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[Ted Wayz]

So the Jenner iIc-3 comes with NARC and I thought what the heck. It still has lazors so let's give it a try stock.

First match NARC'd multiple targets but it brought no rain. Got douched when 2 Cheetahs got scent of me. BOO!

NOTE: Why is NARC so inaccurate? Serious, I have aimed center torso within the max range on stationary targets while I have been stationary and missed. I can leg a locust moving at 140+kph while torso twisting with an AC20 but this? Anywho.

Next match fairly similar. Only this time I announced my intentions before the match started. Still no rain on the targets NARC'd, hunted down by lights, yadda yadda.

Third match I doufed. Let's forget about that one. Sorry teammates.

Fourth match announced intentions NARC'd multiple targets, no rain, spent the match running for my life and small pulsed laser to last man standing on my team and died.

Before the fifth match pulled out the NARC, put in two clan SRM4's and 2.5 tons of ammo, joined the match, high score, most damage dealt, profit.

F you NARC, you are dead to me.

Until role based warfare. Then you will be forgiven.

I know, cool story.

TL:DR NARC was not good to me and I took it personally.

Edited by Ted Wayz, 04 January 2016 - 05:04 PM.

[Revis Volek]

I prefer to run the RVN 3L with a tag and 2 ER LL and just tag everything i see while im shooting it.

Only a 1 ton invenstment but last night i handed some guy like 4 kills...the last one was fun to watch as i tagged the nose of a legged SCR and the LRMs literally hit him on the nose volley after volley.


Less risk involved as well and i got a good payout....

[Ted Wayz]

DarthRevis, on 04 January 2016 - 05:17 PM, said:

I prefer to run the RVN 3L with a tag and 2 ER LL and just tag everything i see while im shooting it.

Only a 1 ton invenstment but last night i handed some guy like 4 kills...the last one was fun to watch as i tagged the nose of a legged SCR and the LRMs literally hit him on the nose volley after volley.


Less risk involved as well and i got a good payout....

Yes the ECM makes a BIG difference. I have spent my time in a 3L countering and jamming, rotating to cover and tagging. In organized groups it is a beautiful thing.

But this NARC....

[Alistair Winter]

Look at the bright side:

If you NARC several targets and your LRM boats all do 1000 dmg each in that match, you get paid 0 C-bills and you get 0 extra match score points unless the actual kill shots are done with guided missiles while the target is still NARCed.

#justMWOthings

[jaxjace]

Alistair Winter, on 04 January 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

Look at the bright side:

If you NARC several targets and your LRM boats all do 1000 dmg each in that match, you get paid 0 C-bills and you get 0 extra match score points unless the actual kill shots are done with guided missiles while the target is still NARCed.

#justMWOthings

LOL

[AEgg]

Yeah, NARC isn't really useful to pair with LRMs, if you bring it, nobody will have LRMs.

It's still somewhat useful for disabling enemy ECM though, or to mark another mech thats either faster than you or too close to enemy lines to stay close to.

[Ted Wayz]

AEgg, on 04 January 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

Yeah, NARC isn't really useful to pair with LRMs, if you bring it, nobody will have LRMs.

It's still somewhat useful for disabling enemy ECM though, or to mark another mech thats either faster than you or too close to enemy lines to stay close to.

I know and those were the targets I looked for first LOL. My main deviation was to NARC a streak crow because I love crows but HATE streak crows!

[Darian DelFord]

Alistair Winter, on 04 January 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

Look at the bright side:

If you NARC several targets and your LRM boats all do 1000 dmg each in that match, you get paid 0 C-bills and you get 0 extra match score points unless the actual kill shots are done with guided missiles while the target is still NARCed.

#justMWOthings

Aye

The only time I even think about narc is when I know I am grouped with LRM boats, and they better damn well shoot what I am aiming for.

[AztecD]

Alistair Winter, on 04 January 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

Look at the bright side:

If you NARC several targets and your LRM boats all do 1000 dmg each in that match, you get paid 0 C-bills and you get 0 extra match score points unless the actual kill shots are done with guided missiles while the target is still NARCed.

#justMWOthings

no way, this cant be correct

[Ted Wayz]

AztecD, on 04 January 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

no way, this cant be correct

Oh it is true.

One question I have though is does hitting someone with NARC give you an assist if they die? A while back I was in a match, turned, fired a NARC and recorded a kill with it?! This was before detailed stats so I was unsure what really happened.

[Khobai]

NARC definitely needs a buff. They should combine homing NARC with explosive NARC and NARC pods should explode for 4-8 damage when the duration expires.

That would somewhat help justify giving up an SRM launcher to take NARC. And NARC wouldnt be completely useless then if your team doesnt have LRMs, at the very least it would be like having an SRM launcher with delayed damage.

Edited by Khobai, 04 January 2016 - 06:25 PM.

[Deathlike]

Ted Wayz, on 04 January 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

Oh it is true.

Welcome to the Paulconomy.

Quote

One question I have though is does hitting someone with NARC give you an assist if they die? A while back I was in a match, turned, fired a NARC and recorded a kill with it?! This was before detailed stats so I was unsure what really happened.

AFAIK, no. Dealing 0 damage = no assist. TAG is in the same boat.

The thing is, it should automatically be an assist when a successful missile hits its NARCed or TAGed target. However, rewarding such things is totally Lostech.

