.

Yes, when I got my free Grid Iron I tried it as a gauss sniper and didn't like it, tried it with an AC20 and it was good but the 4G does the AC20 build better so it's redundant, then I tried the 2xAC5 build and have stuck with it. It's a solid mech regardless of what map you drop on, and isn't out of place whether the match becomes a sniping standoff or a close up brawl.

[Hawk819]

Ruccus, on 27 December 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Yes, when I got my free Grid Iron I tried it as a gauss sniper and didn't like it, tried it with an AC20 and it was good but the 4G does the AC20 build better so it's redundant, then I tried the 2xAC5 build and have stuck with it. It's a solid mech regardless of what map you drop on, and isn't out of place whether the match becomes a sniping standoff or a close up brawl.

I'm in total agreement. It does better with an AC than with the Gauss, and yes, the 4G and 4H variants do the AC/10 and AC/20> If I had designed this hero, I'd have gone with UAC/5, SRM+Artemis-6 x2, and 4 Medium Lasers. Seeing as to how I didn't, well. . .

It does have its weaknesses, and also, it strengths as well. What those are, I've not had time to figure them out. Hopefully, I will get to that asap.

[PFC Carsten]

Scanz, on 30 November 2015 - 11:20 PM, said:

THE PROBLEM IS THE POEOPLE WHO WANT PLAY GI AND SHOOT GAUSS FAST LIKE MACHINE GUNS!
15DMG WITH NO HEAT !

That was it's USP. No quirks, no sell.

[Mochyn Pupur]

I find the most responsive load out is a twin AC5 (with cool down module) and 3 x ML (with range module) plus Radar Derp and Zoom - third module varies dependant on requirement in CW, but tends to be Target Info so you can focus in on weakened armour. Run this with a 250xl which is rarely the cause for being destroyed in most matches. Tried the Gauss and AC20 versions and found it too slow to keep up a steady barrage of damage.

[Burning2nd]

false statement

you ether cant run it,

dont know how to configure it
Or
are trying to run a meta build

[Nightbird]

I have two Grid Irons, they are not used... ever

[Dee Eight]

I just reconfigured my spare G.I. to dual AC5, 3SL, 275XL, 11DHS. Only 4.5 tons of ammo but the sucker hauls around fast to different firing positions and just the ACs doesn't overheat.

[WVAnonymous]

Dee Eight, on 05 January 2017 - 09:52 PM, said:

I just reconfigured my spare G.I. to dual AC5, 3SL, 275XL, 11DHS. Only 4.5 tons of ammo but the sucker hauls around fast to different firing positions and just the ACs doesn't overheat.

Why not 6 tons of ammo with no lasers? You want to live forever?

WV

[Dee Eight]

I don't believe in building mechs without backup weapons. Its just an experimental build anyway. I'd much rather run an LB10 on it. Same damage as dual 5s but weighs less and shoots further for less heat.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

LB10s shoot further?

[Dee Eight]

IS ones do. And the spread is actually useful at extended ranges. A handful of shots and you can pickup 12 assists against the entire enemy team (assuming your team manages to then kill them all).

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

540m is not farther than 620m. SMH

Effective range of LBX10s are in the 300s as well.

LBXs are a totally different class of weapons compared to AC5s. They're better at close range because of the crit potential, while AC5s are far better beyond 500m.

[Dee Eight]

I consider 1620 meters as being further than 1240.... now maybe whatever math you were taught was different.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

I don't really consider a max range when you blanket half the map an effective range.

You cannot really get all the 10 pellets on one mech beyond 500 metres with an LBX10.

On the contrary, your AC5s fly faster and hit where they're supposed to.

If we're arguing semantics over the max range where you can do 10^-3 points of damage, I'm game.

[Dee Eight]

It doesn't spread that much. And 50m/sec faster projectile velocity really isn't anything to write home about. I would much rather actually HIT the target than worry about pinpoint damage with the weapon that misses more often. And at close range, which you seem to think is all they're good for, it barely spreads at all so all the damage is to one component location. Then its 10 damage for 2 heat for 11 tons / 6 crit spaces of autocannon vs with 10 damage for 3 heat for 16 tons / 8 crit spaces of autocannon (and 2 shots of ammo) with a pair of AC5s.

AC/20 133 3,056 1,715 56.12% 13:17:55 34,242

AC/2 334 80,237 33,685 41.98% 1 day 12:30:25 66,049

AC/5 176 21,114 8,101 38.37% 19:00:36 39,400

AC/10 125 3,013 1,477 49.02% 13:01:51 14,874

GAUSS RIFLE 97 2,817 1,440 51.12% 12:14:34 19,434

LB 10-X AC 361 17,855 10,096 56.54% 1 day 12:44:23 69,482

MACHINE GUN 576 445,874 214,910 48.20% 2 days 11:42:05 20,777

ULTRA AC/5 106 12,129 4,839 39.90% 10:27:12 24,324

Edited by Dee Eight, 09 January 2017 - 07:59 AM.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

We are arguing the difference between




The AC5 is pinpoint damage. The LBX is most certainly not, at anything beyond half its optimal range.

As for those stats:
I use a wireless mouse at medium sensitivity, no DPI options.
AC5 accuracy - 63.02%
LB 10-X "accuracy" - 76.04%
C-UAC20 - 79.9%

Yet, the C-UAC20 is the worst weapon of the bunch, and I don't even run it anymore.

Far prefer 2AC5 over a single LBX10 in 90% of situations. The LBX only gets me more bang for buck up close.

[Dee Eight]

Well you play your builds, and I'll play mine.

[Zergling]

Focused damage is absolutely superior to spread damage, no argument about it.

While twin AC5 does weigh more than a single LBX10, it is certainly far superior. Even twin AC2 is superior to a single LBX10.

Edited by Zergling, 10 January 2017 - 12:15 AM.