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[Coolant]

KuroNyra, on 09 December 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

The latter without doubt.

Jumpjets? You have it.
Big mech squeletton? You have it too.
The only two things that aren't there anymore are the Glowing eyes who were present during a moment and the old U.I.
So basicly they never lied, it's just an old video .


And about the trailer itself, well, it's a trailer. Not a gameplay video. Your going to tell me trailers ALWAYS tell the truth for about EVERY VIDEO GAME AND MOVIE?

Would be really hard to argue against that logic...course they will try and make themselves look silly.

[Sandpit]

Kyocera, on 09 December 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

I fear for the future of society, I really do.

you have no idea....
If you worked in my field and dealt with the future of our society on a daily basis you would just hunker down and prepare for the inevitable apocalypse as society breaks down. lol

[Alex Morgaine]

Raggedyman, on 09 December 2015 - 06:12 AM, said:

That is possibly the most wonderful and saddening thing I've seen. Thanks for the share
The Atlas eyes are brilliant.

I miss them eyes. Really made the oh [beep] factor.

[Ghogiel]

Raggedyman, on 09 December 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

I did

A massively multiplayer online game (MMOG or MMO) is a video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously in the same instance (or world).
https://en.wikipedia...yer_online_game

An MMO, or massively multiplayer online game, is a game that thousands of participants can play simultaneously over the internet.
http://lexicon.ft.co...tiplayer-online

A massively multiplayer online game (MMOG) refers to videogames that allow a large number of players to participate simultaneously over an internet connection.
https://www.techoped...nline-game-mmog

massively multiplayer online game: any online video game in which a player interacts with a large number of other players
http://dictionary.re.../browse/mmo?s=t

No one has "must have a community chat box or its not an MMO" listed
It basically all boils down to this

To be classed as a Massively Multiplayer Online game you must be

1 - Massive
2 - Multiplayer
3 - Online

Now, please explain to me how MWO isn't:


1 - Massive
2 - Multiplayer
3 - Online

Go on, I'm sure you can do it without pulling some random other requirement out of your backpack

lol your first source basically says MWO isn't an MMO. I stopped reading after that.

[Revis Volek]

Sandpit, on 09 December 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

you have no idea....
If you worked in my field and dealt with the future of our society on a daily basis you would just hunker down and prepare for the inevitable apocalypse as society breaks down. lol

IF you haven't seen the movie Idiocracy, i suggest renting it on Netflix or something. Its a Mike Judge film about the degradation of society by the dumb reproducing faster and more often the the smart and wealthy.

It hilarious but one of those things where I dont know if life is imitating art or the other way around. Either way, its so spot on with the decline of society i see daily though, which is scary honestly...

[Sandpit]

DarthRevis, on 09 December 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

IF you haven't seen the movie Idiocracy, i suggest renting it on Netflix or something. Its a Mike Judge film about the degradation of society by the dumb reproducing faster and more often the the smart and wealthy.

It hilarious but one of those things where I dont know if life is imitating art or the other way around. Either way, its so spot on with the decline of society i see daily though, which is scary honestly...

I've seen it, one of my favs and a sad depiction of where society is heading.

Atlas shrugged series is another good one, but far less comical. It's amazing how some of these stories and commentaries written 70 years ago are starting to actually come to fruition. It's scary actually

[TWIAFU]

Ghogiel, on 09 December 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

lol your first source basically says MWO isn't an MMO. I stopped reading after that.

You stopped, or didn't read, the first sentence in the wiki link?

Clear English, it states;

A massively multiplayer online game, MMOG or MMO is a video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously in the same instance (or world).

Pretty clear cut definition. What did you interpenetrate in that wiki to say MWO is not a MMO?

Edited by TWIAFU, 09 December 2015 - 03:25 PM.

[lshtaria]

Sandpit, on 09 December 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

you have no idea....
If you worked in my field and dealt with the future of our society on a daily basis you would just hunker down and prepare for the inevitable apocalypse as society breaks down. lol

So much arrogant self-entitlement out there these days coupled with incredible amounts of butt-hurtiness when things don't go the way they want.

The younger generation genuinely wants so many things handed to them on a plate. Can we really draw comparisons between games and society? I think we can. Barely a generation ago games really made you think. They punished you constantly and made you throw your peripherals across the room in frustration but you persevered, you fought and you finally won the battle. These days you just walk in a straight line and shoot stuff. If you die you respawn and try again. Everything has been dumbed down to a kind of a quick-fix entertainment that requires a fair amount of dexterity but very little thinking power.

I feel like such a right old fart when I shake my head at stuff like Star Wars Battlefront and the Final Fantasy 7 remake but get reasonably aroused by Fallout 4 and aroused far too much by Super Mario Maker

[Sandpit]

Kyocera, on 09 December 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

So much arrogant self-entitlement out there these days coupled with incredible amounts of butt-hurtiness when things don't go the way they want.

