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[Raggedyman]

Ezekeel666, on 09 December 2015 - 03:17 AM, said:

The only way to do achievements right is not at all. Achievements and grindy XP-like systems have turned the last couple of generations of gamers into mindless sheep who do not even know why they play a game any more. And the publishers have reacted to that and started to release only crap games that the masses still happily consumed even if these games had no real content besides completing achievements and filling out XP bars and that were not even really fun.

People like achievements, and XP bars.
Thus developers put them into the games.
Because developers who stay in business have a habit of making games that have things in them that people like.
And to piss off gaming hipsters who only ever got their videogames on hand chiseled cartridges from artisan game makers in small Peruvian villages, which maintain the ancient 30 year old traditions of how to spend a bit of time blowing things up on a telly.
Deal with it.

[Lily from animove]

Raggedyman, on 09 December 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

People like achievements, and XP bars.
Thus developers put them into the games.
Because developers who stay in business have a habit of making games that have things in them that people like.
And to piss off gaming hipsters who only ever got their videogames on hand chiseled cartridges from artisan game makers in small Peruvian villages, which maintain the ancient 30 year old traditions of how to spend a bit of time blowing things up on a telly.
Deal with it.

this, it's about money, back in the old gneration using some videogame system required a bit of brain (especially the non consoles), So the customers of games needed brainfood. Also, developing a game was fairly easy and low on cost/manpwoer. However with the new l33t yolosw4g generation able to use all this tech an ready to go systems the mental level of the average gamer decreased and so game features focus on another target group now. Especially when you consider how much people are needed to make a game today. It's like fast food, it's very succesfull yet not good at all.

[Fester Blatz1980]

EgoSlayer, on 09 December 2015 - 04:30 AM, said:

Looks like there might be some benefits for international users:
http://mwomercs.com/...wo-steam-launch
"Steam Performance Packs will be priced using a Steam-recommended regional pricing structure."

So some of the content will be priced in local currencies when purchased through Steam.

For Europeans at least, regional pricing is as much of a d!ck move as Valve's 1$=1€ policy. Flat-pricing all the way, just like it is now with MWO. "Steam-recommended" is something nobody can really want.

Edited because of type 0.

Edited by Fester Blatz1980, 09 December 2015 - 05:13 AM.

[Troutmonkey]

Fester Blatz1980, on 09 December 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

For Europeans at least, regional pricing is as much of a d!ck move as Valve's 1$=1€ policy. Flat-pricing all the way, just like it is now with MWO. "Steam-recommended" is something nobody can really want.

Edited because of type 0.

Damn I'd wish they'd run with $1USD = $1AUD

[Lugh]

627, on 09 December 2015 - 12:22 AM, said:

If you want to discuss the color of white/salt, please go to the other threads


I look for a reason to reinstall/redownload the game with steam. Steam will have achievements but looking at the FAQ these will likely be the exact ones we have ingame already so nothing new here.

And no trading cards (yet?) which would indeed be a reason to do it, just for some mech icons in the profile.

But beyond that, is there any reason for us longtime mwo players to move over? I know there will be exclusive steam sales but I doubt we won't get those normally anymore.

And all my friend on steam stopped playing mwo long time ago, so nothing for me here, either


So will you reinstall through steam? Why, or why not?



At least, it seems that we can run two installations with the same configs/sttings so it would only take some more hard disk space...

I will because Steam can manage the downloads for me, without me having to hit "patch". Plus I can see my time played from that point on and also earn little steam achievements, which as vacuous as they are bring a little shiny thing to my inner child.

[Fester Blatz1980]

Lugh, on 09 December 2015 - 05:26 AM, said:

I will because Steam can manage the downloads for me, without me having to hit "patch". Plus I can see my time played from that point on

1. You can use auto-patching with the MWO launcher and won't ever have to hit the patch button.
2. Steam's timer is everything but accurate as it counts forward even if you tabbed out of a game. Fallout 3 in-game time for me was 40 hours less than what Steam said... completely useless feature (GOG Galaxy seems to have the same problem btw).

[Bishop Steiner]

Kotzi, on 09 December 2015 - 03:12 AM, said:

Other that their bandwith is a lot better? I guess i could download the whole game faster than any update i download here.

really? I downloaded New Vegas out of boredom, took bloody forever.

[Lily from animove]

Fester Blatz1980, on 09 December 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

For Europeans at least, regional pricing is as much of a d!ck move as Valve's 1$=1€ policy. Flat-pricing all the way, just like it is now with MWO. "Steam-recommended" is something nobody can really want.

Edited because of type 0.

look what russians pay, you wanna cri

Fester Blatz1980, on 09 December 2015 - 05:31 AM, said:

1. You can use auto-patching with the MWO launcher and won't ever have to hit the patch button.
2. Steam's timer is everything but accurate as it counts forward even if you tabbed out of a game. Fallout 3 in-game time for me was 40 hours less than what Steam said... completely useless feature (GOG Galaxy seems to have the same problem btw).

yeah this is funny some games have made seperate launcher just for caunting a load of hours when someone forgets to close this launcher (which in most cases tends to disappear behind your steam window after the extra gam window opens.) How to cheat statistics 101

Edited by Lily from animove, 09 December 2015 - 06:14 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

EgoSlayer, on 09 December 2015 - 04:30 AM, said:

Looks like there might be some benefits for international users:
http://mwomercs.com/...wo-steam-launch
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So some of the content will be priced in local currencies when purchased through Steam.

hmmm.... considering how badly hammered the mexican peso is (as usual) that could indeed be a boon.

