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[Signal27]

Tsig, on 05 December 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

Seconded. You don't get to call Clan players the KKK and not expect us to get pissed off. Enjoy your forum vacation.

Again I reiterate: I'm calling the fictional Clan faction the KKK. I make no such associations of the real life players of that faction. Just like I understand players of Germany in any World War 2 themed game aren't necessarily Na zis.

[Sandpit]

Xythius, on 05 December 2015 - 05:56 PM, said:

I would take this post more seriously if you bothered not to compare a set of players in a GAME to a prolific hate group of white supremacists who have murdered scores of people simply because of the color of their skin or their sexual orientation.

Stay classy.

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https://en.wikipedia...%C3%9Cbermensch

maybe you should develop a little more of a sense of humor instead of trying to turn a statement made into something it clearly was not

Tsig, on 05 December 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

Seconded. You don't get to call Clan players the KKK and not expect us to get pissed off. Enjoy your forum vacation.

lol OP, if you get a vacay I'd be extremely surprised. Don't sweat the SJWs. Just ignore it and keep on keeping on.

[Signal27]

Sandpit, on 05 December 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

lol OP, if you get a vacay I'd be extremely surprised. Don't sweat the SJWs. Just ignore it and keep on keeping on.

Thanks!

[Xythius]

Signal27, on 05 December 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

Again I reiterate: I'm calling the fictional Clan faction the KKK. I make no such associations of the real life players of that faction. Just like I understand players of Germany in any World War 2 themed game aren't necessarily Na zis.

And WE re-iterate - by your statement in the OP, WE (since us players in Clan factions are, for all intents and purposes) ARE the Clans from the fictional BT TT Universe - hence, you are making correlations between US and a HATE GROUP that is monitored by the F.B.I.

You wanna call us filthy Clanners, Clammers, test tube babies, vatborn, whatever - fine. But DO NOT equate us to a terrorist organization.

Sandpit, on 05 December 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

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The first translation, published in 1896, of Thus Spoke Zarathustra into English was by Alexander Tille, who translated Übermensch as Beyond-Man. In the Thomas Common translation, published in 1909, however,Übermensch was rendered as "Superman". Common was anticipated in this by George Bernard Shaw, who had done the same in his 1903 stage play Man and Superman. Walter Kaufmann lambasted this translation in the 1950s for two reasons: first, its near or total failure to capture the nuance of the German word über (while the Latin prefix super- means above or beyond, the English use of the prefix or its use as an adjective has altered the meaning); and second, a rationale which Fredric Wertham railed against even more vehemently in Seduction of the Innocent, for promoting an eventual puerile^{[citation needed]} identification with the comic-book characterSuperman. His preference was to translate Übermensch as "overman". Scholars continue to employ both terms, some simply opting to reproduce the German word.^[1][2][/color]
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The German prefix über can have connotations of superiority, transcendence, excessiveness, or intensity, depending on the words to which it is prepended.^[3] Mensch refers to a member of the human species, rather than to a male specifically. The adjective übermenschlich means super-human, in the sense of beyond human strength or out of proportion to humanity.^[4][/color]

https://en.wikipedia...%C3%9Cbermensch

maybe you should develop a little more of a sense of humor instead of trying to turn a statement made into something it clearly was not


lol OP, if you get a vacay I'd be extremely surprised. Don't sweat the SJWs. Just ignore it and keep on keeping on.

What does Ubermensch have to do with the KKK...?

[Vickinator]

Wait people are actually going to report you for comparing the clans to the KKK on a forum post? I don't agree with you but I'm not going to run to PGI to have them silence you. When did people forget how to actually debate one another without one side crying "thats offensive" and assuming that means something other then your offended too easily.

[Signal27]

Xythius, on 05 December 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

And WE re-iterate - by your statement in the OP, WE (since us players in Clan factions are, for all intents and purposes) ARE the Clans from the fictional BT TT Universe - hence, you are making correlations between US and a HATE GROUP that is monitored by the F.B.I.

You wanna call us filthy Clanners, Clammers, test tube babies, vatborn, whatever - fine. But DO NOT equate us to a terrorist organization.

Oh wow. Just wow. As a dedicated fan of roleplaying games, all I can say is that one of the first rules of participating in a RPG is to separate the player from the role. If you don't do that then you're apt to get your feelings hurt whenever your imaginary character (or faction in this case) comes under fire. Think of how actors and actresses are able to assume a role for a movie and then leave it behind.

But I'm just going to keep repeating myself in the hopes that it eventually sinks in: I don't equate the players of the Clans as associated to any real life racist organizations. No more than I equate anybody who plays the Germans in any World War 2 themed game as associated to any Neo-Na zi organizations.

[Signal27]

Vickinator, on 05 December 2015 - 06:53 PM, said:

Wait people are actually going to report you for comparing the clans to the KKK on a forum post? I don't agree with you but I'm not going to run to PGI to have them silence you. When did people forget how to actually debate one another without one side crying "thats offensive" and assuming that means something other then your offended too easily.

I'm genuinely surprised myself. I mean, the worst I expected was being called a dirty rock-banging freebirth trudging around in his cardboard mech held together by staples and propelled by pedals and bicycle tires, who works for dogfood as payment to the highest bidder for latrine scrubbing duty. And that would be fine with me. But I'm beginning to realize just how... wrapped up (to put it nicely) some people can get in the lore of a game.

Edited by Signal27, 05 December 2015 - 07:00 PM.

[Nerdboard]

Kaitto, on 05 December 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

The filthy Clans are losing so they're getting desperate and are doing scrub tactics like base zerging for a quick win when they don't realise people are trying to get points for personal challenges. Absolutely disgusting.

Thats not new. Most of the big and well known units do that constantly because they actually do not have more than one 12man team which can hit anything that moves. It is however the goal of the gamemode and by no means 'unfair' as a tactic. Whether the game mode is balanced or the fact that the Clans get Invasion attack and Counter attack defense on all the matches is fair is something different altogether. This does not however lie in the hands of the players.

As for the personal challenge: Its doable even if you get stomped every single match. Since the challenge (<- challenge, could be challenging, maybe not only free cookies?) is based on matchscore this can even work to your advantage. I like fighting the game out but I actually got several matches where my matchscore went into the sky because the clans decided to take omega by rushing it with the first two waves. With the current system 1000dmg and no mech lost is way better than 2000 dmg over all your mechs.

On topic: The event cannot and never will in any way represent whether or not Clans and IS are balanced (balance seems quite ok to me btw). The winner of the event will also be decided in the last two hours (or even less). Doesnt matter who's in front now.

[Wing 0]

Signal27, on 05 December 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

As of this moment, the Inner Sphere is almost at 51% win rate while the KKKlans are almost at 49%



Now granted, this could very well be a fleeting moment and things could go back in the Klans' favor. But up until this point people have been declaring that it's been nothing but the Klans facerolling the IS, thus proving that Klan mechs are still unbalanced versus Inner Sphere mechs. In light of this reversal, do people still feel the same way about Klan versus IS mech balancing? Is the current win percentages just a fluke or more indicative of another step in the right direction towards balancing?

(Note: These percentages are only reflective of the current state of the event as of the date and time located at the bottom right corner of the pic, Eastern Standard Time)

(Note: The misspelling of "Clans" is intentional, because I don't find the derogatory term "clam" derogatory enough if you know the BattleTech lore of the test-tube-born genetically tailored to be the superior ubermenschen caste policies of the Clans )

Who is this idiot writing this dumb thread again?

[El Bandito]

It seems raising the IS tonnage from 240-to 250 helped. Which shows that Clans still have the edge.

[Catalina Steiner]

Moved to K-Town. Well deserved, I would say.

[Lily from animove]

Signal27, on 05 December 2015 - 06:20 PM, said:

Again: I'm not equating the players of the Clans in the game to the KKK. I'm equating the Clans in the BattleTech lore as such.

clans have a more communistic mindset, work together towards a common goal, yet they knwo the point of "breeding". by what you name eugenics is what others would call darwins law. But darwins law was disabled by modern etchnology and medicine. Clanners just created their own way to create an artificial darwins law by the warriors caste having to proof the value of their genes. But this as said is for the warriors caste, other castes still do the normal have sex and get babies the "freebirth" way. Clans have no specific antiracial behavior. Everyone can enter the clanranks but for non clanners its harder to proof the worth of their genes. Clanners generally do not follow the lore to bomb and detsroy anythign to crap they come across. Thats why they devloped their ways to "challange" for possesions. Yes a few exceptions happened in their history and they were not within kerenskies original spirit. They are not entirely innocent, yet the IS, is a piece of the strongest rules with the mindest of "eertyhign is allowed". Thasts why they basically bomb anything to crap if they consider this as needed not caring about the result on the grater picture an how many innocent just get flushed down the toilet by this too.

Edited by Lily from animove, 06 December 2015 - 09:04 AM.

[Rush Maguin]

All the op has done here is show how incredibly little he understands the Clans, their concept, their culture, or their tactics. They do not equate to the KKK on any functional level whatsoever. They have a name that's spelled one letter off from another name? Who cares? Might as well be terrified of Combs because it's spelled like Bombs. There goes your hair.

[Sandpit]

Rush Maguin, on 07 December 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

All the op has done here is show how incredibly little he understands the Clans, their concept, their culture, or their tactics. They do not equate to the KKK on any functional level whatsoever. They have a name that's spelled one letter off from another name? Who cares? Might as well be terrified of Combs because it's spelled like Bombs. There goes your hair.

What about KFC?

[MarineTech]

Sandpit, on 02 February 2016 - 12:22 PM, said:

What about KFC?

The MWO unit or the restaurant chain?

[Sandpit]

MarineTech, on 02 February 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

The MWO unit or the restaurant chain?

both, they're both pretty crispy after 10 minutes in a deep fryer

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

Do you even lift.... them out of the fryer?

[MarineTech]

Ooooooooooo.

Fried bird.

I want some.

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

Get that deep throating horror out of here. Cannibalism will not be tolerated.

[Sandpit]

Bespoke Cheese Cake, on 27 February 2016 - 01:59 AM, said:

Get that deep throating horror out of here. Cannibalism will not be tolerated.

says you