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[Jody Von Jedi]

I usually don't buy a mech on release day.

Uh, I broke tradition

Lookout Hellbringers, you've met your match in the Tempest.

[trajan331]

Today I am truly happy!

[Dassh]

DustyHardtail, on 16 December 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

File not found. And it is slim from the front which makes it a great sniper. It's actually easier to hit than an awesome from the side though...

By slim I mean that it shouldn't have a "flat" torso like the King Crab at all.

About 'file not found', try to chjeck the original this way then:

http://img707.images...uder125x125.gif

[Antares102]

DevilCrayon, on 16 December 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

sadly, max engine rating of 340 tops your speed out at 78.9kph after speed tweak.

84.6 with speed tweak is an ok speed.

[Gas Guzzler]

Urek Mazino, on 16 December 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

Only the Hero varient has ecm... Really? who's brilliant idea was that?

If you want to use an ECM heavy, Hellbringers are purchasable for free (C-bills).

[CycKath]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 December 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

If you want to use an ECM heavy, Hellbringers are purchasable for free (C-bills).

Or the Phract if you are apposed to Vatborn trash.

[MechPorn]

[Sereglach]

Almost called the archer variants exactly, again, from what I had posted, HERE. That makes me quite thrilled. We're just getting the newer, pure missile, 5W instead of the 2W I had originally recommended. I wasn't too far off on hardpoints, either (at least not the distribution . . . different hardpoint sets on different variants). I'm not complaining, though. We're getting a great set of variants, again, for the classics.

I look forward to seeing this one out on the field. It'll be interesting seeing how this performs vs. role competitors like the Vulture (Mad Dog) and Catapult. 9 missile hardpoints on the 5W will certainly give the Catapult A1 a run for its money.

ECM on the hero is also a bit different . . . it seems to be pulling similar "poetic license" that was taken with the Pirate's Bane. I can only hope that the Information Warfare overhaul is out by this mech's release, because unlike the Pirate's Bane (where ECM was considered a barely saving grace for the hero) I expect the Archer to be quite the performer; which in turn may lead to screams of "Pay to Win" . . . no matter how untrue it may be. I also just want the Information Warfare overhaul to hit so we can actually get the incredibly awesome core mechanic change to ECM that we had on the PTS phases 1-3.


Now . . . if only Flamers would get fixed so I can throw money at PGI. I want to buy these packages, PGI, I really do, but principles are principles and I'm not throwing them to the side.

[AztecD]

Bast@rd2s!!!!

Edited by AztecD, 16 December 2015 - 04:24 PM.

[Urek Mazino]

Arkhangel, on 16 December 2015 - 02:46 PM, said:

Morgan Kell's. "Phantom Mech" ability.

Also, this coming from a clanner? exscuse me whilst i go over here and laugh my *** off you guys have ECM on plenty of annoying mechs covering every battlefield role. IS deserves a few too. and it's not like adding the hero onto your purchase is expensive either.

You know full well I'm not a clanner, We're doing the mech bay round-a-bout right now in contracts. Heck, I'm 99% sure we've dropped together atleast 5-6 times on Steiner hub ArkHangel I'm genuinly surprised you don't remember.

Anyway, It's not just the ECM being only on the hero that bothers me. The last quirk patch also had some mechs like the Top Dog and IV Four be the only varients with CT structure quirks for those mechs. Normally that wouldn't be an issue but at values like +20 Ct structure, it starts to become power creep or give the impression of P2W.

Also yes, The IS have absolute crap in the ways of ECM for CW right now. Which is why I don't like that the Hero is the only varient with ECM capability. The Rifleman by lore has an ECM varient as well, and yet we're not getting that either.

[Arkhangel]

Dassh, on 16 December 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

An Archer what sports exactly the cockpit what a Marauder should have (instead of the classic Archer cockpit on the top of CT)? Weird.

Anyways, as much as I still brake down in tears anytime I think about how cruel they ***** my fav Mech (Marauder) by any means with that terrible design, I have to say that I definietly appreciate this Archer. It's just simply cool. I need one I guess.

Dassh, the Archer's always had a low-mounted cockpit. just like the Marauder's gun was always right torso.

We can't have the designs directly from Macross. you want that, go play Robotech: Battlecry.

I, for one, am happy we're actually finally getting the unseen in. no reason to ***** about something they could just as easily have avoided bringing altogether because of iffy legalese.

[Arkhangel]

Urek Mazino, on 16 December 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

You know full well I'm not a clanner, We're doing the mech bay round-a-bout right now in contracts. Heck, I'm 99% sure we've dropped together atleast 5-6 times on Steiner hub ArkHangel I'm genuinly surprised you don't remember.

Anyway, It's not just the ECM being only on the hero that bothers me. The last quirk patch also had some mechs like the Top Dog and IV Four be the only varients with CT structure quirks for those mechs. Normally that wouldn't be an issue but at values like +20 Ct structure, it starts to become power creep or give the impression of P2W.

Also yes, The IS have absolute crap in the ways of ECM for CW right now. Which is why I don't like that the Hero is the only varient with ECM capability. The Rifleman by lore has an ECM varient as well, and yet we're not getting that either.

