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[TLBFestus]

I don't play nearly as much as I used too, but there I was the other day and I decided that I'd do a few drops solo before my friends came online and we played our usual Sunday night matches together. May as well collect some of the freebies that PGI was offering in this latest challenge.

So, I hit quick play, and the game thinks for a bit, collecting the players it needs to start the match and before long the voting screen comes up. Not bad, typically the wait is less than a minute for me dropping pug. Anyhow, the screen comes up and there are the usual 4 maps to pick from and for the first time I can recall two of them are Frozen City and Frozen City Night.

Now, I have never viewed these maps as different maps. They are the same map, one is just a tad darker than the other. Others may disagree and that's fine, but bear with me a moment.

As the game loads I generally peruse the teams looking for familiar names, and there's one there that I see on the forums.

So, I mention in the chat, "LOL, really? They consider these two different maps?". Again, my opinion, that's all I was going to say about it. Some will agree, others won't.

Well, next thing you know I'm getting harped at on team voip, from the guy I recognized who evidently recognizes me too, that "Festus, you are such a hater of this game why do you even bother to play, why don't you just quit?".

I won't go into all the reasons I think that comment was stupid and ignorant except to say that there is nothing wrong with being critical of the game and being that does not automatically make anyone a "hater".

He yapped at me, I yapped back, the game played out. I stunk, died early and went on to play a few more games before logging out and later gaming with my buddies.

Nothing that I described above really bugged me. I personally don't care that this guy disagrees with me. However, after some time had passed, I realized that something did bother me.

He also mentioned over comms that because he sees me as a "hater" that he has me blocked on the forums. Well then.....this isfor you buddy "FIRETRUCK YOU" (Just a test to see if he really is reading this or not).

At first glance, big deal he blocked me. After thinking about it a bit, that did bother me a bit. Not personally but in a larger sense. I can understand blocking someone who's personally attacking you, stalking you and harassing you. Totally get that, but to block someone because you don't like their opinion, well that's just sad.

I don't agree with many people on these forums, but I've never taken to blocking them so I don't have to read their posts. One one hand, sometimes they have things to say that are actually interesting, insightful and articulate and I don't want to miss that. Other times it's like watching a car wreck and like most people I can't help but look.

But to block someone because you don't want to hear their point of view just amazes me. You miss out on so much and not listening to other points of view is about as narrow minded as you can get.

I've had disagreements with people in real life that taught me something. I've even argued with people and had my mind changed, or they theirs because they or I lacked some pertinent information. To shut people out like that though is very closed minded.

I have not once, ever blocked a person on this forum or any other because they disagreed with me. It just feels "wrong".

Personally the fact that this individual blocked me means very little to me, but in the larger scope I admit I found it troubling.

There, I feel better, got that off my chest.

Edited by TLBFestus, 21 December 2015 - 12:26 PM.

[MrJeffers]

While the maps are the same pattern, they are in fact different. Frozen City Night doesn't have weather effects (fog) that Frozen City has, and thus is usually preferred.

[Madcap72]

So, they're calculated as two differnt maps... so what?


Also, why you gotta be a hater?

[PurpleNinja]

This is a game, on the Internet.
I'm a much more considerate and nice person offline and most of the time this is not hypocrisy.
Online I'm choose to be a troll and a flamer.

Edited by PurpleNinja, 21 December 2015 - 12:37 PM.

[CDLord HHGD]

I have only blocked two people on these forums. One was personally attacking me, the other trolled me in all my posts and refused to agree to just disagree...

They have since stopped visiting my every post, I do not see them very often anymore, and I am considering unblocking that person (especially since some of the posts I have seen lately from this person I have agreed with).

[xTrident]

Regardless of whether this person you're referring to is wrong in their view... It sounds like they think you're just a hater and I would guess that's why they blocked you. If that's the case it doesn't really have much to do with disagreeing with your opinion.

MrJeffers, on 21 December 2015 - 12:28 PM, said:

While the maps are the same pattern, they are in fact different. Frozen City Night doesn't have weather effects (fog) that Frozen City has, and thus is usually preferred.

But... The layout is the same - basically the same map. I don't care, but I understand what the OP is saying.

But let's not focus on the OP's opinion of the map since that's not his point anyway. As he said - it's his opinion anyone can disagree.

Edited by xTrident, 21 December 2015 - 12:53 PM.

[Hobo Dan]

Bakers gonna Bake! ... wait... sorry, wife jut sent homemade cookie pictures

Haters gonna hate!

[Excessive Paranoia]

PurpleNinja, on 21 December 2015 - 12:36 PM, said:

This is a game, on the Internet.
I'm a much more considerate and nice person offline and most of the time this is not hypocrisy.
Online I'm choose to be a troll and a flamer.

I have never, and will never, understand the logic of presenting yourself like this. If you're a good person, be a good person online, because if you present yourself as a bad person online, then you're really just that. Claiming to be a good person and then acting the opposite online is pretty much just admitting to being a closeted jerk.

