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[Mcgral18]

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 12:21 PM, said:

I see Proton, Voltron, psichih0lic, Cico, Jman, Mcgral, Jay Z, Colonel ONeill, Tolson, Suspect, Better Call Saul, Gas Guzzler, Coburn, bear claw, Spr1ggan, Ghozzt, TwinkyOverlord, and others

All the normal people with too much time on their hands littering the top10 in all the IIC categories (the only ones that really matter for what you're talking about.

I'll have you note, I have played a perfectly reasonable amount, and am only in 1 leaderboard.


Debating the A...but I'm thinking not. Haven't elited it yet.

[Weeny Machine]

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

They are more competitive period. Also, Marauders have been out for a while, people have them mastered and A LOT of people are still playing them. I'd guess there are more people in-general playing the Marauder meaning less point spread. However, there are a lot more competitive players grinding the iic's because it just came out. Two things are happening: 1) Players are grinding their iics 2) players are testing their viability and learning them because they could have a huge impact in competitive leagues once allowed to be used.

more people haven't even finished grinding their iic's meaning they are not performing as well with suboptimal mech skills.

Also, of all the names I mentioned, practically NONE of those players are piloting Marauders for this event.

They have issues. I love to play lights because of speed and agility. Speed they have but there is a "spongy" feeling to it and no agility...like driving a truck.

Then there is the fragility. The Jenner blows up so much easier than an ACH or FS.

[Solahma]

Mcgral18, on 21 December 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

perfectly reasonable amount

"Typical amount" seems like your intent, which doesn't necessarily mean reasonable

I've had ~3 hours online in the past few days and about ~25 matches total. Top 20, would be interested to see how many more it would take to be in the Top 10, Top 5, etc.

Don't get me wrong, all it takes is consistently good games which comes natural to good players, but it's still primarily RNGeesus for solo queuing it. And getting as many matches as possible to kill the lower scoring matches. The more drops you get, the better your top 10 games will be. And to score 3.5k+ you need a lot more than 30 games I would guess. Good players would get there in ~50. It might take double or triple that amount for others.

Edited by Solahma, 21 December 2015 - 01:37 PM.

[Weeny Machine]

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

"Typical amount" seems like your intent, which doesn't necessarily mean reasonable

I've had ~3 hours online in the past few days and about ~25 matches total. Top 20, would be interested to see how many more it would take to be in the Top 10, Top 5, etc.

Don't get me wrong, all it takes is consistently good games which comes natural to good players, but it's still primarily RNGeesus for solo queuing it.

RNG is, as you say, involved as well. You need an opponent who is no victim, yet not too strong to overcome your team etc

[Solahma]

Bush Hopper, on 21 December 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

Then there is the fragility. The Jenner blows up so much easier than an ACH or FS.

Different stroke for different blokes. If you snow rally your corvette you're gunna have a bad time.

You can't compare a jenner (IS OR CLAN) 1:1 with an ACH or FS. They all have their own play styles and suitable builds to excel at those play-styles. Most JR7 I see running around are trying to play like ACH and FS9 and getting slaughtered. Then they immediately blame their mech.

[DAYLEET]

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

I've had ~3 hours online in the past few days and about ~25 matches total. Top 20, would be interested to see how many more it would take to be in the Top 10, Top 5, etc.

From my past experience with leaderboard, it's not hard to get top 20. I have to start changing my loadout to go past 17, then to go past 12-10 i need to go almost full meta.

[Weeny Machine]

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

Different stroke for different blokes. If you snow rally your corvette you're gunna have a bad time.

You can't compare a jenner (IS OR CLAN) 1:1 with an ACH or FS. They all have their own play styles and suitable builds to excel at those play-styles. Most JR7 I see running around are trying to play like ACH and FS9 and getting slaughtered. Then they immediately blame their mech.

Don't twist my words. I compared hitboxes. And hitboxes have nothing to do with playstyle. In an ideal world every mech would have the same ones (yeah, it is not possible, I know).

And just since you imply I'd play it like an ACH. Usually I play my Oxide and pretty much every other light mech. What cracks me up is that I perform much better with my Oxide than with my Jenner IIC O

[Madcap72]

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

They are more competitive period. Also, Marauders have been out for a while, people have them mastered and A LOT of people are still playing them. I'd guess there are more people in-general playing the Marauder meaning less point spread. However, there are a lot more competitive players grinding the iic's because it just came out. Two things are happening: 1) Players are grinding their iics 2) players are testing their viability and learning them because they could have a huge impact in competitive leagues once allowed to be used.

more people haven't even finished grinding their iic's meaning they are not performing as well with suboptimal mech skills.

Also, of all the names I mentioned, practically NONE of those players are piloting Marauders for this event.

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

They are more competitive period. Also, Marauders have been out for a while, people have them mastered and A LOT of people are still playing them. I'd guess there are more people in-general playing the Marauder meaning less point spread. However, there are a lot more competitive players grinding the iic's because it just came out. Two things are happening: 1) Players are grinding their iics 2) players are testing their viability and learning them because they could have a huge impact in competitive leagues once allowed to be used.

more people haven't even finished grinding their iic's meaning they are not performing as well with suboptimal mech skills.

Also, of all the names I mentioned, practically NONE of those players are piloting Marauders for this event.

There is a minimum of 2841 people that have dropped in a Marauder based on single low point drop I did in a 5m to check the range of people.
" I'd guess there are more people in-general playing the Marauder meaning less point spread. "
That's why I said look at the top 50, which allows direct comparison to the top 50 2C players.


You can make up a bunch of reasons to try to explain why the numbers don't support your idea, but based on data, the Marauders given the same scoring methodology, are competitive with everything else in the tournament.

[Spr1ggan]

Solahma, on 21 December 2015 - 12:21 PM, said:

I see Proton, Voltron, psichih0lic, Cico, Jman, Mcgral, Jay Z, Colonel ONeill, Tolson, Suspect, Better Call Saul, Gas Guzzler, Coburn, bear claw, Spr1ggan, Ghozzt, TwinkyOverlord, and others

All the normal people with too much time on their hands littering the top10 in all the IIC categories (the only ones that really matter for what you're talking about. Because no vet is going to buy the performance packs, and many are playing the more competitive IIC mechs over the Marauder)

Sure, there are others on there, but there are also many good solo players that have no reputation. Not to mention a few alts here and there.

Seems pretty normal to me.

The only one i tried for was the Jenner IIC-A then saw the rando with a 4k score and decided yeah that's not gonna happen as i don't have the time i used to. Got a job to go to and shizzle. My other Jenner variant places are from levelling them to master and general play and playing with builds.

[Spr1ggan]

What's the deal with the leaderboard? It's supposed to update every 15 mins and that's twice now where i've had a big scoring match not up my score. Had a 7 kill nearly 700 damage match yesterday and the score didn't update, tonight had a 7 kill 800+ damage game and again it hasn't upped my score. Even though those games were far better than a lot of the previous ones.

[Ted Wayz]

Bush Hopper, on 21 December 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

I had a look at the leaderboard and was a bit confused. Is it just me or are there a lot of new names and less of the notorious beasts from previous events?
Most names I haven't even seen in-game. Are these T4-5s who do seal clubbing or what is going on?

So again we are assuming PSR has something to do with skill and not with just playing a lot? Despite Paul telling us it has nothing to do with skill and anyone can be Tier 1 if they play a lot.

You guys are soooo fragile. Why? This isn't a competitive game. Your Tier means nothing and if we keep PSR over time it will mean less.

Just maybe some of these players are people who are good gamers that came from Steam. Maybe they are just better than you. Maybe if we had a true skill system then ranking would mean something.

All conjecture. Fill in the blank. It means nothing.

[Solahma]

Madcap72, on 21 December 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

You can make up a bunch of reasons to try to explain why the numbers don't support your idea, but based on data, the Marauders given the same scoring methodology, are competitive with everything else in the tournament.

Because leaderboard stats definitely determine what mechs are competitive /s

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Solahma]

Bush Hopper, on 21 December 2015 - 02:08 PM, said:

Don't twist my words. I compared hitboxes. And hitboxes have nothing to do with playstyle. In an ideal world every mech would have the same ones (yeah, it is not possible, I know).

No, hitboxes have everything to do with playstyle. It's a primary driver in what loadout you take and how you play the mech. Hitboxes, hardpoints, and engine caps drive everything. There is a reason you play the Jenner differently than an ACH or FS9. And these differences do not make it's hitboxes objectively better or worse because you cannot compare mechs on a 1:1 like that. JR7 hitboxes are fine for what the mech excels at because it is supported by its harpoints. FS9's hitboxes are fine because its playstyle and its harpoints also support this play. It's a parametric balance.