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[MauttyKoray]

Russhuster, on 23 December 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

@ Widowmaker
you state the IIC Mechs wouldnt have any quirks .. well thats not quite true

As all clan mechs they suffer from the hidden negative quirks and penaltys all clan mechs have to cope with
as there are
the -20% agility Nerf (via the skilltree)
the heat Nerf by stomping the Clan double heat sink to single heatsink Capacity ( Clan Double cap. 1.1 needing 2 spaces IS single cap 1.0 needing 1 space with same weight)
the heat Penalty Nerf for all Clan mechs
the Ghostheat penaltys what IS doesnt has at all in that dimension
the longer burntime and larger Salvos and resulting high jamchance
and last but not least the Clan UAC bug and the Clan PPC Bug what are not nerfs per se but known bugs what are not fixed for years now, so as a Clan player you have to cope with these

considering this the IIC s are not having quirks of positive kind but a quite nasty pack of Nerfs already

and how many Heatsinks with IS single heatsink capacity do you need or can you put into a Hunchback IIC to cope with the higher heat of the bugy Clan PPCs? that tend to fire through the target inflicting absolutely NO damage but the heat you get delivered for sure

Actually I like the heatsink change. Clans were described as perfecting heat exchange, thus the higher cooling makes a lot more sense rather than higher heat cap. (MWO heat cap is already too high)

[Sjorpha]

Clan and IS feels quite well balanced after the dec 1st quirk pass, that's great.

The iic mechs I think it's too early to judge just yet how good they will be, but they didn't become instantly overpowered which is a very good thing, and probably thanks to the dec 1st rebalance. If they turn out to be underpowered later on after real competitive trial and error then I guess they'll get structure bonuses or something, but I wouldn't go ahead with that until after a couple months of live testing at least. The fact that some of the strongest variants are early adopters that only a few have doesn't make that testing easier. The 6E Jenner iic was the one I thought might turn out to be a bit much, but it's hard to say since I can't play it or see it played much. From my own play with the Jenner iic it's extremely glass cannon, but it's not a bad glass cannon. Surprisingly I think the Highlander iic might be the most potent one, clan tech advantages are compunded by tonnage and here you can optimize tonnage really well.

Now the problem with this current good balance is of course that it relies entirely on giving the IS side massive quirks. It works, but it's going to require pretty much every new IS mech to have them and it would be much better IMO to have better base tech balance and very low quirks.

[Russhuster]

@MauttyKoray

Maybe i do not see your point, so could you explain where clan is perfecting heat exchange?

A clan double Heatsink( Heat cap at 1.1) has almost the same puny capacity like an IS SINGLE !!! heat sink(heat cap 1.0) and is not reaching the heat dissipation rate of a is double heat sink
Clan DHS 1,4 dissip rate vs IS DHS heat dissip rate 1.4
so where do you see a higher cooling there?
IN Addition to the heat nerfs Clan already has and the Ghostheat penalties Clan has combied with the more heat producing clan tech i can see absolutely NO perfecting of any heat exchange

In BT LORE it is true that the clans are sayed to have a very efficient heat system but this is MWO
and MWO has absolutly nothing to do with BT or LORE

Edited by Russhuster, 23 December 2015 - 04:05 AM.

[Satan n stuff]

Owen Miller, on 22 December 2015 - 02:51 PM, said:

I don't think them being fragile is a myth. Every time I see one of these mechs (Especially the hunchback or the Orion), I salivate because I know my UAC will shred them in seconds.

That might have something to do with them not having locked engines and having clantech, meaning lots of firepower and a primary target. I do just fine in my HBK-IIC most of the time, but they are a bit more fragile than the IS version.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 23 December 2015 - 04:02 AM.

[V O L T R O N]

Stefka Kerensky, on 22 December 2015 - 11:04 PM, said:

From what I saw in drops, IIC do need something.
Better pilots.

Sadly I decided to have my HGN-IIC for c-bills....and I have to wait April

Stefka Kerensky, on 22 December 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

About the Hunchie-IIC, I see many pilots going close, indeed.
Instead, the hide and seek you refer, it is awesome and correct, thanks to its very high hardpoints and longer range.
Meanwhile too much pilots are piloting as it were an IS-HUnchie. Which is not.

O really... Speaking from ignorance are we? I am a bad pilot? you are better than Cico? psichiholic? Me, Jman5? Dont turn me into any more of an ******* than I already am.

Was also a tourney, you have very little choice to pump out the perfect game at range to compete at the top of those brackets.

They need a little help, not a lot, but the fact is, the only viable builds in their current state were max engines anyway, which means their advantage is nothing.

The pilots I listed above I am speaking for them w/me. Our scores would have been much higher in the IFS counterparts or almost any other decently quirked mech for that matter.

Edited by V O L T R O N, 23 December 2015 - 04:20 AM.

[V O L T R O N]

I get rekt 1vs1 by almost any mech in the game in the 2c mechs. **** someone with very many machine guns is a nightmare because you are open within about 2 1/2 seconds, and I mean that literally. No they arent meant for dueling I suppose, but any light shouldnt easily be able to beat a highlander if he doesnt have streaks

Edited by V O L T R O N, 23 December 2015 - 04:25 AM.

