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[chimmy]

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

This is hardly an unusual occurrence either. I've got plenty of 1v1 brawls vs 5SS's and SPL/SRM Timbies as well with the 1v1 variant as well.

Can confirm, have gotten rekt by Odin in his dual gauss timby while I was in a brawler.

[Tarogato]

Gas Guzzler, on 03 December 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

You are really selling me on that dual Gauss Timber Wolf right now. I should give it more of a chance.

Welllllll, after the cooldown nerf, it won't be so impressive. Might still be able to work, but that cooldown hurts.

[Dock Steward]

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

You're just another pubby from a trash tier unit crying because something got brought into line.

I'm no forum moderator, but this comment seemed pretty unnecessary. And you said it twice. You had plenty of concrete evidence to support your claim, why did you take it there? Twice?

[old man odin]

Dock Steward, on 03 December 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

I'm no forum moderator, but this comment seemed pretty unnecessary. And you said it twice. You had plenty of concrete evidence to support your claim, why did you take it there? Twice?

Three times, pretty sure I asked him not to be a minda or something just because he's in RRB on the first page. Why? If you're going to be throwing bollocks like "well obviously you're lying about playing gauss!" you need to be slapped down like the punk you are. You've already brought the discussion away from being civil. Sitting behind 'well it's not a direct insult' is such bollocks.

Gas Guzzler, on 03 December 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

You are really selling me on that dual Gauss Timber Wolf right now. I should give it more of a chance.

There was a reason 2G/2ML was used heavily the Heavy 1v1s awhile back (losing to a hacking 5SS in the end).

It's only okay now. The erML nerfs + the gauss nerfs mean it's no longer the top mid-range DPS heavy. I've yet to see how the meta settles, but in a straight comparison to stock laser vomit I still think it wins out. In the end it depends on how well you place the gauss as you've only got 600 damage potential of ammo (1020 before you run out of ammo, assuming you place lasers on target as well).

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

You're pissed because someone DARE call into question the BS you're spreading...

Yeah, just don't brawl with it. Regardless of the leg quirks, they're still ridiculously easy to take out in a close in brawl, and while you're pew-pewing between gauss shots, your legs will be removed.

Mate, you're the only one spreading bollocks. This thread has testimony from other people on the fact I play it, screenshots, where you can find videos of it as well as hard numbers on these builds. Which you've ignored. You've only spewed "NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!" crap to defend your position. You brought this down to jabs, but at least I had the decency to bring in evidence as well.

Get lost kid. I've got nothing to prove here.

P.S. Neither mech gets leg quirks. Have you even run these mechs before? ^/s

Edited by Odins Steed, 03 December 2015 - 10:20 AM.

[chimmy]

There's only one way to settle this, trial by combat.

[El Bandito]

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

<sigh>

Ok, so did you actually manage to kill an ENEMY with the gauss?

And how well did the gauss do while you were brawling lights? How'd that go in your LRM/gauss build?

I managed to brawl kill a spawn camping Arctic Cheetah with a Dual Gauss Jager, so there is that. Just gotta keep calm and aim for the legs.

I am personally glad for once in a blue moon that PGI does not do balancing solely based on forum posts. Gauss still does its job as a heatless (well, one) long range PPFLD weapon. It is now worse at brawls but that's what small lasers are for.

Edited by El Bandito, 03 December 2015 - 10:27 AM.

[P00rDecisions]

sycocys, on 03 December 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

Even managed to kill a teammate with it when I forgot it was on the left arm.

Bwuahahaha!

[sycocys]

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

<sigh>

Ok, so did you actually manage to kill an ENEMY with the gauss?

And how well did the gauss do while you were brawling lights? How'd that go in your LRM/gauss build?

I actually killed 2 enemies in that same match. 1 medium or heavy which was a combo of Guass and LRM45, which got the killing blow I don't know.
The other was a Cheeta at less than 100m, took 3-4 shots to get through the last of its armor and smush the internals but it worked out.

