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[MechPorn]

If PGI wants more balance within Community Warfare (CW) during the Battle of Tukayyid events, they would need to change how the drops work.

Letting PUGs get smashed by twelve, eleven, and ten-man teams (and so on) is frustrating. They should implement, only during the Battle of Tukayyid, solo queues. This would balance out a lot of the issues that these CW events have.

[Mcgral18]

Cue MudHut for some sync dropping crying


Though, still superior to what the current offering is. The even has enough population to offer different options.

[STEF_]

Imo, pugs really need to understand that this is a team-based game and they must join a team, instead of qquing in forum.

[MechPorn]

Stefka Kerensky, on 06 December 2015 - 11:44 PM, said:

Imo, pugs really need to understand that this is a team-based game and they must join a team, instead of qquing in forum.

The issue is that a lot of them do not want to join a team, their team does not want to do CW, and so on. This is an alternate solution to an issue. PGI is all about balance, this is a way to balance that event.

Being whiney (like you just did), is not helpful or constructive.

[Bonger Bob]

there are basically 3 types of people that do CW :

1 - premades that love ROFL-stomping PUGS all day, and don't want anything to change.

2 - premades that want to drop against other premades for a true test of skill and a challenge.

3 - everyone else .....

sadly, there seems to be a greater population in the #1 section. I think Russ is one of em.

simple solution : make separate ques for premades and casuals, integrating PSR / tier / ELO whatever that would represent some level of balance over what we currently have.

Why its not going to happen :

1 - anyone that calls for a balanced matchmaker seems to be shitcanned instantly as skill-less / told to join a team of try hards with attitudes

2 - Low population issues causes problems for MM

3 - CW is still in beta aka "we couldn't be bothered doing things right" hence why we have a low population for the game.

[STEF_]

TB Xiomburg, on 06 December 2015 - 11:47 PM, said:

The issue is that a lot of them do not want to join a team, their team does not want to do CW, and so on. This is an alternate solution to an issue. PGI is all about balance, this is a way to balance that event.

Being whiney (like you just did), is not helpful or constructive.

If they do not want, they don't understand what I previously said, so they deserve to be steam-rolled.

I have all the right to be whiny, and I'll tell you why: becuase during this event, dropping in 3 to 8 man, quite every match we were being accused of using hax, aim-bot, being unfair...... guess by who? By freaking pugs that do not even are able to understand what to do in cw drop, and not even able to do more than 600 dmg with 4 mechs.

Ppl do not understand that they lose because...... THEY ARE BAD, altought they do not accept it.
It is not other's fault. Period.

(And yes, I've dropped solo in CW and against premades too, but I know what to do, and I can do always 1000-1200 dmg MINIMUM, even facing premade and being steamrolled by them. I can even carry the pug team and win against premade.
And I am only an average pilot, go figure.)

[Bonger Bob]

Stefka Kerensky, on 06 December 2015 - 11:44 PM, said:

Imo, pugs really need to understand that this is a team-based game and they must join a team, instead of qquing in forum.

and here is a great example of point #1 in my post above

you want to join a team, fine, grats to you, some don't / can't / have no desire to listen to arrogant abusive ******* for whatever reasons.

If people MUST join a team, how bout PGI step up and integrate teams to the game ( like guilds in RPG's for want of a better term ), with a fully optioned team finding and joining function, with lobbys for chat, leaderboards, etc etc etc etc, most of which currently is done outside of the game itself by 3rd parties running their own web page, using voip separate ( TS, vent etc ) to the ingame voip.

or better still, make CW only playable if your in a team, dropping with a full 12 man all from the same team. whats that ??? theres not enough players for that ??? oh dear....

point no one seems to consider for those who don't join teams....I have 4 kiddies, when they are home, I can not have voip running because of the abusive and caustic language that comes over speakers sometimes. I choose not to expose my children to that while i try to enjoy some casual gaming, im happy to pug along and play casual.

I repect that some people are "hard core" or have no social life ( common gamer affliction ), how about you all respect those that are casual.

Edited by Bonger Bob, 07 December 2015 - 12:14 AM.

[MechPorn]

These are supposed to be community events. Making them unfair, unfun and uncompetitive takes away from the event. This should be an advertisement to join a team and not be screwed over repeatedly because of how CW is usually done.

