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[cazidin]

Greetings Mechwarriors. I have a few simple questions to ask all of you. What do the Black Knight hitboxes look like now? The only hitbox images I could find were before the Oct 6 hotfix. Are they still XL friendly and would you recommend it?

[El Bandito]

PGI reduced the CT at the expense of ST, so no, XLs are worse than before. Does well with Std engine.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 January 2016 - 06:59 PM.

[Hobbles v]

The current hit boxes roll damage very well. They still run XLs very well too.

[Metus regem]

El Bandito, on 08 January 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

PGI reduced the CT at the expense of ST, so no, XLs are worse than before. Does well with Std engine.

Very tanky with standard engines I find, mine take a crazy amount of punishment....

[Gas Guzzler]

XL is perfectly fine, the mobility is desired, XL 350, 3 LPL, 5 MLs is an amazing build on the 6.

[Elizander]

None of them come with XL engines so should be cheap enough to pick up 3 of them.

[MechWarrior3671771]

I've been running 3 BKs on my CW dropdeck with STD engines to soak up more damage.

Do you think it would be a mistake to bring them into CW with XLs?

[cazidin]

Alright. So, assuming the weapon loadout/damage would be the same which of these two is better on a Black Knight; Standard 325 or XL 360?

[El Bandito]

Fen Tetsudo, on 08 January 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

I've been running 3 BKs on my CW dropdeck with STD engines to soak up more damage.
Do you think it would be a mistake to bring them into CW with XLs?

cazidin, on 08 January 2016 - 07:58 PM, said:

Alright. So, assuming the weapon loadout/damage would be the same which of these two is better on a Black Knight; Standard 325 or XL 360?

Standard all the way~~~.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 January 2016 - 10:56 PM.

[pbiggz]

I only run XL when I have no other choice. If i can do the build I want with a standard there is no reason to go XL, its a massive sacrifice in durability I'd rather have as an IS mech, especially with all that free structure.

[TheCharlatan]

I use big XLs in mine. They roll damage like a boss but (as always) you really don't want to get focused. Didn't notice much difference with the STD, which actually felt less resiliant due to slow movements.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

I prefer XLs to Standards in them. They're still super easy to CT core from multiple angles and the XL making you faster makes it easier to stay out of the fire more easily.

Been rolling a pair of these (one 6 and one 6B, but identical builds) along with one of these and a Locust. Been cranking out around 12 kills a CW drop with the 3 of them.

I tried rolling with a STD 325 in them, but I kept getting CT cored all the time and found the speed to be more advantageous personally.

[Sagamore]

The Black Knights also got a huge structure buff in the quirk pass meaning they can tank better than most assaults with a STD engine. XL is tempting but it just feels too fragile for a brawler mech (which is about all the BK can do with those low hardpoints).

[Alistair Winter]

STD and XLs work equally well. The BK has always been a good mech, it's somewhat better now. STD engines for boating MLs and MPLs, XL engines for boating LLs, LPLs or even carrying PPCs. Staring down laser Timbers, all day.

[cazidin]

Hm. So far it looks like 5 votes for Standard, 4 for XL and some very compelling arguments for both. Thank you all very much but that still leaves one question unanswered - what do their hitboxes look like now?

[PerfectDuck]

cazidin, on 08 January 2016 - 07:58 PM, said:

Alright. So, assuming the weapon loadout/damage would be the same which of these two is better on a Black Knight; Standard 325 or XL 360?

Standard 325 is 30.5 tons and XL 360 is 23.5 tons.

Why not compare XL360 to STD290 if you're going to assume there's no other differences?

[kapusta11]

cazidin, on 09 January 2016 - 08:32 AM, said:

Hm. So far it looks like 5 votes for Standard, 4 for XL and some very compelling arguments for both. Thank you all very much but that still leaves one question unanswered - what do their hitboxes look like now?

Its CT protrudes forward so that is easy to hit from various angles meaning you need to cut facetime with bigger engine. This flaw however means it is easier to protect ST. Finally, you can see people running both STD and XL Black Knights and because of that most players will shoot your CT for sure kill.

I'd go with XL engine.

[Zeriniel]

It can go either way, honestly, but I've found the XLs to be better. Essentially, you can control where enemy shots hit by exposing that side of your body; a long as you don't get jumped by surprise, it can be fairly easy to protect a cored side. From the front, the majority of shots will hit your CT and slightly spread to the STs. However if you want to brawl it out, a STD engine can improve your survivability without a ST. I view it this way though- would you rather be able to take extra hits, or not be there to take as much damage? I'm a great fan of the Black Knight, and think it works well mostly as a striker, and then a brawler.

[DrxAbstract]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 09 January 2016 - 01:08 AM, said:

I prefer XLs to Standards in them. They're still super easy to CT core from multiple angles and the XL making you faster makes it easier to stay out of the fire more easily.

Been rolling a pair of these (one 6 and one 6B, but identical builds) along with one of these and a Locust. Been cranking out around 12 kills a CW drop with the 3 of them.

I tried rolling with a STD 325 in them, but I kept getting CT cored all the time and found the speed to be more advantageous personally.

My name is Inigo Montoya. You stole my BK build, prepare to die.

That aside... The only way to really get the most out of the BK with meaningful firepower, effective cooling and mobility + damage spreading is going with a big XL. STDs might be great for surviving a lot of damage with the quirks, but the XL allows you to spread and avoid it more effectively with the added bonus of carrying a bigger stick.

[Sjorpha]

They run XL really well, I don't find standard worth the extra tonnage on BK. Better to be fast with a big alpha and use the speed to minimize exposure.