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[izzycat218]

I bought the 722B last night in hopes of doing okay with it but I seem to be struggling vs other assaults and most heavies. I know the Highlander isn't that goo over all but I've always liked the thing since it was released into game. I tried two builds last night one was std 300 with three lrg pulse and an ac10. It was. Pretty lackluster to say the least. Only cool thing it's the quirks make the lasers the same range as the ac10.

The other build I tried was gauss with 3ErLarge. That went worse due to not being able to use the range on small maps. Again the quirks plus range module makes the ErLarge reach out to 911 meter optimum range. From my brief try of CW in bata 1 the range on the ErLarge has potential.

Anyone have suggestions on how to get the most out of the Highlander now days. I'm going to keep experimenting, but I'm curious if anyone else has been able to get these mechs working again.

[Jun Watarase]

Hmm try this, XL 300, 3 LPL, 2x AC5, 3.5 or 4 tons of ammo, rest DHS.

[izzycat218]

Jun Watarase, on 04 December 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

Hmm try this, XL 300, 3 LPL, 2x AC5, 3.5 or 4 tons of ammo, rest DHS.

I'll give that a shot. The main issue I'm running into is heat. It's gotta be one of the hottest mechs I own. I may start looking at single heat sinks with they're higher heat dispersion rate.

[Gas Guzzler]

My go to has been STD 300, 3 LPL, Gauss, 1 JJ. But with the Gauss change I have been considering changing it to 2 AC5s with an XL engine. I would think an AC10 would be okay, its slow projectile velocity might be a hindrance at longer ranges though.

[Gas Guzzler]

I run something like this currently:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3cbefe129f0c715

[izzycat218]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 December 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

My go to has been STD 300, 3 LPL, Gauss, 1 JJ. But with the Gauss change I have been considering changing it to 2 AC5s with an XL engine. I would think an AC10 would be okay, its slow projectile velocity might be a hindrance at longer ranges though.

Issue I was having with it was extended fights led to overheating quite quickly. Even only firing the ac10 was building heat. It also felt under gunned for its size and weight. Most likely was just bad situations though.

[Gas Guzzler]

Could also try this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e3f210886286af1

[izzycat218]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 December 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

I run something like this currently:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3cbefe129f0c715

Why is everyone only using a single jump jet? To me it seems like too few are a waste to begin with. Three of them barely get me over or on most average obstacles.

[Mcgral18]

izzycat218, on 04 December 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

Why is everyone only using a single jump jet? To me it seems like too few are a waste to begin with. Three of them barely get me over or on most average obstacles.

Wasted tonnage.


Can that one do 2UAC5s and 2 LPLs?
That's my preference on the 733c

[Gas Guzzler]

izzycat218, on 04 December 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

Why is everyone only using a single jump jet? To me it seems like too few are a waste to begin with. Three of them barely get me over or on most average obstacles.

Well, 1 allows you to get over some obstacles, you just have to glide up and over them instead of trying to jump with altitude alone. I agree its not much, but having 0 jump capability vs a little is a big difference. You can fit 3 with an XL engine using that build, but I decided I liked the ability to throw away my LT more. Honestly, not even 3 Class 1 Jump Jets are really enough to jump anymore, you need 4, but only 2 Highlanders can equip 4.

Mcgral18, on 04 December 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

Wasted tonnage.


Can that one do 2UAC5s and 2 LPLs?
That's my preference on the 733c

You cannot on the 732B. 2B in the arm (9 slots) and 3 E in the RT.

You are saying that 1 JJ is wasted tonnage? If so, I wholeheartedly disagree.

[Mcgral18]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 December 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

Well, 1 allows you to get over some obstacles, you just have to glide up and over them instead of trying to jump with altitude alone. I agree its not much, but having 0 jump capability vs a little is a big difference. You can fit 3 with an XL engine using that build, but I decided I liked the ability to throw away my LT more. Honestly, not even 3 Class 1 Jump Jets are really enough to jump anymore, you need 4, but only 2 Highlanders can equip 4.



You cannot on the 732B. 2B in the arm (9 slots) and 3 E in the RT.

You are saying that 1 JJ is wasted tonnage? If so, I wholeheartedly disagree.

6 tons are wasted tons, thats half a LPL compared to 1

[Gas Guzzler]

Mcgral18, on 04 December 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

6 tons are wasted tons, thats half a LPL compared to 1

Ah yeah, most of the time I agree, except on the 733C PPC/UAC5 build I run 4 so I can poptart as best as I can.

[izzycat218]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 December 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

Well, 1 allows you to get over some obstacles, you just have to glide up and over them instead of trying to jump with altitude alone. I agree its not much, but having 0 jump capability vs a little is a big difference. You can fit 3 with an XL engine using that build, but I decided I liked the ability to throw away my LT more. Honestly, not even 3 Class 1 Jump Jets are really enough to jump anymore, you need 4, but only 2 Highlanders can equip 4.