The NARC/TAG kill bonus only applies when the missiles kill a NARC/TAG target as the final blow.

[SQW]

I'm a Raven pilot with a dedicated NARC build so I feel your pain.

Like TAG, you need to be careful who you NARC. Hit an enemy hidden behind a wall and your team wastes LRMs. Don't just NARC the first Mech you see - observe the terrain and the situation first. Also, if you don't have a mic or just playing pub, then chances of your team having LRMs and also read the manual enough to realise how to take advantage of the NARC is slim.

NARC travels at the speed of SRM with similar range if you aren't in a RVN 3L, hitting a moving target from max range require more practice than even SRM 2s. Ironically, I find NARC is super useful on those ECM lights. A good NARC means your team member has 'visual' on those normally invisible b*stards for a good 30sec even if they run behind the hill to break visual lock. I also use NARC assaults hidden behind buildings if I have to leg it somewhere else and hope my team mate can take advantage of the direction arrow in the HUD and flank it.

It's a high skill, force multiplier weapon (just like the lore says) requiring good team work so....probably more useful to your team to get a TAG laser instead until PGI buffs NARC.

[MischiefSC]

Best uses of NARC I've seen -

A fellow 22AL member, Bowero, is like the infernal NARC master in his Spider. Sometimes for giggles we'll LURM out ing the group queue. The best I've seen is 5 enemy team all NARCED at once and then 11 of us poop lurms on the poor *******. It is trolltastic. I vividly recall us melting a Mauler in 2 seconds. We put about 500 lrms on him all at once. Alpine, he had no cover to speak of and the sky went dim. Feast or famine but when you're just trolling it's no biggie.

I've also seen some Clan LRM boats, SCR or EBJ that ran their own narc very effectively in pug queue. Creep up, hill-hump, narc, fall back and rain.

[SQW]

Deathlike, on 04 January 2016 - 06:25 PM, said:

Welcome to the Paulconomy.



AFAIK, no. Dealing 0 damage = no assist. TAG is in the same boat.

The thing is, it should automatically be an assist when a successful missile hits its NARCed or TAGed target. However, rewarding such things is totally Lostech.

The NARC/TAG kill bonus only applies when the missiles kill a NARC/TAG target as the final blow.

TAG gives silent TAG credit and damage credits. NARC gives credit on a kill (not sure if it has to be missile tho). I was unhappy when I saw it at first but I've come to accept it as balanced. NARC is a fire and forget weapon - far safer to use than TAG in general so giving it dmg credit would be unfair to TAG users. The lack of dmg credit is balanced by receiving a much higher NARC kill reward if it DOES happen.

Like I said in the above post, NARC is a skill weapon and shouldn't be used on the first mech you see (or in pub games tbh). A good NARC user paired with a good team will devastate the current gun line approach of most battles.

[Deathlike]

Ted Wayz, on 04 January 2016 - 05:00 PM, said:

NOTE: Why is NARC so inaccurate? Serious, I have aimed center torso within the max range on stationary targets while I have been stationary and missed. I can leg a locust moving at 140+kph while torso twisting with an AC20 but this? Anywho.

I would argue that NARC's hitreg is notably worse than ballistics or SRMs (although to be fair, it's just one missile projectile that can be eaten up vs AMS).

ECM can mitigate NARC if there are two of them within the same vicinity (of 90m).

So, I don't know what to tell you.

Edited by Deathlike, 04 January 2016 - 06:59 PM.

[SQW]

AMS hits NARC? That probably explains a few of my clear 'hits' that didn't register. I just assumed it shot through the hook of the arm or something.

[Cabusha]

Also, there's a lag between seeing Narc hitting and it activating. I don't know if it's a feature of HSR, or inherently a part of Narc.

[mark v92]

atm if you want to use narc effectively you got to be the NARCer and the lrm boat at the same time.

maddog for example can do wonders if you mix narc and lrm's on it.

narcing in a light is fun but dont expect anything from it.

[Lykaon]

Ted Wayz, on 04 January 2016 - 05:00 PM, said:

So the Jenner iIc-3 comes with NARC and I thought what the heck. It still has lazors so let's give it a try stock.

First match NARC'd multiple targets but it brought no rain. Got douched when 2 Cheetahs got scent of me. BOO!

NOTE: Why is NARC so inaccurate? Serious, I have aimed center torso within the max range on stationary targets while I have been stationary and missed. I can leg a locust moving at 140+kph while torso twisting with an AC20 but this? Anywho.

Next match fairly similar. Only this time I announced my intentions before the match started. Still no rain on the targets NARC'd, hunted down by lights, yadda yadda.

Third match I doufed. Let's forget about that one. Sorry teammates.

Fourth match announced intentions NARC'd multiple targets, no rain, spent the match running for my life and small pulsed laser to last man standing on my team and died.

Before the fifth match pulled out the NARC, put in two clan SRM4's and 2.5 tons of ammo, joined the match, high score, most damage dealt, profit.

F you NARC, you are dead to me.

Until role based warfare. Then you will be forgiven.

I know, cool story.

TL:DR NARC was not good to me and I took it personally.

Solo queue I assume?

And I agree there is no team synergies when a matchmaker randomly assigns a team. You put on a NARC and the matchmaker puts the LRM boats on the other team