[Lily from animove]

V O L T R O N, on 23 December 2015 - 04:23 AM, said:

I get rekt 1vs1 by almost any mech in the game in the 2c mechs. **** someone with very many machine guns is a nightmare because you are open within about 2 1/2 seconds, and I mean that literally. No they arent meant for dueling I suppose, but any light shouldnt easily be able to beat a highlander if he doesnt have streaks

I think the original intention of the OP is showing that "Clans Op" is not true, becasue IIC would be not as trahsy as many experience it, because if "clan XL huge advantage" is true. It just shows that the entire IS vs Clan discussion is nonsense and that maybe imbalance was never a clan vs is thing, instead it was clearly a chassis related problem. Op just has chosen quite some, not so suitable methods to express this.

[V O L T R O N]

Lily from animove, on 23 December 2015 - 04:32 AM, said:

I think the original intention of the OP is showing that "Clans Op" is not true, becasue IIC would be not as trahsy as many experience it, because if "clan XL huge advantage" is true. It just shows that the entire IS vs Clan discussion is nonsense and that maybe imbalance was never a clan vs is thing, instead it was clearly a chassis related problem. Op just has chosen quite some, not so suitable methods to express this.

Ive asked your rhetorical redundant *** to stop responding to my post. Would you please pretend I dont exist. Stop trying to explain to me anything when you have 1/10th the experience. We're not children here, so stop the belittling condescending B S .....ok? Go away, leave me the flock alone.

So my post has nothing to do with ANYTHING you just said. Thanks

I am in support of the OPs post. You are not, so dont badger the people just because you dont agree and have nothing to contribute.

Edited by V O L T R O N, 23 December 2015 - 04:44 AM.

[Lily from animove]

V O L T R O N, on 23 December 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

Ive asked your rhetorical redundant *** to stop responding to my post. Would you please pretend I dont exist. Stop trying to explain to me anything when you have 1/10th the experience. We're not children here, so stop the belittling condescending B S .....ok? Go away, leave me the flock alone.

So my post has nothing to do with ANYTHING you just said. Thanks

I am in support of the OPs post. You are not, so dont badger the people just because you dont agree and have nothing to contribute.

if it annoys you, put me on the ignore function of the Forum. 10x Xp, wow because that totally qualifies for much, execpt having played more in quantity. It's not like this quantity has any value to quality. Especially not with all the nonsense you told already in many threads that was just wrong by facts. So 10x the eperience, yet you have not even udnertsood some of the simple mechanics of the game, Liek you still vlaue t1 as something properly, or how good you perform, despite many screens just shwowing you below the Min damage you do "at least"

Yeah put me on ignore and you can freely keep talking your nonsnese undisturbed.

[KuroNyra]

Grimm Peaper, on 22 December 2015 - 03:26 PM, said:

You...duck!

I am a Duck and I find this offensive.

Member of Canard PC community. (Canard = Duck in French. You Grimm Reaper wannabe! )

[V O L T R O N]

Lily from animove, on 23 December 2015 - 04:58 AM, said:

if it annoys you, put me on the ignore function of the Forum. 10x Xp, wow because that totally qualifies for much, execpt having played more in quantity. It's not like this quantity has any value to quality. Especially not with all the nonsense you told already in many threads that was just wrong by facts. So 10x the eperience, yet you have not even udnertsood some of the simple mechanics of the game, Liek you still vlaue t1 as something properly, or how good you perform, despite many screens just shwowing you below the Min damage you do "at least"

Yeah put me on ignore and you can freely keep talking your nonsnese undisturbed.

Im sure you re a terrible pilot considering I have never ever ever seen you in one drop. You spend more time on the forums than in game. Add either one of my names in game, and we can private lobby same mech vs same mech build vs build and ill show you what experience looks like.

Wheres the ignore function and help both of us out. My friends and I are sick of responding to your forum post.

Edited by V O L T R O N, 23 December 2015 - 05:13 AM.

[reign]

All you have to do is look at the current faction map. People play to the strongest mechs / meta. And clan IIC is not it.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Nightshade24, on 22 December 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

I can't wait for the Raptor (first IS omni, 3052) to come out... because ya know... no quirks... hard wiring... etc.

It's a 25 ton mech...

yeah... not gonna see it anytime soon because PGI won't make a red cent off it with how popular the low weight light mechs are

Now given that it's a 7/11 instead of 8/12 mech... I don't like to say DOA but...

Edited by Narcissistic Martyr, 23 December 2015 - 05:26 AM.

[Kyynele]

Grimm Peaper, on 22 December 2015 - 02:43 PM, said:

• Man, I paid good RL money for these, now I feel ripped off [You should. You got exactly what you deserved, which is a taste of your own medicine. Karma is a @#$(. You reap what you sow.]