You fail to see the bigger picture and instantly blame PUGs who do not normally play CW, because it is so unfriendly for casual players, small clans, groups of friends and so on.

Instead, you complain that the real issue is that puggers don't know how to play. While I understand your contempt for them, they are actually the largest group in MWO and not the egotistical overlords that you are referring to.

Small clans and individual players make up most of MWO population, balancing the event to include them would have made a better event than what came out.

[STEF_]

Bonger Bob, on 07 December 2015 - 12:06 AM, said:

and here is a great example of point #1 in my post above

you want to join a team, fine, grats to you, some don't / can't / have no desire to listen to arrogant abusive ******* for whatever reasons.

If people MUST join a team, how bout PGI step up and integrate teams to the game, with a fully optioned team finding and joining function, with lobbys for chat, leaderboards, etc etc etc etc, most of which currently is done outside of the game itself by 3rd parties running their own web page, using voip separate ( TS, vent etc ) to the ingame voip.

or better still, make CW only playable if your in a team, dropping with a full 12 man all from the same team. whats that ??? theres not enough players for that ??? oh dear....

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[MechPorn]

I know how to play just fine, how about you learn to be repectful and not a complete social failure....I know it is harder than playing a game...but you should give it a try.

[Bonger Bob]

Stefka Kerensky, on 07 December 2015 - 12:15 AM, said:

L2P:
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nice vanity post only reaffirming that you are a hard core, grats to ya, gj ;D

this does nothing to address the fact that a large section of the game is almost unplayable for those that have a life and / or social skills that your obviously lacking.

[Duke Nedo]

Stefka, that's some ****** attitude you have right there. L2behave.

Making events more friendly to casual players can't be a bad thing. It just can't. If you're competitive, being matched more often against competitive opponents should be something you'd want too, unless you enjoy stomping pugs that is.

[STEF_]

Bonger Bob, on 07 December 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

nice vanity post only reaffirming that you are a hard core, grats to ya, gj ;D

As previously said, see above, I'm average.

But I have a good actitude: I want to learn, and when I lose it's my fault.
When someone criticizes me, I listen, because he is giving me tips, not offences.

[Bonger Bob]

Stefka Kerensky, on 07 December 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

As previously said, see above, I'm average.

But I have a good actitude: I want to learn, and when I lose it's my fault.
When someone criticizes me, I listen, because he is giving me tips, not offences.

see this was much more social and open for an actual discussion, unfortunately your confusing learning with forcing team only play.

there are a large section of players that are casual, have no desire to join a "team" of attitude adjustment required players spraying obscenity's down the mic for their family to hear. We don't want to navigate 5 sites, do "signup" forms, download 3rd party voip apps etc etc, and more importantly, they don't want to continue being easy marks for those of you who are highly skilled.

I fail to see your problem with people wanting to be in a balanced match apart from being your fodder for practice, or is that what your seeking perhaps ???

I'd welcome ELO / PSR / whatever being introduced to CW, so there is some level of balanced play and an equal challenge for both sides, why do you have such a problem with this ??

Edited by Bonger Bob, 07 December 2015 - 12:40 AM.

[STEF_]

Duke Nedo, on 07 December 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

Stefka, that's some ****** attitude you have right there. L2behave.

Making events more friendly to casual players can't be a bad thing. It just can't. If you're competitive, being matched more often against competitive opponents should be something you'd want too, unless you enjoy stomping pugs that is.

I'm average.
The fact is that I've been disappointed during this event by bad players whining in chat.
Ok,
1-most of pilots avoid CW, so I can understand why many don't know how to play in a cw drops (that is very different from a normal group/solo drop).

2- during the event a lot of greenies try to achieve the prizes, it's ok.

But the quantity of whiners doing bad, was just ridicuolus.
Every time the one who whined did less than 600-800 dmg..... that is less than 150-200 dmg. with a mech!
It cannot be the MM fault, game fault, whatever faults.

The only solution I can see it's what I proposed before: join a team, a place where someone can teach.

I've pugged for years, thinking to be average. Instead no, I was just bad.
Thanks to CW incoming, I joined a team one year ago, and I could learn a lot, not only about cw drops.

[Bonger Bob]

Stefka Kerensky, on 07 December 2015 - 12:47 AM, said:

I'm average.

......

It cannot be the MM fault, game fault, whatever faults.

