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[Ron Kramer]

I saw this in CW today - when would we want to use this?

[Piney II]

Shot up with no weapons or out of ammo. Time for the next mech.

[Captain Stiffy]

you are out of weapons or legged and need to respawn with your team

[Y E O N N E]

It can also be used to cheese your way out of getting out-played in terms of positioning.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 28 December 2015 - 05:26 PM.

[Sandpit]

Ron Kramer, on 28 December 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

I saw this in CW today - when would we want to use this?

inexperienced players often do this when they run out of ammo and/or weapons.

Running out to make the other team waste ammo on you instead of the fresh mechs that just reinforced is ALWAYS a better option than just ejecting.

[Khobai]

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Running out to make the other team waste ammo on you instead of the fresh mechs that just reinforced is ALWAYS a better option than just ejecting.

not always. say your team is about to rush the generators and your mech has no weapons. you are no real help to your team without weapons.

yes you could rush in and get killed by enemies, but then your team is going to be pushing gennies with 1 less mech, and its going to take a few minutes for you to respawn and rejoin your team... during which time your team is down a mech. where if you just ejected, your team would have another fresh mech for the push.

so no its not always as black and white as you make it out to be. theres definitely a grey area where ejecting is the best option.

Edited by Khobai, 28 December 2015 - 05:32 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

inexperienced players often do this when they run out of ammo and/or weapons.

Running out to make the other team waste ammo on you instead of the fresh mechs that just reinforced is ALWAYS a better option than just ejecting.

Or, even better, running out to scout the enemy and inform your team of their next move. Even if the enemy doesn't follow what their reported plan was, they now had to come up with a new one and execute it, giving you time and potentially reducing their confidence.

[Sandpit]

Khobai, on 28 December 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

not always.

yes
always
If you're needing to reinforce and not hang around in a beat up mech, run out and suicide scout quickly. Also, more often than not, if you're attacking and pushing, you're not running around i a beat up mech. If you are it's because you actively chose to retreat and make it back out of the base.

Any information
Any ammo used on you
Any focus placed on you
Is ALWAYS better than the fresh mechs.

[Escef]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

yes
always

Your team pushed the enemy dropzone hard and some of them slipped by you to attack the Omega. You are at least a full minute out from the Omega. It is faster to eject and and drop on them in a fresh mech, with backup from the dropship, then return. (Yes, I've seen a match lost this way before.)

For that matter, on the defense, sometimes it is better to eject and "summon" the dropship for more fire support.

Is it usually better to pull a good suicide in a crippled mech? Sure. But not always.

[Sandpit]

Escef, on 28 December 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

Your team pushed the enemy dropzone hard and some of them slipped by you to attack the Omega. You are at least a full minute out from the Omega. It is faster to eject and and drop on them in a fresh mech, with backup from the dropship, then return. (Yes, I've seen a match lost this way before.)

For that matter, on the defense, sometimes it is better to eject and "summon" the dropship for more fire support.

Is it usually better to pull a good suicide in a crippled mech? Sure. But not always.

Sure, it's not best if you play poorly and get out of position. (If you're on defense you should never be 1 minute out from Omega unless you're fighting their last wave of mechs)
If you slip out and get too far away from Omega, that's a mistake, not strategy

It's not better to summon a dropship since the dropship doesn't shoot at Omega.

[dario03]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

yes
always
If you're needing to reinforce and not hang around in a beat up mech, run out and suicide scout quickly. Also, more often than not, if you're attacking and pushing, you're not running around i a beat up mech. If you are it's because you actively chose to retreat and make it back out of the base.

Any information
Any ammo used on you
Any focus placed on you
Is ALWAYS better than the fresh mechs.

There are times where it is better to eject. You don't want to be waiting to redrop while the enemy is pushing into your base or just killing your team.

[Sandpit]

dario03, on 28 December 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

There are times where it is better to eject. You don't want to be waiting to redrop while the enemy is pushing into your base or just killing your team.

All I can say is, your unit has standing orders about it and mine has its own

[dario03]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

All I can say is, your unit has standing orders about it and mine has its own

Well if you want to go by unit protocols that is fine, but I'm just going to say that saying
"Running out to make the other team waste ammo on you instead of the fresh mechs that just reinforced is ALWAYS a better option than just ejecting. "
is wrong, and ejecting is definitely not just a inexperienced player thing.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

The eject key is there so you don't get stuck in an ineffective mech. If the enemy strips and legs your mech and leaves you alive then your team is basically fighting with 11 players until you get back to the fight in a fresh mech.

However, there are better ways to die. If possible, charge out one of the gates to get a little extra damage out, waste some enemy ammo, and scout which way there are coming and their composition. If you charge out the wrong gate you'll probably need to eject and return to the team to prepare.

Edited by Rouken, 28 December 2015 - 11:29 PM.

[Moldur]

I find it more useful as a defender. Lets say you just got done beating off a wave, very damaged mech, everyone is dropping again and your team is preparing for the 2nd wave.

You know you will die instantly once the wave comes. Then you'll have to wait, then get back to the front, leaving your team down a man for the time inbetween and possibly making a big difference. Sure you can suicide scout out the gate, but if there's really no useful opportunity to get in a new mech in short order, ejecting is the best option.

[Sandpit]

dario03, on 28 December 2015 - 11:23 PM, said:

Well if you want to go by unit protocols that is fine, but I'm just going to say that saying
"Running out to make the other team waste ammo on you instead of the fresh mechs that just reinforced is ALWAYS a better option than just ejecting. "
is wrong, and ejecting is definitely not just a inexperienced player thing.

that's your opinion
mine is, it's always the better option

[Khobai]

no your opinion is most definitely wrong. in fact its indefensibly wrong.

because if you have no weapons the other team is under no obligation to kill you. And actually the most intelligent move would be NOT to kill you. they can just leave you wandering around with no weapons until you eject. And if youre one of those dumbasses like sandpit that refuses to eject ever, then youll never be able to get a fresh mech.

theres plenty of other situations where you might need to eject too. most of them have already been covered.

Edited by Khobai, 29 December 2015 - 12:52 AM.

[Aresye]

There's a lot of valid reasons for a player to eject.

I'm just happy enough there IS an eject feature. Could you imagine if there was none? Enemy team stripped off all your weapons? Too bad, now they're going to leave you like that. Better go get your teammates to kill you.

[Escef]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

Sure, it's not best if you play poorly and get out of position. (If you're on defense you should never be 1 minute out from Omega unless you're fighting their last wave of mechs)
If you slip out and get too far away from Omega, that's a mistake, not strategy

It's not better to summon a dropship since the dropship doesn't shoot at Omega.

So, it's always a bad option, even when it's the best option for fixing an error? Not buying it.

Edited by Escef, 29 December 2015 - 07:57 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Your drop commander is a ranting try hard, you eject, in the hopes his hysteria, will develop into a full blown Heart Attack