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[Seprata]

I am a relativity new player and having a great time with MWO. One of the things I have been most impressed with for the most part, the community maturity level. For the most part.
I find in many gaming communities ( weather be online, video gaming, cards ( magic the gathering ) or board gaming ( check out boardgamegeek.com to find some awesome board games ) there are two types of gamers

1) A player that wants to get enjoyment from the experience of playing the game.

2) A player with the mindset of winning is the only positive outcome and result of a loss they feel is time wasted.


Both groups are competitive as they should be. No matter which of these two groups a player falls in has no reflect of a person's ability, skill level, or knowledge of MWO, or any other game in question.

I suspect, from my experience in MWO, group 1 greatly out populates group 2. Also from my experience this does not prevent group 2's determinant of group 1's gameplay experience. I am starting to see more and more of childish remarks ( voice / chat ) when events do not turn out so good for the team I am matched up with. And I am sick of it. I was hoping I left this when I quit playing World of Warcraft quite some time ago, but its not the case.

This leads me to my proposal :

There is a friends list in game that I get invites to when people enjoy the game they play with me. It would be simple enough to create a list of gamers that I ( and others ) would rather avoid grouping with that it would work in a fashion as this :


If I would put someone on this anti list ( sorry cant think of a better name for it ) me alone does not have any weight or consequences for that player, but when a majority does the same thing, that is when its taken in effect.
If joining a match and before it start a quick system check of if ( and how many ) people have someone on their anti list is preformed.If a player is on the majority of the teams anti list ( there are 12 people on a team, lets say 8 people have the same person on their anti list ) that player is removed from that match with an explanation of why and that player is put in queue to find another match and a new person is entered in the existing match before it starts. So what these people have trouble finding a game to play ? Well, sometimes people need a reality check, I suspect one of two outcomes :

They
1) quit playing
2) rethink and modify their behavior.

Either would be fine for me.

I cant say how many out there are frustrated to the level I am regarding this topic. I truly hope something will be done about this.

[Lostdragon]

People gripe about the MM enough as it is, adding another layer of complexity is not going to help.

[Mechteric]

They have a way to block players, sort of I think, but it would seem that as long as you are never placed in a match with a player in your block list (that may actually already happen and I just don't remember or know it), that would be good enough I would think.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 08 January 2016 - 06:27 AM.

[FlipOver]

It's the internet. Either ignore the negative comms (chat or voip) or ignore the negative comms (chat or voip).

Fun fact: You press TAB and can mute any player you want. It is actually a semi-recent feature.

That's about it.
Although I like the idea, creating that suggested feature would put even more stress on the MM. And currently with PSR, Tiers and other stuff, the MM has a lot to deal with as it is.

[adamts01]

Lostdragon, on 08 January 2016 - 06:23 AM, said:

People gripe about the MM enough as it is, adding another layer of complexity is not going to help.

This would solve most of what I gripe about. It pretty much does the leg-work of MM if you ask me. I, personally, could care less about people's attitudes as long as they perform, or at least work as a team. So I should never run in to OP. Everyone is happy.

[sycocys]

Anyone that every ran LRMs would never get matches after about a month.

[Seprata]

That made me laugh

[Soultraxx]

Sadly, sometimes you just have to accept that you're going to be grouped with some knobheads.

[C I L L I P U D D I]

The OP's proposal would turn into people "banning" other people out just so they don't have to play them again, no matter if they were negative or not.

Say Player A gets stomped by Player B, Player A just has to block Player B and never play against them again, even though Player B did nothing but play well. So Player B continues to play well and continues to be blocked by different, less skilled, butthurt Player A's, eventually Player B and others like him would have an extremely hard time finding matches due to Player A's problem with getting stomped on.

Even better still. Player B plays with optimized or "meta" mechs. Player A sees this and his heart is filled with hate and bitterness and blocks Player B. Player A continues to block people with what he thinks are "meta" builds", Player A no longer has any friends, other than the salt mine he's created.

Finally, Player A and his unit of Player A's get together and work out a plan to ban out Player B and his unit so they never have to match up with them in group queue or CW. Player A's unit takes planets freely and never has to see Player B's unit.

You have to really think about how scummy players and their willingness to use the system set before them to skew the odds in their favor. Of course everything I said would take time but eventually it would happen.

Edited by Cillipuddi, 08 January 2016 - 07:39 AM.

[Seprata]

As disappointing as I find it, im sure you are right. Just last night I joined a match were right before it started, someone who was trying to get enough c-bills for a King Crab before the end of the sale ask for advise of how to accrue c-bills quickly.

One person offered the fact that there is not really a way and its just a grind. The other four responces were almost humorous in their ignorance. The one that stood out to me was " Stop sucking at the game ".

I know im not saying anything new when I say how pathetic it is the internet so easly provides cowards and the like a false sense of confidence by providing anonymity. Without it I have now doubt they would remain as frail and insecure as they are in life.

[MechWarrior5152251]

It would be great if we could block someone so that we never dropped on their team. So many troll team killers around....

[Elizander]

PGI has given us the tools to create our own safe space. Just mute them. I actually just ignore them and move on to the next game.