Didn't really bother me at all how it worked out. Zues is reasonably fast and has a giant arm to cushion damage while the guass recharges if mechs get under LRM range. Also 2 ML just to make them twist about so they can't keep damage 100% up or know right when the guass is about to drop.

My overall opinion is that it will make guass a mixed loadout weapon, probably single carry that is still quite dangerous but mixed in with more weapons that will actually make mechs far more powerful overall.

* I should probably also note that I did that with the new (L) Zues, which I haven't even gotten half the basics on yet - because that does factor into play concerning twisting and tracking mechs.

Edited by sycocys, 03 December 2015 - 10:40 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Three times, pretty sure I asked him not to be a minda or something just because he's in RRB on the first page. Why? If you're going to be throwing bollocks like &quot;well obviously you're lying about playing gauss!&quot; you need to be slapped down like the punk you are. You've already brought the discussion away from being civil. Sitting behind 'well it's not a direct insult' is such bollocks.

Yeah, pretty much everything you said about gauss was opposite of the other Australians of spoken with in game about it.

So yeah, until I see you play from your cockpit what you're doing, I'm calling it ********.

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In the end it depends on how well you place the gauss as you've only got 600 damage potential of ammo (1020 before you run out of ammo, assuming you place lasers on target as well).

Ok so you're only loading 4 tons of gauss ammo, there's an answer to a question.

Thank you.

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Mate, you're the only one spreading bollocks. This thread has testimony from other people on the fact I play it, screenshots, where you can find videos of it as well as hard numbers on these builds. Which you've ignored. You've only spewed &quot;NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!&quot; crap to defend your position. You brought this down to jabs, but at least I had the decency to bring in evidence as well.

Again, screenshots show EOM results, not what you did or specifically what your 'mech was loaded out with to get that score, or even WHEN that match was played, post nerf/pre-nerf? How are we to tell all that from a single screen shot?

Vids from OTHER people's cockpits don't show your target selection process, aiming tendencies, whether or not you favor hill humping, what you did if/when you actually had to brawl, none of that.

If you don't record from your own cockpit just say so, but just because someone else has vids that you're in doesn't tell us really anything about how you're doing so well, what servers you were on, what your opponents were doing.

I want all the little details that make out the big picture, not just big words from you and other third party people not doing the same themselves.

As far as your 'jabs', whatever was done that makes you feel obligated to strike out, "I" did it, not the RRB. You can take your 'jabs' and deliver them to your mums arse, for all I care, the point is I'm calling into question the veracity of your statements and want video proof taken from your cockpit showing you battling, POST nerf, to see how you're doing what you say you're doing.

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Get lost kid. I've got nothing to prove here.

To me you do.

Whether or not you feel obligated to prove it, hey, I grant absolutely you're not, and if you don't want to fine, but STFU about how great you are post nerf without being able to provide proof from your cockpit to back it up.

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P.S. Neither mech gets leg quirks. Have you even run these mechs before? ^/s

You missed my point, or are choosing to do so that you can score some other imagined zinger on me, whatever, the point is, in the builds posted those legs were awfully weak, and certainly any brawler worth his salt is going to know the quickest way to take out a clanner is to shoot the legs.

[Obadiah333]

The cooldown on the gauss is ridiculously over-long. This weapon is no longer valid. I have removed it from every build I had it on.

Did it need a nerf? Yeah, a small one. Did PGI overkill a gnat with an 80 pound mallet? Yep, par for the course. Thanks Obama.

[old man odin]

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

Yeah, pretty much everything you said about gauss was opposite of the other Australians of spoken with in game about it.

Good for you buddy, have a gold star. I'm sure those quality players in RRB that are in an entirely different timezone to you tested it thoroughly while making sure you were informed of all their findings.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

Ok so you're only loading 4 tons of gauss ammo, there's an answer to a question.

You know, the answer you had on the last page when Tarogato was kind enough to give a write up.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

Again, screenshots show EOM results, not what you did or specifically what your 'mech was loaded out with to get that score, or even WHEN that match was played, post nerf/pre-nerf? How are we to tell all that from a single screen shot?