You cannot on the 732B. 2B in the arm (9 slots) and 3 E in the RT.
You are saying that 1 JJ is wasted tonnage? If so, I wholeheartedly disagree.

Think he meant more than one JJ. I remember back in the day some of my unit that no longer play ran ac10+ac2 and some lasers. I have been using the throw away side but it seems to melt off in the first few seconds. I'll drop two JJ for more heat sinks. With how slow and sluggish I afraid to try brawling in the other variants. Mainly I'd like to get this mech back on the battlefield.

[Nerdboard]

A was previously stated a single jumpjet allows you to free yourself from tiny obstacles. It can also assist you in climbing some hills (often there is a 1 meter bridge which you can not climb while the slope before and after is ok, your jumpjet will carry you over this). It can also be used to assist in turning and reversing as well as spreading some damage to your legs (works will against LRMs for example). For all those you do not need a large jump distance, so further jumpjets will give you hardly any benefit.

I run my 732B with a Gauss rifle and 3 Large Lasers (not ER, simply not needed after quirks). The mech is really really tanky, doesnt (thanks to quirks) feel the skill tree mobility nerf and also is not hit hard by the Gauss cooldown increase.

[izzycat218]

Nerdboard, on 04 December 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

A was previously stated a single jumpjet allows you to free yourself from tiny obstacles. It can also assist you in climbing some hills (often there is a 1 meter bridge which you can not climb while the slope before and after is ok, your jumpjet will carry you over this). It can also be used to assist in turning and reversing as well as spreading some damage to your legs (works will against LRMs for example). For all those you do not need a large jump distance, so further jumpjets will give you hardly any benefit.

I run my 732B with a Gauss rifle and 3 Large Lasers (not ER, simply not needed after quirks). The mech is really really tanky, doesnt (thanks to quirks) feel the skill tree mobility nerf and also is not hit hard by the Gauss cooldown increase.

Got ya, I'll give large lasers a shot as well.

[TheCharlatan]

You might find this usefull: http://metamechs.com/mwo-guides/is-master-guides/highlander/
I might get flamed for this, i know.

[izzycat218]

TheCharlatan, on 04 December 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

You might find this usefull: http://metamechs.com/mwo-guides/is-master-guides/highlander/
I might get flamed for this, i know.

Thanks for the read. Not sure if the quirks are the same and if it applies now.

[Yosharian]

I would recommend this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b7d3fdf5b1fca4d
(Note: armor division is left at default, alter it to your liking. Ammo locations can be moved as you wish.)

STD325, 3LL, Gauss w/35 ammo, 14 DHS, 1 JJ, assymetric/shield arm setup

Reasoning:

- STD325 is crucial to give you maneuverability. Some assault mechs can get away with lower rated engines through the use of high mounted hardpoints. The HGN cannot do this. This thing is dead in the water with anything less than max engine. (You wouldn't put a ******* STD300 in an Atlas, don't do it in this)

- 3LL over other energy configurations: 3LPL is too expensive in terms of tonnage, and the HGN is not agile enough to make proper use of the lower burn times. ERLL is not optimal as the HGN can't hill-hump at all and is easily picked off by scouts if it tries to play lone sniper.

- Gauss: the only other alternative is dual AC5, and I don't feel that the HGN can spare the tonnage to make that work while still utilizing the triple energy torso properly (unless you go XL and that's just ******** as ****). 35 shots should be more than enough to last even long games if you make each shot count.

- 14 DHS: should be enough to use the LLs properly. It will be hot though, since the HGNs have no heat gen quirks (another reason why this chassis is ******* dead).

- 1JJ is enough to get over small obstacles (e.g. Bog), cushion small landings, glide for short periods, etc. It's worth 2 tons. Probably. You could get rid of it and install more heatsinks if you wanted (plenty of slots available).

- Assymetric/shield arm: with proper use of the dead torso/shield arm (i.e. when your shield torso dies, keep using it as a shield - this reduces incoming damage significantly) you should be able to survive significant damage. Assymetric setup is a luxury most Highlanders don't get.

Weaknesses: lights will **** all over you due to no arm mounted lasers. Positioning mistakes (i.e. getting shot in your right torso) will quickly leave you weaponless. And it's a Highlander, that's the biggest weakness.

Edited by Yosharian, 05 December 2015 - 04:34 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Pretty much what have been said. As you build the Highlander as a long range fighter, you can equip XL325 and put 3JJ minimum. These 3 jump jets permit you to get on top of those high platforms on Mining, some buildings on Frozen, and maybe the Citadel (haven't tried it).

The Gauss+3LL/LPL build was good but its (gauss) effectiveness is diminished after the rebalance.

[El Bandito]

Only Highlanders I will pilot from now on will be the the Highlander IIC variants.

I might bust out my old love HGN-733 from time to time to terrorize pugs; sold the other IS Highlanders.

Edited by El Bandito, 05 December 2015 - 05:47 AM.