[Monkey Lover]

We got the report system if anyone says something abusive report them. We can clean up our own community they give us the tools now.

[himself]

Seprata, on 08 January 2016 - 06:18 AM, said:

I am a relativity new player and having a great time with MWO. One of the things I have been most impressed with for the most part, the community maturity level. For the most part.
I find in many gaming communities ( weather be online, video gaming, cards ( magic the gathering ) or board gaming ( check out boardgamegeek.com to find some awesome board games ) there are two types of gamers

1) A player that wants to get enjoyment from the experience of playing the game.

2) A player with the mindset of winning is the only positive outcome and result of a loss they feel is time wasted.


Both groups are competitive as they should be. No matter which of these two groups a player falls in has no reflect of a person's ability, skill level, or knowledge of MWO, or any other game in question.

I suspect, from my experience in MWO, group 1 greatly out populates group 2. Also from my experience this does not prevent group 2's determinant of group 1's gameplay experience. I am starting to see more and more of childish remarks ( voice / chat ) when events do not turn out so good for the team I am matched up with. And I am sick of it. I was hoping I left this when I quit playing World of Warcraft quite some time ago, but its not the case.

This leads me to my proposal :

There is a friends list in game that I get invites to when people enjoy the game they play with me. It would be simple enough to create a list of gamers that I ( and others ) would rather avoid grouping with that it would work in a fashion as this :


If I would put someone on this anti list ( sorry cant think of a better name for it ) me alone does not have any weight or consequences for that player, but when a majority does the same thing, that is when its taken in effect.
If joining a match and before it start a quick system check of if ( and how many ) people have someone on their anti list is preformed.If a player is on the majority of the teams anti list ( there are 12 people on a team, lets say 8 people have the same person on their anti list ) that player is removed from that match with an explanation of why and that player is put in queue to find another match and a new person is entered in the existing match before it starts. So what these people have trouble finding a game to play ? Well, sometimes people need a reality check, I suspect one of two outcomes :

They
1) quit playing
2) rethink and modify their behavior.

Either would be fine for me.

I cant say how many out there are frustrated to the level I am regarding this topic. I truly hope something will be done about this.

3) Gamer that enjoys close games instead of the usual Quick Play/CW steam roll due to people's idiocy or unwillingness to listen.

Grow some skin, it will help you get ahead in real life too.

Edited by himself, 09 January 2016 - 08:11 AM.

[ZenFool]

This problem has existed since message boards stopped being a thing. Cuneiform message boards... People are going to be snotty sometimes. I'll be the first to admit, when I've had a rough day I'm a touch cranky. Throw me into a game with a bunch of people hell bent on losing and I might be inclined to throw a bit of a tantrum.

Now, you might say "That isn't enjoyable for the rest of us!". To that I say, turn chat off. Its enjoyable to me. That's right, I said it. I ENJOY being a smart a$$ and poking fun at hypocrisy, idiocy, and ignorance. Even my own.

[PerfectDuck]

I feel like your whole 1 vs 2 original post is kinda off. I *think* you're trying to polarize tryhards from regular players, however...

My unit (Night's Scorn, definitely a try-hard unit) doesn't see winning as the end-all goal, we care about playing at our best. If we lose, the opponent deserved to win as we shouldn't ever have any excuses. We are competitive and we DEFINITELY DO NOT SEE A LOSS AS TIME WASTED. We learn so much from losses and we grow as a unit when we discuss what went wrong.

That said it's a strange solution and a little too personal, not to mention high-maintenance and input required to be practical to me. Aside from that, I think it encourages solopug bad habits. If people are too good, just don't let them play with you so you can avoid them? I feel like a lot of very prominently skilled, outstanding contributors to this community would get shunned out simply for having a high damage output in end-game score. Nobody should ever be punished for playing the game well or for encouraging others to do the same.

[Seprata]

I appreciate all the feedback I got. Especially to those who do not see this matter quite as I do. Its always good to get a resonable perspective to a subject from those who see differently.

[Zordicron]

Seprata, on 09 January 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

I appreciate all the feedback I got. Especially to those who do not see this matter quite as I do. Its always good to get a resonable perspective to a subject from those who see differently.

I would add-
If you are seeing really bad, abrasive comments on either chat or VOIP, feel free to report them, that is also pretty easy to do now right in game(push tab). If it's just childish, well, mute is about all you can do. If it is above and beyond that, just report it. It would sort of work like your OP: if enough players report, you won;t have to team with that player again!

MWO doesn't have a massive crew of active moderators in the game observing 24/7. So, we kind of have to police ourselves, and "report" is the official way to do so. If some one is being an ******, push tab, and let the PGI staff sort it out.

[Pjwned]

The potential for abuse is pretty huge, so how about no.

[VinJade]

things I hear over voip is mild over what I have heard from people playing steam games such as the N word the F word(three letter not four), threats and heavy whining.

my roommate plays an airship game of some form and walk into the living room where I let him use my Desktop for some of his steam games until I want to play MWO or other things at which I boot him.

oh boy the whining, cursing, and threating I heard from those on that steam game makes what we hear or read seem like it is nothing...

Edited by VinJade, 10 January 2016 - 12:55 AM.