Mate, it's exactly the build I've been talking about this entire time. Given it's from MRBC it's obviously from pre-nerf. Take a breath and at least think these posts out a bit.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

Vids from OTHER people's cockpits don't show your target selection process, aiming tendencies, whether or not you favor hill humping, what you did if/when you actually had to brawl, none of that.

If you don't record from your own cockpit just say so, but just because someone else has vids that you're in doesn't tell us really anything about how you're doing so well, what servers you were on, what your opponents were doing.

For what it's worth, it would show my own cockpit (significantly, being the only one alive), what servers I'm on (hint; the screenshot does as well, I'm sub-200 ping as an Aussie) and even if it didn't show my cockpit it would show it was a brawl. I always joked being a paste eater was a requirement for RRB but I still didn't expect I'd have to spell everything out for one of you guys.

And no, I don't record from my own cockpit. One of the joys of being Australian is large swaths of horrible network infrastructure. You should have seen how long it took just to upload the screenshot.

But in the end all those things are irrelevant. I'm not trying to teach you how to play the game (honestly seems like a lost cause), and they don't negate any of the numbers put up. It was purely to tell you to shove your 'well I doubt you even play bollocks' back where it belongs, which all the testimony has done just as well.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

As far as your 'jabs', whatever was done that makes you feel obligated to strike out, "I" did it, not the RRB. You can take your 'jabs' and deliver them to your mums arse, for all I care, the point is I'm calling into question the veracity of your statements and want video proof taken from your cockpit showing you battling, POST nerf, to see how you're doing what you say you're doing.

Mate, you represent your unit. You go as far as waving their name around in your sig. You reflect on them just as they reflect on you. Own up to it.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

To me you do.

Whether or not you feel obligated to prove it, hey, I grant absolutely you're not, and if you don't want to fine, but STFU about how great you are post nerf without being able to provide proof from your cockpit to back it up.

So where are your recordings, hot shot? You've gone on about how your Gauss prowess and questioned other peoples practice when they've disagreed with you. Stop being a hipocrit and man up.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

You missed my point, or are choosing to do so that you can score some other imagined zinger on me, whatever, the point is, in the builds posted those legs were awfully weak, and certainly any brawler worth his salt is going to know the quickest way to take out a clanner is to shoot the legs.

Do you huff paint between these posts or something? Combined leg HP is 180 vs 126 for the CT on the EBJ at max armor, for example. Even stripped to 40 armor it's 140. That's both front and rear armor, by the way. Not only that but you've got to deal with less favorable damage transfer on the legs (goes to ST rather than the other leg), smaller hitboxes, the fact that the animation moves these components significantly more and leg shielding.

For what it's worth, when we're coming up against a team that has the same delusion you seem to have we do have variants.

Edited by Odins Steed, 03 December 2015 - 11:31 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Good for you buddy, have a gold star. I'm sure those quality players in RRB that are in an entirely different timezone to you tested it thoroughly while making sure you were informed of all their findings.

I've discussed it with a LOT of Australians and Eurozone players from many units.

You're the first to be such an absolute {LT-MOB-25} about it though.

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You know, the answer you had on the last page when Tarogato was kind enough to give a write up.

Mate, it's exactly the build I've been talking about this entire time. Given it's from MRBC it's obviously from pre-nerf. Take a breath and at least think these posts out a bit.

Exactly, I didn't want to call you out on your posted results I thought it'd be a bit quick to have screenshots and vids, though not impossible.

PRE-nerf, yeah I have no doubt that you could do well with any dual gauss build with sufficient ammo and played appropriately. I know that I've done very well in all of mine, prior to this last nerf.

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For what it's worth, it would show my own cockpit (significantly, being the only one alive), what servers I'm on (hint; the screenshot does as well, I'm sub-200 ping as an Aussie) and even if it didn't show my cockpit it would show it was a brawl. I always joked being a paste eater was a requirement for RRB but I still didn't expect I'd have to spell everything out for one of you guys.

And no, I don't record from my own cockpit. One of the joys of being Australian is large swaths of horrible network infrastructure. You should have seen how long it took just to upload the screenshot.

I'm fairly certain there are other Aussies and Euros out there that have recorded and posted vids, but if you're not interest in doing the same because it's too much bother, whatever.

It just goes that you can't provide demonstrations of your process POST nerf.

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But in the end all those things are irrelevant. I'm not trying to teach you how to play the game (honestly seems like a lost cause), and they don't negate any of the numbers put up. It was purely to tell you to shove your 'well I doubt you even play bollocks' back where it belongs, which all the testimony has done just as well.

Except that you're coming off as some kind of uber-authority on gauss, and yet all your supposed proof was PRE patch, and/or, simple screenshots, and vids from OTHER PEOPLE'S screens which don't demonstrate anything other than you were in a 'mech and got a score.

Yeah, my standard of proof is much higher than just blindly taking some down-under blowhard's word for it.

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Mate, you represent your unit. You go as far as waving their name around in your sig. You reflect on them just as they reflect on you. Own up to it.

I represent myself, anything I say or type in these forums is my own opinion.

If I were to judge by your standards your unit must be full of self-impressed blowhard *******.

Having played with/against a few in the past I know that's not true.

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So where are your recordings, hot shot? You've gone on about how your Gauss prowess and questioned other peoples practice when they've disagreed with you. Stop being a hipocrit and man up.

You're right, sorry about that, here's my YouTube Highlight channel, I haven't updated it all that recently. Haven't had time to review my records and go through the editing process, however, have fun looking it over.

I look forward to your constructive criticism:

https://www.youtube....QgB2qhP8crFo1Ec

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Do you huff paint between these posts or something? Combined leg HP is 180 vs 126 for the CT on the EBJ at max armor, for example. Even stripped to 40 armor it's 140. That's both front and rear armor, by the way. Not only that but you've got to deal with less favorable damage transfer on the legs (goes to ST rather than the other leg), smaller hitboxes, the fact that the animation moves these components significantly more and leg shielding.

Yes, the EBJ has some interesting leg construction, however, blowing away one leg slows it down, in just a few shots. Blowing away the second leg kills it, regardless of the 'less favorable damage transfer'.

The Timberwolf, of course, is just that much easier...

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For what it's worth, when we're coming up against a team that has the same delusion you seem to have we do have variants.

Goody for you.

Hopefully someone will die and can observe you and record it for posterity...

[old man odin]

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

I'm fairly certain there are other Aussies and Euros out there that have recorded and posted vids, but if you're not interest in doing the same because it's too much bother, whatever.

Mate, not to sound like a broken record, but just how much draino do you chug before opening the forums? Just because I, or even most Australians, have poor internet does not mean all do. Of course others do not have a problem posting videos. You know, like the ones in my mostly AU unit who uploaded our MRBC matches.

...and what the hell do Euro's have to do with anything?

You sound like that guy trying to explain he's not racist by saying he has black friends so it's okay.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Except that you're coming off as some kind of uber-authority on gauss,

Did I, when you started crapping the bed? Because I'm pretty sure you said this "...actually don't really believe you use it all that much..." when all I had posted was:

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

Cards on the table, I bloody love Gauss. Before the last HSR change it was about the only thing that hit reliably with my high Australian ping. The 2G/3ML Timby/EBJ builds that my unit used heavily in MRBC and Midway were my creation. Safe to say that I've got a vested interest in Gauss being good. With that said:

I think Gauss is actually in a decent place at the moment. It was ridiculously overpowered before. The damage on our Timbies was just unmatched by pretty much anything. Exceedingly heat efficient, high alpha and 30 PPFLD (headshots in comp was hilarious) with an extremely easy weapon group set up. Now the DPS has gone down to a reasonable level. If anything the erML nerf hurt more.

...which leads us to IS mechs. Some of the ballistic quirked mechs are still great for this. Gauss/3LL and it's variations is still the best mid range. Only a handful of LPL builds on quirked mechs out damage it for the tonnage. It's heat efficient, pin point and with great range still.

