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[s0da72]

I don't see why PGI would even want to be bothered with reports of this. They can solve this problem today by simply disabling the manual mech power down button when in skirmish mode.

[Accused]

I remember one time on caustic valley the entire team hid behind the far canyon wall. I reported the whole lot of them. I do this every other match.

[Screech]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

uhm you dont' have to be shut down to be reported for non participation.

By the scenario described by the OP. hiding at the end of the match. then yes you do. But being AFK the whole match or something would also be reportable but I was talking more towards their example.

[adamts01]

Variant1, on 29 December 2015 - 05:09 PM, said:

oh okay.
But is it non-participation if they did decent dmg and then powered down to not die to the enemy?

Yes, so glad they finally added this to the terms.

[Suko]

Mystere, on 29 December 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

The odds of me reporting you if we are on the same match is 100%. Why? Team treason is a reportable offense.

Your only course of action is to report the player to PGI, not reveal his position.



That might be the case, for now. But, do you really want to be in that infamous first batch of banned offenders if it does happen?



I've been known to stalk the enemy as sole survivor, to the amusement of my team.

If you feel like a knight in shining armor to report me, then more power to ya. I doubt PGI is going to ban me for reporting a poor sport player a whopping 6 times a year.

I am curious tho, do you just sit there for the remainder of the match watching your sole surviving teammates blank screen while he lets the match time out? Since you think I'm "treasonous" to report a guy shut down in the corner of the map, I wonder what your solution is.

Edited by Suko, 29 December 2015 - 09:34 PM.

[mailin]

Variant1, on 29 December 2015 - 05:09 PM, said:

oh okay.
But is it non-participation if they did decent dmg and then powered down to not die to the enemy?

Yes, it is still non-participation. It is denying the possibility of getting team mates assists for any kills he may get and it is also denying the enemy a kill. (It is important to remember that your next drop you could be matched with some of your enemies.)

Additionally it is also locking up everyone's mech while the timer counts down. Granted that may not be a huge issue on some maps and given just a little bit of time, but 7 minutes on Terra Therma is a really big deal. Especially for those who are trying to end the match and get on with their game.

Edited by mailin, 30 December 2015 - 01:02 AM.

[mailin]

s0da72, on 29 December 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

I don't see why PGI would even want to be bothered with reports of this. They can solve this problem today by simply disabling the manual mech power down button when in skirmish mode.

Please don't say that. I have used the manual power down on occasion to get myself unstuck from terrain.

[Mystere]

Suko, on 29 December 2015 - 09:33 PM, said:

If you feel like a knight in shining armor to report me, then more power to ya. I doubt PGI is going to ban me for reporting a poor sport player a whopping 6 times a year.

Knight in shining armor?

Which part of the:

Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden.

in the CoC do you not understand?

And if you really do it only a "whopping 6 times a year", then you should have no problem at all being reported, right?

Suko, on 29 December 2015 - 09:33 PM, said:

I am curious tho, do you just sit there for the remainder of the match watching your sole surviving teammates blank screen while he lets the match time out? Since you think I'm "treasonous" to report a guy shut down in the corner of the map, I wonder what your solution is.

When I am dead and I get impatient, I simply quit the match. No fuss.

I'm also not a telepath. I can't read the mind of the last player and as such I have no sure way of knowing whether it's because of stats, a clever ruse, or just sheer determination to make the enemy earn the last kill (which I have zero problem with as I see it as an act of in-game "defiance"). So as long as players do not say anything as stupid as "I'm doing it to preserve my KDR.", I'm letting them be.

Edited by Mystere, 30 December 2015 - 01:06 AM.

[mailin]

I'm with you Suko. I always give coords of afk, dc and powered down players to the enemy. However, if I see him power down I will typically ask him what he's doing and warn him that non-participation is a violation of the ToS. If he ignores me or gets snarky then I report his position.

Edited by mailin, 30 December 2015 - 01:08 AM.

[MrMadguy]

There is no "hiding" option in non-participation report menu - it should be added. Cuz when some invulnerable Spider/Firestarter/Arctic Cheater just runs around the map from your team or gets up on the walls in HPG/Viridian, where no one can get him, to preserve his K/D - it should be treated as non-participation. The main rule of Skirmish mode - is to kill enemies. Not trying to kill anybody for more then a reasonable period of time = non-participation.

[VinJade]

I will admit I run hide power down long enough to cool down, power up move & snipe.
then there is times I hate the map(bog) and wont move, the moment the enemy shows up I fight back.

to be honest I can understand why some hide, it is a sound tactic even if many hate it.

if they are toothless(run out of ammo, all weapons destroyed ect) then they know the match is over.

I for one tend to die quickly if spotted while I am cooling down.
last thing I want is to go boom due to over heat.

I get *****ed at over that as well so I try my best to fight by sniping when I can.

[mailin]

VinJade, on 30 December 2015 - 02:49 AM, said:

I will admit I run hide power down long enough to cool down, power up move & snipe.