Could you expand on this a bit? I bought the full set, and yes indeed, 50% of the mechs in it are really, really, disappointingly bad. What exactly have I done to deserve some more useless mechs? How is this a taste of my own medicine? Have I sold someone bad mechs? What has karma got to do with this?

That just doesn't make any sense to me. It just sounds like you're butthurt about something, and I can't be bothered to figure out what that is.

[STEF_]

V O L T R O N, on 23 December 2015 - 04:18 AM, said:

O really... Speaking from ignorance are we? I am a bad pilot? you are better than Cico? psichiholic? Me, Jman5? Dont turn me into any more of an ******* than I already am.

?? that's not the point, Volt.
You did well, and so Cico and the other ones.

BUT, the hunchie IIC pilots I saw and see did and do very bad.

You do know that pilots are more important that mechs.

IMO, IIC are in a good spot. Some quirks needed, here or there, but they are not sh!t at all.

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 23 December 2015 - 05:52 AM.

[Ghogiel]

I am amused when players tell others players that are better than them, they ain't that good. That's like admitting they are trash and still sayng the other player is better than them anyway.

[Lily from animove]

V O L T R O N, on 23 December 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

Ya, you are bad, wont duel, cant beat a fly, stay on the forums, wheres the ignore function again?.....Post one screen shot and say many. Yes I have died many times with very little damage because im not a coward to push or people are good and hit, or get lucky, or have a good shot, **** happens. My numbers and staistics, my tourney scores, my mrbc record, my dueling record, xp, k/d, w/l, games played all out do you. You are garbage, will always be forever a forum warrior.

Profile --> Forum Profile --> "Edit my profile" Button --> Ignore preferences.

Not sure if the link works itself, but it does not contain userinformation so it shoudl work universal

http://mwomercs.com/...ea=ignoredusers

[Viges]

what is cw?


anyway people are so boring now, all about their epeens, I haven't even seen this funny guy once yet

Edited by Viges, 23 December 2015 - 06:03 AM.

[Psycho Icon]

Ghogiel, on 23 December 2015 - 05:57 AM, said:

I am amused when players tell others players that are better than them, they ain't that good. That's like admitting they are trash and still sayng the other player is better than them anyway.

Ya, especially when they dont have the balls to stand by their words and prove it.

Lily from animove, on 23 December 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

Profile --> Forum Profile --> "Edit my profile" Button --> Ignore preferences.

Not sure if the link works itself, but it does not contain userinformation so it shoudl work universal

http://mwomercs.com/...ea=ignoredusers

T H A N K Y O U ! ! !

[Dawnstealer]

Grimm Peaper, on 22 December 2015 - 02:43 PM, said:

I get a good laugh at the herp derp comments from the pro-IS/nerf-the-p2w-clans crowd now that one of "thiers" got the clan treatment so that they can finally pilot a clan equipped mech and OMG, hell froze over, wow, the clan version kinda, y'know, s.u.c.k.s.

I keep reading comments like:

• Man, IIC mechs die so easily. I feel like a glass cannon. [myth: Clan XL provides god mode survivability. IS structure buffs easily equal Clan XL side blow out]
  
• Man, IIC mechs are so sluggish [myth: Clan mechs get free agility buffs from their engines. They forget that clan mechs pay for it in huge tonnage costs. Yes clans get the speed at XL tonnage costs, but most clan mechs are so over-buffed on engine that they have small payloads for weapons. Take a look at the gargoyle, Executioner, shadowcat, etc. The only exception is the Direwolf and it pays for it with ridiculous turn rate/angle. You know what is a free agility buff? Free agility Quirk buffs that cost no tonnage. Once you start lowering the engine to get more tonnage for more weapons, your agility loses out.]
  
• Man, where are ma' quirks [IS pilots are addicted to quirks. It's expected now. It's like my kids who can't conceive of a world without the internet or cell phones. Not having quirks is like an ice bucket shower to them. No quirks, trivial/token quirks or even negative quirks are what the other clan mechs get.]
  
• Man, they are gonna add quirks right? Eventually? [Unless things radically change, clans mechs only ever get trivial quirks, if any at all. You're not going to get IS level structure and accel/decel quirks on your IIC mechs. Sorry. Just no. LOL. If you want that extra maneuverability, pay for it with engine tonnage like all the other clan mechs. As for structure quirks, you're just gonna have to live with that. Hate to break it to ya, but yeah.....]
  
• Man, I paid good RL money for these, now I feel ripped off [You should. You got exactly what you deserved, which is a taste of your own medicine. Karma is a @#$(. You reap what you sow.]

I could go on and on about the innate heatsink buffs to IS, the extra tonnage in CW, the lower burn time on their lasers, etc but I know that the clan-nerf-lobyists will never get enough. They often only compare a single facet of IS vs Clan and omg, clan weapons weigh less, and never consider all the other buffs they get or their ridiculous quirks. I just wanted to enjoy a good laugh for a bit. Oh the irony, or should I say, oh the Grid Irony....



Edit: Added quotes per request...



IIC mechs suck:










Clan XL will not save you:







IIC mechs should have quirks:


IIC mechs will eventually get quirks: