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[Deathlike]

Sandpit, on 03 January 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

if you're going to bother to respond, you should actually read the thread and understand what you're commenting on

I actually answered it.

Really.

There is no accountability. So, it'll keep happening whether you like it or not.

[Sandpit]

Deathlike, on 03 January 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

There is no accountability. So, it'll keep happening whether you like it or not.

i know
doesn't mean we can't discuss it and come up with ways to help mitigate it.

[Deathlike]

Sandpit, on 03 January 2016 - 08:14 PM, said:

i know
doesn't mean we can't discuss it and come up with ways to help mitigate it.

Well, good luck with that.

When you have people intentionally tanking to reach Tier 4 or 5, there's no other real point besides reporting them... and even then, I doubt they care.

The greater issue is that if the queues are more like "casual" and "competitive/ranked/group".. you'd probably see less of this... less solo players complaining about "tryhards" and more players of the same team mindset to play together. The only thing you'd actually see complaining is of the "conspiratorial" variety (big teams or good players trying to troll them or sync drop).

[GrimRiver]

Im mostly pub now since noobs who just made their profiles have taken over CW, a few days in a row I've tried to join up in CW with people who at least knows whats going on but 90% of my team are using trials that get rektstomped and im like "...sigh".

Im just gonna wait a while until the noobs either get driven out of CW from all the stomps or until they become semi-competent.

[Sandpit]

GrimRiver, on 03 January 2016 - 08:27 PM, said:

Im mostly pub now since noobs who just made their profiles have taken over CW, a few days in a row I've tried to join up in CW with people who at least knows whats going on but 90% of my team are using trials that get rektstomped and im like "...sigh".

Im just gonna wait a while until the noobs either get driven out of CW from all the stomps or until they become semi-competent.

I can't speak to other factions but any time those of us on Marik's TS jump into CW we invite the solos and PUGs that want to join us whether we're a 2man or 11 man. Helps them get a better experience in CW and helps mitigate what you're talking about. Some of this is on the community.

PGI gave us the tolls to communicate in game and have access to VOIP, it's on us to use them. It's on those bigger units to help out those new members in your faction and help improve your CW at the same time.

[Thunder Child]

I get what you're saying Sandpit. The question is where to draw the line.
Fortunately, you made your line clear (on page 6 or 7, I think it was), but I think the majority of people arguing that "Pub games don't matter" are referring to having fun in the quick drops, without bothering overly much about existential conundrums like "Tactics".
And then they get some high and mighty Tier 1 wannabe jumping up and down, waving his hands, and yelling over VOIP about how we are "All Bad, and our mothers should be ashamed they ever pooped us out" etc. The majority of us are referring to this kind of player, when we say they should join the group queue.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that people should try to win. But the Quick Play queue is bound to have a few oddballs, or muppets, or people that just want to pick their nose and watch porn while the game idles in the background.
And it will also have players like me who are running Super Stock Urbanmechs, or 12 Flamer Novas, or that brand spanking new STK-4N, which is still actually Stock because there wasn't enough C-bills left over to fit it out.

The problem is, not everyone draws the same line you do, as regards to griefing. Many would probably consider my Super Stock AC 20 STD60 Urbie to be someone just Trolling. Some would believe it is deliberate sabotage of their KDR. Some would consider my refusal to run META in the Quick Play Queue to be an affront to their god. But I will do my best to win with that build. And then we get some tryhard, who goes postal in team chat / all chat / VOIP. And our response is, "It's Just the PUG queue".

Because, if they seriously wanted to avoid all the grief, they would find 12 like minded individuals, and play in the competitive (AKA Group) queue, where they could have all their Tier 1 Uber-mechs, with super leet skilled players, and Battle Plan 32 Alpha-C.

Yes, everyone should try to win, but PUGs will be PUGs.

Edited by Thunder Child, 03 January 2016 - 10:33 PM.

[Sandpit]

Thunder Child, on 03 January 2016 - 10:29 PM, said:

The problem is, not everyone draws the same line you do, as regards to griefing. .

here's the only part I realyl disagreed with you on. Griefing isn't "opinionated" in this context, we have a deliberate CoC which defines the terms of griefing
running a "bad" build (like you were posting about) The examples I gave very specifically listed those types of behavior as well

[Jack Booted Thug]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

The PUB queue isn't your personal toilet.

Sometimes?