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[Emotional Support Raven]

Is there any scenario where the Flamer is a good weapon? Or is it garbage?

[Wintersdark]

Currently, it is *the* worst weapon in the game. Simply firing one in battle actually leaves you worse off than if you hadn't fired it, *even if you hit your opponent*.

It does trivial damage, generates substantial heat (that, if you don't tap the flamer on and off, grows exponentially so even one flamer can shut you down no matter how many DHS you have), and CAN'T overheat an enemy.


With that said, it's getting some changes in the next patch so we'll see what happens. I still think it's going to suck.

To be clear: People say a lot of weapons are "garbage" because they aren't as good as other weapons.

The Flamer isn't like that. The Flamer is extremely, objectively bad.

[Emotional Support Raven]

I thought the whole appeal of the Flamer was to overheat the enemy, but seeing how it can't do that, I would understand since it would potentially stun lock the enemy into a powered down stat, making quick moving Flaming Light Mechs extremely powerful if they can overheat their enemy. I do hope that the buffs to the Flamer can make it a viable weapon.

Being the noob I am, it seems like Small Lasers are practically useless while Medium and Large Lasers shine. Pulse Lasers are different and more important on Assault and Heavy mechs as they can take a beating when they want to get the full damage potential out. Am I jumping to conclusions?

[John1352]

On a mech with a LOT of energy hardpoints, such as the nova prime, it can be paired with small pulse lasers reasonably effectively. The SPLs will provide the majority of the damage, while the flamers add heat to the enemy. If they are using hot weapons, such as ER lasers, they will hardly be able to shoot back.

Being at 90m usually means the rest of their team is shooting you though, so it is highly situational.

[Leone]

The flamer has it's uses. After playing around with the flamer extensively I can tell you that the flamer will never take someone's heat over 90% into shut down, they hafta fire to get 'em to over heat.

That said it does add heat to thine enemy. I've found that the best use of the flamer, outside of the annoyance an blinding aspect of splashing it over your enemies face, is actually paired, on chain fire to deny the overheating mechanism on your side.

My best flamer run, to date. At least, out side of CW.

Whilest they have their uses, just know that flamers are not actually designed to kill. For this reason your prolly better off taking small lasers or pulse lasers, unless you want that extra utility flamers bring, and are running a cool mech.

Edit:

Foremole, on 01 February 2016 - 07:40 PM, said:

Am I jumping to conclusions?

Yes.

Consider, if you will, a simple heat to damage output of one Clan large pulse laser to six Clan small pulse. Same tonnage.

Large pulse, single: 13 Damage, 10 heat.
Small Pulse- spam: 36 Damage, 18 heat.

Which would you rather meet in a dark alley on mining colony?

~Leone.

Edited by Leone, 01 February 2016 - 08:54 PM.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

They are great for troll builds.

Max a Direwolf out on flamers and enjoy all the comments you get from your team (boating tag lasers also works).

[MadCat02]

I remember back in the old days you would get into a match and:

Flame on!
FLAme on!
Flame on!
flame on!

As you saw 8 people Premade boating nothing but flamers and loose shortly afterwards .

Edited by MadCat02, 02 February 2016 - 07:17 AM.

[Koniving]

Wintersdark, on 01 February 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

With that said, it's getting some changes in the next patch so we'll see what happens. I still think it's going to suck.

I remember the last 9 times that PGI said they were going to change flamers.

...and 7 times when they didn't get any changes.

....that's 7 times in a row over the last 3 years.

[Koniving]

That said:

Flamers!


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Edited by Koniving, 03 February 2016 - 07:03 AM.