[Johnny Z]

If it makes you feel any better I think everyone making this game and most long time players that read the forums has blocked me.

Edited by Johnny Z, 21 December 2015 - 01:16 PM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Excessive Paranoia, on 21 December 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

I have never, and will never, understand the logic of presenting yourself like this. If you're a good person, be a good person online, because if you present yourself as a bad person online, then you're really just that. Claiming to be a good person and then acting the opposite online is pretty much just admitting to being a closeted jerk.

People tend to be much more polite in face to face interactions to avoid confrontation. With the way I've seen people talk to each other over the internet, phone, or with a physical barrier between them that if there were no barrier then the likelihood of a physical confrontation skyrockets.

I've been in a few fights for something someone has said to me in person.

The ability to avoid confrontation emboldens people.

Edited by Lord Scarlett Johan, 21 December 2015 - 01:21 PM.

[xTrident]

Excessive Paranoia, on 21 December 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

I have never, and will never, understand the logic of presenting yourself like this. If you're a good person, be a good person online, because if you present yourself as a bad person online, then you're really just that. Claiming to be a good person and then acting the opposite online is pretty much just admitting to being a closeted jerk.

Agreed. I actually get quite frustrated at times when playing against people online because they act like such jerks.

I understand it's "just" a game... But where the hell has all of the integrity gone? Where did being a good sport go? I've run into my fair share of jerks on MWO but there are so many more on other games I play multiplayer.

No one can just beat you, they also have to kick you while you're down... Make sure they rub it in your face you were beaten. For me it works both ways. Yeah, I suppose I should never take it personally (most of the time I don't, depends on my mood), or be serious because after all - it is just a game. But on the flip side why do people have to purposely be a *****? It's just a game...

Edited by xTrident, 21 December 2015 - 01:25 PM.

[LordNothing]

the only difference is on frozen city night, the sun is up, and on frozen city, you cant see anything.

i have a feeling at some point pgi will redo the map with a day/night cycle, or they might be sitting on it until they can get some dynamic weather going on. otherwise you will loose the cant see nothing version of the map.

[Excessive Paranoia]

LordNothing, on 21 December 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

the only difference is on frozen city night, the sun is up, and on frozen city, you cant see anything.

i have a feeling at some point pgi will redo the map with a day/night cycle, or they might be sitting on it until they can get some dynamic weather going on. otherwise you will loose the cant see nothing version of the map.

I was under the impression they already had dynamic weather effects to a degree? In both river city and forest colony there is morning fog that dissipates after the sun rises.

[Alistair Winter]

Didn't read the OP, as I've actually blocked you.

I block people all the time, because I have a temper and I get annoyed when people are rude. It's hard for me to let that stuff go. It ruins my day. Some people are really cool, it just slides off them like water off a duck's back. You could say that people just need to find their zen and learn to let go, but.... sheeeet.

[LordNothing]

Excessive Paranoia, on 21 December 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

I was under the impression they already had dynamic weather effects to a degree? In both river city and forest colony there is morning fog that dissipates after the sun rises.

i think thats more of a lighting artifact from the day night cycle. and frankly it doesnt look like fog. it looks like a shader bug.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 December 2015 - 01:41 PM.

[Moldur]

Welcome to online gaming :T

[0bsidion]

Well, personally I wouldn't block anyone for just disagreeing with me. If I did that I'd have a pretty sizable block list at this point. I don't really base who I like or don't like on that. It has more to be with how they present themselves and their disagreements. So yeah, if this guy blocked you merely because he disagrees with you that'd be kinda sad.

Usually the people that I consider blocking are trollish and generally don't contribute anything meaningful in their posts on a pretty consistent basis. There are a couple individuals that are borderline, but I won't name names.

[Tyler Valentine]

Hater!

Great post actually. You just summed up the problem with American politics (probably other countries too, my lack of knowledge of foreign political systems is another American problem). If someone is on the "other team" you're not even allowed to listen to their point of view and acknowledge valid points anymore or you're a traitor. Leads to gridlock and nothing getting done.

Regardless of if we all agree with each other it's important to listen.

[Lyoto Machida]

That's pretty petty of him to block you like that but it's his option. Also, I've never seen a "Firetruck You" on here before...you could probably report him for his name to get back at him lol.

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 21 December 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

People tend to be much more polite in face to face interactions to avoid confrontation. With the way I've seen people talk to each other over the internet, phone, or with a physical barrier between them that if there were no barrier then the likelihood of a physical confrontation skyrockets.

I've been in a few fights for something someone has said to me in person.

The ability to avoid confrontation emboldens people.

An armed society is a polite society.

[Accused]

Of course they're two different maps. When they finally get redone we'll have a Frozen City map with night cycles and a Frozen City night map with day cycles. Don't know why you people don't use your heads.