I'm aware, Urek sorry, it's just the clan tag. and... in fairness, 60% of what we see clans field is ECM-capable. and, again, it's Morgan Kell's Archer. Can't really give it his "Phantom Mech" ability, so they went with the next closest thing.

additionally, you have to remember the timeframe, we're still in 3050. miffing time a little within 2 years they've done. the ECM Rifleman doesn't hit till 3066, over 15 years later, and also mounts several full IS Tech 2 items, like Light Gauss Rifles and ER Mediums. the ECM Cataphract already existed at the time (experimental, granted, but it still counts).

also, the TD and IV-4 getting those is mainly because they're meant to be tanky, firepower-wise though, they're either not going to hit that well, or overheat quickly. is structure too, after all, which can get them crit out as well, rather than giving them armor bonuses.

Anyways, forgive my sharpness, and hope you guys can break out of being bondsmen soon, since we all know Mercs and Clans would never actually work together willingly.

Edited by Arkhangel, 16 December 2015 - 04:49 PM.

[Urek Mazino]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 December 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

If you want to use an ECM heavy, Hellbringers are purchasable for free (C-bills).

I own Hellbringers. They're useless to me in CW where I'm generally Steiner 11 months of the year. Our only options are the Griffin 2n which is probably the best of the IS ecm. The DDC which is a massive tonnage investment. The Cataphract which has arms below its ankles, the Cicada which cannot boat enough weaponry or ammo due to tonnage restraints, and a bunch of lights which either have poor quirks, poor hardpoints, or are too light and therefor have little to no armor. Or a combination of those negative aspects. an IS heavy is needed, specifically one that is actually functional. I'm hoping we get another Rifleman varient later that has ECM and high mounted weaponry.

[unwary]

The Cataphract 0XP also has ecm but it's not exactly dominating any tier list.

[Audacious Aubergine]

http://i.imgur.com/ARDih84.gifv

[Dassh]

Arkhangel, on 16 December 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

Dassh, the Archer's always had a low-mounted cockpit. just like the Marauder's gun was always right torso.

No it hasn't. Some people painted it that way and some later drawings did this but originally it wasn't at all. There is the miniature in front of me from the 3rd ed. box. But here is a picture too about it. See? It's on top.





And I haven't said a single word about the AC being on ST or not on the MAD (its mounted on ST of course - it wouldn"t have enough crits slots on CT anyways...). So I don't get it...

Arkhangel, on 16 December 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

We can't have the designs directly from Macross. you want that, go play Robotech: Battlecry.

I don't want to go anywhere, I don't even like Robotech. The design what I miss is the Marauder from BT what I know since long decades.
And I know it has to be different. But with keeping the main features, otherwise it is a brand new Mech with the name of an unseen to pump up sales. Like Archer is an unseen too and it can look almost the same, aint it? It just can't be 100% accurate.

Arkhangel, on 16 December 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

I, for one, am happy we're actually finally getting the unseen in. no reason to ***** about something they could just as easily have avoided bringing altogether because of iffy legalese.

I'm interested in the Mechs and not the names. Archer is nice, Marauder is terrible imho. I cannot be bought with the marketing that 'this is an unseen'. So much actually that despite it is my very fav. Mech since like 20 years at least, I still doubt that I will buy it even for C-Bills ever. It tells a lot.
Maybe in Battletech (the video game..) or the next MW game...

It's done and dusted anyways, lets hope the Archer really will be nice at least.

Edited by Dassh, 16 December 2015 - 05:11 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Urek Mazino, on 16 December 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

I own Hellbringers. They're useless to me in CW where I'm generally Steiner 11 months of the year. Our only options are the Griffin 2n which is probably the best of the IS ecm. The DDC which is a massive tonnage investment. The Cataphract which has arms below its ankles, the Cicada which cannot boat enough weaponry or ammo due to tonnage restraints, and a bunch of lights which either have poor quirks, poor hardpoints, or are too light and therefor have little to no armor. Or a combination of those negative aspects. an IS heavy is needed, specifically one that is actually functional. I'm hoping we get another Rifleman varient later that has ECM and high mounted weaponry.

Well a hero mech that fills your niche desire of "an IS ECM heavy other than a Cataphract 0XP" hardly creates a P2W problem.
Really, we will have to see how this chassis performs at all do have any idea what effect it will have on balance. From the available evidence now, I don't see it being meta comp tier.

[VirtualRiot]

Droll all you want but its basically just an IS Mad Dog. The side torso hitboxes will be huge and the arms wont be able to shield all that well. Don't expect to brawl in it, buy for LRM pleasure only

[Solis Obscuri]

Wow, a variant with 9 missile hardpoints, and a Hero 'mech with ECM... I may just have to pick these up to incite rage on the battlefield...

[William Slayer]

OWNED.

This looks like it's going to be alot of fun. The new reduction in ECM range is bringing back a bit of LRM play, and with both a decent ammount of energy and missle hard points on these Archers, I can see several different ways to use them...