[Fester Blatz1980]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 December 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

really? I downloaded New Vegas out of boredom, took bloody forever.

Steam's servers are IME very unrealiable in comparison to GOG, Origin and others. If you're lucky, you get full speed, if not you can watch grass grow while downloading. Something that never happened with MWO's launcher to me for more than a year.

[Lily from animove]

Fester Blatz1980, on 09 December 2015 - 05:50 AM, said:

Steam's servers are IME very unrealiable in comparison to GOG, Origin and others. If you're lucky, you get full speed, if not you can watch grass grow while downloading. Something that never happened with MWO's launcher to me for more than a year.

well you can still change the regional server if the noe you have chosen derps around.

[Jetfire]

Only reason I won't is all my steam stuff is on a 128 gb SSD that is always full, have to delete games to install new ones. Keep MWO, SC and Blizz games on another 128 GB SSD.

[Mechteric]

Jetfire, on 09 December 2015 - 05:55 AM, said:

Only reason I won't is all my steam stuff is on a 128 gb SSD that is always full, have to delete games to install new ones. Keep MWO, SC and Blizz games on another 128 GB SSD.

You can set up additional steam games directories on multiple disks and folders, its in the settings. After doing this you get to pick which is the default, and every time you install a new game you can pick which the game goes to.

[r00t b33r]

CapperDeluxe, on 09 December 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:

You can set up additional steam games directories on multiple disks and folders, its in the settings. After doing this you get to pick which is the default, and every time you install a new game you can pick which the game goes to.

Tried doing that and it tells me it needs to be an empty file... :/

So here's my solution to not-re-downloading-MWO-all-over-again-because-I'm-on-a-data-cap/don't-feel-like-waiting: Be sure Steam is closed, of course. Transfer the folder "MechWarrior Online" from the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Piranha Games\" directory to the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\" (or wherever you place your files in your respective directories).

Spelling is critical, as Steam spells it a particular way in its file structure or it won't recognize the files being there. (i.e.: If you did the same with, say, War Thunder, you'll need the space between "War" & "Thunder" -- "WarThunder" will not be recognized.) Then start-up Steam, go to the MechWarrior Online Steam store page and click "Play Game" which will initialize an install that will 'detect existing files' for a few minutes. (So Steam realizes that the files are there but needs to sort through them.)

Note: it may or may not start the whole download over again -- but trouble your heart not -- simply restart Steam. You should see something like 8.8GB / 8.9GB left to download, which will save a whole ton of time & data. [This is mostly verifying files or removing the launcher that MWO has on its stand-alone client.] Reminder: if the above works for you...when you uninstall the stand-alone one, go by the date it was installed (earliest).

Found this fast-and-easy method when helping some friends in the 4th Armored integrate it into Steam and worked for us. Hadn't really missed the Steam overlay in-game until then but now it makes coordinating things far easier. :]

[Sagamore]

Steam keeps track of time played. Keeps me honest.

[Satan n stuff]

El Bandito, on 09 December 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

I heard there are Steam achievements for MWO, dunno if they are the same as in game achievements.

They are, but it's not the full list of ingame achievements, just the easier ones.

MeiSooHaityu, on 09 December 2015 - 03:11 AM, said:

I like Steam. I have a lot of games on Steam, but I see no reason to reinstall the game on Steam. I have the regular launcher that does just fine, why would I want to go through the trouble of uninstalling and reinstalling through Steam *shrug*.

You can move the install.
Just start downloading the game client on Steam, then pause the download, Steam should have created a new appmanifest_*.acf file in your steamapps folder ( default /Program Files/SteamLibrary/steamapps ) , check the timestamps to make sure. Assuming the file exists you can now move your old game client to the new install folder ( default /Program Files/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Mechwarrior Online ) , then restart the download and Steam will verify and update the existing files.

r00t b33r, on 10 January 2016 - 12:39 AM, said:

If you don't have the appmanifest_*.acf file Steam might decide to redownload the whole thing, so the best way to do it is as I described.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 10 January 2016 - 04:04 AM.

[BattleBunny]

When running the game through steam you cannot alt-tab out.

[Sir Herman von Bear]

BattleBunny, on 10 January 2016 - 07:30 AM, said:

When running the game through steam you cannot alt-tab out.

Set your game to run in borderlesswindow mode and you can tab out works 100% of the time for me.

[Anarcho]

I didnt read the whole topic, but steam for me is great for the overlay with browser, friends list and stuff...

[LT. HARDCASE]

Patches and updates automatically installing is reason enough for me to use Steam. I'll get home from work on the 19th, and the Warhammer will be loaded and waiting for me.