Yeah, where all I've done is made clear I've got a vested interest in Gauss being good. Rather than countering with any real, civil argument you made a bunch of infantile mistakes because you were too lazy to check smurfy and started off this no true Scotsman fallacy bollocks you've kept up for three pages.

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Having played with/against a few in the past I know that's not true.

Yeah, if you had actually played with us I'm sure you like the fact that we use RRB tags on our TS to make fun of our guys who put in junk matches. Suck it, Ghogiel:

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Yes, the EBJ has some interesting leg construction, however, blowing away one leg slows it down, in just a few shots. Blowing away the second leg kills it, regardless of the 'less favorable damage transfer'.

The Timberwolf, of course, is just that much easier...

You've still got far greater HP, smaller hitboxes, more movement and easy shielding to deal with. All while slowing someone down doesn't make an immediate impact, especially in an all out brawl. There are advantages to legging and times where it's preferable, but that's not really it.

That said, not here to teach you how to play. Dunking on RRB is a great past time for many of us, and I'd hate to have to actually pay attention to do it.

Edited by Odins Steed, 03 December 2015 - 12:53 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Odin is an aussie gauss scrub. Don't listen to him. You need to ask a leet unit that dominates the asia/pacific region in comp not scrub tier JGx players.

[Tarogato]

Ghogiel, on 03 December 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Odin is an aussie gauss scrub. Don't listen to him. You need to ask a leet unit that dominates the asia/pacific region in comp not scrub tier JGx players.

"Oh wait."

[Gas Guzzler]

Ghogiel, on 03 December 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Odin is an aussie gauss scrub. Don't listen to him. You need to ask a leet unit that dominates the asia/pacific region in comp not scrub tier JGx players.

I see what you did there.

[Dimento Graven]

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

Mate, not to sound like a broken record, but just how much draino do you chug before opening the forums? Just because I, or even most Australians, have poor internet does not mean all do. Of course others do not have a problem posting videos. You know, like the ones in my mostly AU unit who uploaded our MRBC matches.

You're coming off as the authority, YOU prove it.

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...and what the hell do Euro's have to do with anything?

Because some Euros have high pings just like Aussies.

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You sound like that guy trying to explain he's not racist by saying he has black friends so it's okay.

Wow...

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Did I, when you started crapping the bed? Because I'm pretty sure you said this &quot;...actually don't really believe you use it all that much...&quot; when all I had posted was:

Yeah because your statement included what I found to be extremely contradictory statements like:

"Before the last HSR change it was about the only thing that hit reliably with my high Australian ping."

"It was ridiculously overpowered before."

"Now the DPS has gone down to a reasonable level. If anything the erML nerf hurt more."

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Yeah, where all I've done is made clear I've got a vested interest in Gauss being good. Rather than countering with any real, civil argument you made a bunch of infantile mistakes because you were too lazy to check smurfy and started off this no true Scotsman fallacy bollocks you've kept up for three pages.

Look, *******, I just asked a question because I wasn't aware of a specific build, and then saw your other statements that led me to believe you don't really use gauss all that often against decent opponents. Then you with your over abundant ego go off like a rocket and start being a complete shittard in the discussion going so far as to start slinging insults.

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Yeah, if you had actually played with us I'm sure you like the fact that we use RRB tags on our TS to make fun of our guys who put in junk matches.

Whatever makes you feel like you have a bigger penis Chuckles.

[FupDup]

This thread:

[Tarogato]

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

Look, *******, I just asked a question because I wasn't aware of a specific build, and then saw your other statements that led me to believe you don't really use gauss all that often against decent opponents. Then you with your over abundant ego go off like a rocket and start being a complete shittard in the discussion going so far as to start slinging insults.

Instead of accepting that maybe somebody has spent a lot of time using gauss competitively and could teach you a thing or two, you continued to call into question his understanding and conclusions despite that multiple people have backed him up. You only brought this onto yourself.

Edited by Tarogato, 03 December 2015 - 01:05 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

Whatever makes you feel like you have a bigger penis Chuckles.

Measuring it against yours tend to have that effect on penises.