I for one tend to die quickly if spotted while I am cooling down.
last thing I want is to go boom due to over heat.

I get *****ed at over that as well so I try my best to fight by sniping when I can.

No problem with you powering down to cool off, as long as you re-engage at some point or move to a different spot.

VinJade, on 30 December 2015 - 02:49 AM, said:

then there is times I hate the map(bog) and wont move, ...

to be honest I can understand why some hide, it is a sound tactic even if many hate it.

THIS is the kind of non-participation that we're talking about. It IS reportable, so don't do it. Even if you don't like the map or are out of weapons. Either try to take out the enemy from an advantageous spot, or run in there and try to nudge the enemy to death. Either way, just do something and there is no issue.

[Sandpit]

s0da72, on 29 December 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

I don't see why PGI would even want to be bothered with reports of this. They can solve this problem today by simply disabling the manual mech power down button when in skirmish mode.

There are strategic uses of that so no thanks.

VinJade, on 30 December 2015 - 02:49 AM, said:

then there is times I hate the map(bog) and wont move

well at least I know to report you now when I see it. That's non-participation. There's absolutely no reason to do something like taht other than acting like a petulant child and ruining the game for the other 11 teammates forced to deal with you doing that.

[SnafuSnafu]

Piney, on 29 December 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

The KDR must be protected.

In the totem pole of important stats KDR is second to one's average damage per match (number of matches with a mech divided by total damage done with said mech).

Anyone can lurk and wait for someone to strip and crit a mech, then snatch it with a quick burst of a couple of large pulses, but the truth is you ain't doin' the heavy lifting someone else is.

One caveat though if you're a light mech or a very fast medium like a Cicada as that is exactly what you should be doing, chasing and finishing off crit mechs whenever possible.

Edited by SnafuSnafu, 31 December 2015 - 08:09 PM.

[SuicSpyder]

Honestly I think it's selfish and unsportsmanlike.

Think of it this way:

You aren't just spending 7 minutes of your own time, you are making the decision to spend 7x24= 168 minutes of time, ALMOST 3 HOURS!, only 7 of which belongs to you.

I know, it's "in the rules", so players are free to go ahead and do it, but come on...If it's not a tournament or some kind of special competition or match, why not just come out and get the match over with so we can all go on with our day?

Kind of a gentleman's agreement, which when followed makes you come off as a way cooler person than any K/D ratio ever could.

[MrJeffers]

SuicSpyder, on 21 January 2016 - 08:15 PM, said:

Honestly I think it's selfish and unsportsmanlike.

Think of it this way:

You aren't just spending 7 minutes of your own time, you are making the decision to spend 7x24= 168 minutes of time, ALMOST 3 HOURS!, only 7 of which belongs to you.

I know, it's "in the rules", so players are free to go ahead and do it, but come on...If it's not a tournament or some kind of special competition or match, why not just come out and get the match over with so we can all go on with our day?

Kind of a gentleman's agreement, which when followed makes you come off as a way cooler person than any K/D ratio ever could.

Actually it's not in the rules that it's OK to do it. The updated Code of conduct from December link includes this type of hiding as a non-participaton reportable offense.

[HlynkaCG]

FFS

If only there some way to force an engagement, a "base" or something that you could threaten to force a win.

[SQW]

One memorable Skirmish game. Team lost 5-11 with our last guy in a Locust shut down + AFK between some boulders at the edge of River City with 8min left on the clock.

I was in general chat describing the scenery to the other team and they all spread out looking. 5min later, I saw a Mauler stomp past a 500m hundred meters away.

"Mauler STOP! Back up. Back up. Stop! Turn left...more...more....too much...okay, move forward. There, you got that idiot!"

Good thing I'm a mech nerd and can tell the mech by shape and there was only one mauler on that team. lol

Edited by SQW, 21 January 2016 - 09:30 PM.

[Bonger Bob]

simple solution to this whole shitstorm would be to have a timer for shutdown mechs, after 30 secs of being powered down, it kicks in and broadcasts your position to the enemy for 30 secs, along with once a shutdown has occurred you get a 1 min cooldown on being able to shutdown again.

people can still use it tactically in rounds, but griefers who want to power down till end of rounds can't.

fixed.

[SQW]

Bonger Bob, on 21 January 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

simple solution to this whole shitstorm would be to have a timer for shutdown mechs, after 30 secs of being powered down, it kicks in and broadcasts your position to the enemy for 30 secs, along with once a shutdown has occurred you get a 1 min cooldown on being able to shutdown again.

people can still use it tactically in rounds, but griefers who want to power down till end of rounds can't.

fixed.

Not if it's a 1v1 or 1v2 situation in a non-skirmish setting. Had a team mate who used shut-down to hide from enemy hoping they would travel across the map to base cap so he could sneak back in and finish off our own cap which was already 80% complete. Rare, but there are situation where shutdown longer than 30sec is warranted.

Just make the mini map visible on shutdown so team mates can call out the location of idiot shut down + AFKers.