The younger generation genuinely wants so many things handed to them on a plate. Can we really draw comparisons between games and society? I think we can. Barely a generation ago games really made you think. They punished you constantly and made you throw your peripherals across the room in frustration but you persevered, you fought and you finally won the battle. These days you just walk in a straight line and shoot stuff. If you die you respawn and try again. Everything has been dumbed down to a kind of a quick-fix entertainment that requires a fair amount of dexterity but very little thinking power.

I feel like such a right old fart when I shake my head at stuff like Star Wars Battlefront and the Final Fantasy 7 remake but get reasonably aroused by Fallout 4 and aroused far too much by Super Mario Maker

That's what happens when you coddle, give participation awards, let kids think "tattling" is the best way to deal with everything, do everything for them, and raise them to believe that's how the world works.

I break "special little snowflake" sense of reality every day I'm proud of it as well. I am often times the very first person these kids run into that lets them know they're know more special than the next person and we're not here to "do it for you". We'll help and guide and give information, but we're not doing the leg work for you.

If it's "too hard" then have fun finding a job lol

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Sandpit, on 09 December 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

That's what happens when you coddle, give participation awards, let kids think "tattling" is the best way to deal with everything, do everything for them, and raise them to believe that's how the world works.

I break "special little snowflake" sense of reality every day I'm proud of it as well. I am often times the very first person these kids run into that lets them know they're know more special than the next person and we're not here to "do it for you". We'll help and guide and give information, but we're not doing the leg work for you.

If it's "too hard" then have fun finding a job lol

My Drill Sergeant reinforced that for me. Although I was already 20 and already had the idea that I wasn't so special by my dad when I turned 18 and he kicked me out into the real world and said, "Have fun in the real world son, love ya and remember everything I taught ya."

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Kyocera, on 09 December 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

Everything has been dumbed down to a kind of a quick-fix entertainment that requires a fair amount of dexterity but very little thinking power.

"Marketability"

Back in the day (like the '98 to '01) video games were pretty niche. The consoles had child friendly games mostly and the bulk of PC games were adult oriented. Even then, video games were a rarity, I remember when I got a PS and was the only one in my school with one for a while. Now my cousins who are 11 and 14 each have their own PS4 and all the kids have multiple consoles.

Happens every time there's market saturation.

Same thing happened in paintball/airsoft, most markers/AEGs were in the $300+ plus category and I pretty much knew everyone in the state that played one or the other. Then the cheap Chinese clones of airsoft guns and ****** Spyders could be bought at Bass Pro and Wally World and the community took a nose dive...

Edited by Lord Scarlett Johan, 09 December 2015 - 03:36 PM.

[Sandpit]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 09 December 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

My Drill Sergeant reinforced that for me. Although I was already 20 and already had the idea that I wasn't so special by my dad when I turned 18 and he kicked me out into the real world and said, "Have fun in the real world son, love ya and remember everything I taught ya."

I wouldnt' be opposed to every high school graduate being required to take a basic "boot camp" course over the summer. They would learn extremely valuable skills, learn how to ACTUALLY face diversity (instead of calling mom to QQ about it and ask her to yell at the "mean" people), and a lot of inner-strength they never knew they had. Hell a good sports team will give you a lot of those same lessons.

I tell my kids all the time, when you hit 18 I'm pinning a $100 bill to your shirt, giving you a hug, saying I love you, and kicking you out the door lol

Seriously though I do let them know 18 means college or job. One or the other. No exceptions. They've been taught that there are consequences in life.

It's the same mentality here. Many feel "protected" by their anonymity on the internet just like they did hiding behind mom, because they know full well if they acted like that in public they'd win up (at the very least) a really sore jaw because sooner or later someone would have enough and just crack them a good one.
Consequences

[Ghogiel]

TWIAFU, on 09 December 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

You stopped, or didn't read, the first sentence in the wiki link?

Clear English, it states;

A massively multiplayer online game, MMOG or MMO is a video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously in the same instance (or world).

Pretty clear cut definition. What did you interpenetrate in that wiki to say MWO is not a MMO?

It clearly states that an MMO is and I quote "is a video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously in the same instance (or world)."

Unless you are argueing that 24 people is large number of players, MWO just doesn't support a massive number of players in the same world instance.

Edited by Ghogiel, 09 December 2015 - 03:45 PM.

[Sandpit]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 09 December 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

"Marketability"

Back in the day (like the '98 to '01) video games were pretty niche. The consoles had child friendly games mostly and the bulk of PC games were adult oriented. Even then, video games were a rarity, I remember when I got a PS and was the only one in my school with one for a while. Now my cousins who are 11 and 14 each have their own PS4 and all the kids have multiple consoles.

Happens every time there's market saturation.