The only solution I can see it's what I proposed before: join a team, a place where someone can teach.

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two things here, THERE IS NO MM FOR CW, caps was because i don't see that you realize that, and that is largely what the thread is about, the absolute and total lack of ANY level of match making occurring.

and saying join a team repeatedly is not going to change peoples gaming styles / time available etc etc, i don't like having my family exposed to the abuse that comes over speakers, yet i respect thats how some people enjoy the game. Im not standing here ( and never will ) telling anyone how to play their game, or watch the language / abuse vomits as i know i can not change people.

and btw, im still not seeing anything valid brought up by you regarding your apparent opposition to having a match maker in CW, or is it balanced matches that you fear ??

[STEF_]

Bonger Bob, on 07 December 2015 - 12:37 AM, said:

see this was much more social and open for an actual discussion, unfortunately your confusing learning with forcing team only play.

there are a large section of players that are casual, have no desire to join a "team" of attitude adjustment required players spraying obscenity's down the mic for their family to hear. We don't want to navigate 5 sites, do "signup" forms, download 3rd party voip apps etc etc, and more importantly, they don't want to continue being easy marks for those of you who are highly skilled.

I fail to see your problem with people wanting to be in a balanced match apart from being your fodder for practice, or is that what your seeking perhaps ???

I'd welcome ELO / PSR / whatever being introduced to CW, so there is some level of balanced play and an equal challenge for both sides, why do you have such a problem with this ??

With more players incoming, maybe we can have PSR even in CW, who knows.

It's not that I want to force ppl to join a team, but I've written the above posts for my experience: I've been pugging for years, only solo, or grouping up with casual random friends.
I thought to be average, and that the ones writing to me in chat that I was bad, were simply trolls.

Then CW came and I thought it was good thing to join a team because I read in forum that CW was team oriented match, etc.
I joined a team....and teamates were saying me I was pretty bad, that I needed to learn, and they were providing me a lot of tips and suggestions etc.
So, yes, it was my fault, and I wasn't aware of my suckiness.
But I had the opportunity to learn.

During a year in a team I learned a lot of things that simply I wasn't aware, or realized.

I see this the only solution to really appreciate the game mechanics.

When a pug whines in chat, I write "join a team".

[Vickinator]

To the person who refuses to do voip because kids are around there is a amazing technology we have created called headphones, great for when you want to be the only person hearing your sound.

And Stefka is right, don't cry in CW because you refuse to join a team and coordinate.

[Vickinator]

Bonger Bob, on 07 December 2015 - 01:00 AM, said:

two things here, THERE IS NO MM FOR CW, caps was because i don't see that you realize that, and that is largely what the thread is about, the absolute and total lack of ANY level of match making occurring.

and saying join a team repeatedly is not going to change peoples gaming styles / time available etc etc, i don't like having my family exposed to the abuse that comes over speakers, yet i respect thats how some people enjoy the game. Im not standing here ( and never will ) telling anyone how to play their game, or watch the language / abuse vomits as i know i can not change people.

and btw, im still not seeing anything valid brought up by you regarding your apparent opposition to having a match maker in CW, or is it balanced matches that you fear ??

I like how people assume that better players just love rolling people and are absolutely afraid of a equal fight. In truth thats how you actually improve you fight people equal or better than you, rolling pugs doesn't teach you anything and actually reinforces bad behavior that good pilots will punish you for.

[Bonger Bob]

Vickinator, on 07 December 2015 - 01:07 AM, said:

To the person who refuses to do voip because kids are around there is a amazing technology we have created called headphones, great for when you want to be the only person hearing your sound.

And Stefka is right, don't cry in CW because you refuse to join a team and coordinate.

lol, and another person who instantly boxes anyone who wants a balanced match maker in any form added to CW as a skilless player who doesn't want to work in a team.

please stop blending the issues that are very separate..... its like me saying your another player who enjoys roflstomping with premade vs pug, and you don't enjoy a challenging balanced match.

and as far as headphones go, I can't hear my wife scream at me with em on, and that usually results in something being thrown in my direction, at speed, and quite heavy, hitting my head right before i black out, so no, headphones are not an option either.

I would ask what is your opposition to having a balanced match maker of any sort added to CW ???

Edited by Bonger Bob, 07 December 2015 - 01:14 AM.