Same thing happened in paintball/airsoft, most markers/AEGs were in the $300+ plus category and I pretty much knew everyone in the state that played one or the other. Then the cheap Chinese clones of airsoft guns and ****** Spyders could be bought at Bass Pro and Wally World and the community took a nose dive...

so then you create a more selective community that allows you to play with those more organized players instead of having to play with the others.

Sounds a lot like the queues for pub drops and CW....
Imagine that

Ghogiel, on 09 December 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

It clearly states that an MMO is and I quote "is a video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously in the same instance (or world)."

Unless you are argueing that 24 people is large number of players, MWO just doesn't support a massive number of players in the same world instance.

ok you're right and he's wrong.
feel better now?
does that change a single solitary thing about the game?
Is it really that important to the two of you to argue over your personal interpretation of the word massive and such?

I'd give you pictures for comparison and an example of massive but it's against the CoC to post nekkid pics of myself

[Ghogiel]

Sandpit, on 09 December 2015 - 03:47 PM, said:

ok you're right and he's wrong.
feel better now?
does that change a single solitary thing about the game?
Is it really that important to the two of you to argue over your personal interpretation of the word massive and such?

I'd give you pictures for comparison and an example of massive but it's against the CoC to post nekkid pics of myself

I think some one needs a nap.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Sandpit, on 09 December 2015 - 03:47 PM, said:

so then you create a more selective community that allows you to play with those more organized players instead of having to play with the others.

Sounds a lot like the queues for pub drops and CW....
Imagine that

That's pretty much what a lot of us did. We stopped with the pickup games on weekends for Paintball and stopped going to open-invite airsoft games, and we just stuck to buy in Tourneys for PB and invite only Airsoft matches. Let all the kids that didn't want to follow the basic rules of airsoft shoot their eyes out and the teenaged PB crowd shoot each other with marbles or frozen paintballs.

Kyocera, on 09 December 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

I blame liberalism for it I really do. Oh we can't offend people, we must help the underprivileged etc. Now I'm not saying that socialism is bad in any way and we shouldn't help anyone who isn't born with a silver spoon in their mouth, what I am saying is that we've become far too soft. We've become too "accepting" instead of striving to better ourselves. Germany and Japan didn't become what they are today after the decimation they suffered by patting themselves on the back and saying "It's ok, don't worry about it".

Acceptance of mediocrity through fear of discrimination. Darwin is probably turning in his grave right now, no-one gave him a respawn time.

It's not liberalism, it's progressivism. I'm a (social) liberal and these kids disgust me.

Sandpit, on 09 December 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

I wouldnt' be opposed to every high school graduate being required to take a basic "boot camp" course over the summer. They would learn extremely valuable skills, learn how to ACTUALLY face diversity (instead of calling mom to QQ about it and ask her to yell at the "mean" people), and a lot of inner-strength they never knew they had. Hell a good sports team will give you a lot of those same lessons.

I think requiring JROTC in high school would help. Makes people learn to work with others and pick up some discipline.

[Sandpit]

Ghogiel, on 09 December 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think some one needs a nap.

I agree. The guy arguing for 3 pages over teh definition of "massive" is at the top of the list

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 09 December 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

That's pretty much what a lot of us did. We stopped with the pickup games on weekends for Paintball and stopped going to open-invite airsoft games, and we just stuck to buy in Tourneys for PB and invite only Airsoft matches. Let all the kids that didn't want to follow the basic rules of airsoft shoot their eyes out and the teenaged PB crowd shoot each other with marbles or frozen paintballs.



It's not liberalism, it's progressivism. I'm a (social) liberal and these kids disgust me.



I think requiring JROTC in high school would help. Makes people learn to work with others and pick up some discipline.

Both of mine are involved in either ROTC or sports. I made them join a group lol I wanted them to learn responsibility of others depending on you and the consequences of letting them down if you blow them off or treat them poorly as well as how to both win and lose as a team and to show courtesy to the other team regardless of outcome.

My youngest is a very soft-hearted individual, but when it comes time to put pads on and lay the lumber on some hapless receiver, he can put on that war face

[FinnMcKool]

I think requiring JROTC in high school would help. Makes people learn to work with others and pick up some discipline.



NAVY would be better ; }

[Ghogiel]

Sandpit, on 09 December 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

I agree. The guy arguing for 3 pages over teh definition of "massive" is at the top of the list

Hmm yeah, *yawn* those 3 sentences I posted on this one page of this thread was sooooo tiring.

[Sandpit]

FinnMcKool, on 09 December 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

I think requiring JROTC in high school would help. Makes people learn to work with others and pick up some discipline.



NAVY would be better ; }

It would serve them far better than sex ed (which is a severely outdated course given our society's ability to obtain and transmit information so quickly now as well as relaxed censorship in the entertainment industry)