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[Darkspart3n]

So over the past two weeks I have been coming across more and more players that do not represent our community in very uplifting ways. There will be two incidents I will cover in detail but the TLDR is that I believe the steam release for MWO may be a double edged sword.

So two weeks ago I am dropping into a CW game with a clan mate, now we get into a lance with another duo group that is not apart of any clan (not going to name and shame) and they are both dropping in Jenner champion mechs and have no clan tag, no titles, and no badges so our immediate assumption is that they are new. Thats fine we can probably carry our lances weight, no big deal. Not even two seconds into the game my right arm gets blown off by one of the jenners, now he immediately goes onto VOIP and says sorry so I just swallow my rude comments and start moving towards the gates, besides I'm in a ER large Top Dog so my arms are not really that important. Our team makes it up toward the gate and I am now sniping and such just minding my own business when my leg gets shot and is now dark orange, upon further inspection the same Jenner that shot me at the drop zone is now staring me down along with his buddy. Now it is at this point that our team is starting to ask why 3 mechs are just standing in the back looking at each other, some people are getting heated on VOIP and its all starting to turn into anarchy. Sparing some boring details I get legged, my buddy looses an arm, and a very pissed off team is starting to complain in all chat. Eventually the team killing duo shoots everyone at least once while taunting everyone over VOIP saying things like 'Sorry bro' or other sarcastic apologies. Basically everyone in the game reported them and hopefully they banned, but that is not the issues I want to touch on. I have been playing this game since about December 2013 and not once have I ever encountered a team killing incident as extreme as this. Now I do not know whether or not steam can be linked as a direct cause or if it is just a reflection of the newer age of gamers (they sounded teens- early twenties).

Now unlike the previous example we can assume that the influx of new players can be attributed to the steam launch. In the past my experience with solo CW drops was that 12 man groups of solo players would often lose to organized groups though most of the time it would be about even until the third or fourth wave. There were also time that blow outs happened and even though they were not rare they were also not an expected out come for every solo drop as if most of the team was good enough they could normally put up a close fight so that both sides had a good time. As of late this has not been the case as many solo groups are now a whole lance or two of newer players and while this not a bad thing, as we need all the players we can get, it is also frustrating some older players to the point were they are telling players that they are **** and that they should stop playing. Now I get that new players need to learn and telling them about their mistakes is important so that they can fix them and get better, BUT (and thats a very big but) there is no need to be rude. We want new players to stick around and become veteran players so telling them off now because they are not doing well, using bad mechs/builds, or not having a good over all awareness of the game is not the way to do it.

Rant over, so feel free to let me know if I have just been living under the proverbial rock or if you are seeing a change in out community as well.

~Dark

[El Bandito]

I experienced mindless team-killers in CW after Steam release too. Sure they will be banned soon enough, but they will just hop on to another account and do the same thing all over again. To prevent such douchebaggery, WE NEED ALL ACCOUNTS TO HAVE PLAYED AT LEAST 500 MATCHES IN ORDER TO BE QUALIFIED FOR CW.

Allowing trial mechs into CW was a huge mistake on PGI's part.

Edited by El Bandito, 18 January 2016 - 09:02 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

I've had a number of incidents over the years ranging from team killing to death threats (someone didn't find my sense of humor amusing). I just report it and move on.

El Bandito, on 18 January 2016 - 08:54 PM, said:

Yeah I experienced mindless team-killers in CW after Steam release too. Sure they will be banned soon enough, but they will just hop on to another account and do the same thing all over again. To prevent such douchebaggery, WE NEED ALL ACCOUNTS TO HAVE PLAYED AT LEAST 500 MATCHES IN ORDER TO BE QUALIFIED FOR CW.

50 would be more than enough to make it not worth the trouble.

Edited by Narcissistic Martyr, 18 January 2016 - 09:00 PM.

[Joshua Obrien]

Was in a CW match about 2 nights ago and we had a lance with all trial mechs who quit after they lost their first mechs saying "This game is so F**king dumb" and proceeded to leave.

[Ano]

While I can appreciate the frustration, I'm not sure that this is a particularly new thing. I think I've sent 3 reports (pre-reporting tool) where some brain donor TK'd me or another member of the team at the start of the match; if this was the first time it's happened to you I think that's more *good* luck than bad!

I wouldn't rush to blame the steam folks just yet.

[vandalhooch]

Pretty sure the OP is describing a pair of pilots that have been dropping as Steiner pilots with wildly inappropriate names. They then proceed to grief their teammates by pretending to be new guys making mistakes until someone catches on to the ruse. They then turn into full out team killers for the rest of the drop.

While we were still clans, I dropped in a couple of drops where they were on the opposing side and noted some Steam forum posts describing similar behavior.

Their names have changed a few times already so they have clearly already been banned and simply created new accounts. Just be on the lookout for two Steiner pilots with names that are insults towards Steiner and also inappropriate. Report them as soon as you take the first bit of damage and then end the match as quick as you can. Inform your opponents about what is happening and make sure that they report the griefers too.

[N0MAD]

According to steam stats, only 34% of steam accounts have gone on to win 1 match.
Considering we know ALOT of MWO players went over to steam you can probably conclude that there are not alot of actual steam newbs playing, most like twits griefing on alt accounts.

[adamts01]

N0MAD, on 18 January 2016 - 10:05 PM, said:

According to steam stats, only 34% of steam accounts have gone on to win 1 match.

Wow. Can you link that?

[BD RAIDR]

I have noticed this also.

Most recently I spotted a Smoke Jag giving away the team's plan on all chat and then pretending that he was new to the game and didn't know he was using all chat when I commented on it.

He fired on our team a lot too. I watched as he followed one of our team members and tried to leg him over an extended period. I bet he did at least 300 team damage in that match. I didn't say anything to him, I just reported him. No point in escalating things.

Edited by F6Pete, 18 January 2016 - 10:22 PM.

[N0MAD]

adamts01, on 18 January 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

Wow. Can you link that?

Cant link it brother you need to log in to Steam and look at MWO stats/achievments.
That stat was 35.7% couple weeks ago, droped to 34.5 last i looked.

Edited by N0MAD, 18 January 2016 - 10:27 PM.

[adamts01]

N0MAD, on 18 January 2016 - 10:25 PM, said:

Cant link it brother you need to log in to Steam and look at MWO stats/achievments.
That stat was 35.7% couple weeks ago, droped to 34.5 last i looked.

I can't find it. I don't have the game attached through Steam. When I go to Steam and click "Stats" it forwards me to my personal stats.

[Kilo 40]

I'm absolutely SHOCKED to learn that there are jerks in the world, and the more people there are in a game/community/activity means there will be more jerks.

SHOCKED I say!

adamts01, on 18 January 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

I can't find it. I don't have the game attached through Steam. When I go to Steam and click "Stats" it forwards me to my personal stats.

http://steamcommunit...00/achievements

EDIT: right next to the stat icons is a column for "% of all players"

Edited by Kilo 40, 18 January 2016 - 10:46 PM.

[Kilo 40]

N0MAD, on 18 January 2016 - 10:05 PM, said:

Considering we know ALOT of MWO players went over to steam

we know SOME MWO players went over to steam, but we have absolutely no way of knowing, or even guessing how many actually did.

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you can probably conclude that there are not alot of actual steam newbs playing, most like twits griefing on alt accounts.

that's a bizarre conclusion to reach.

[Navid A1]

Its been said countless times that a player should have 4 owned mechs to be able to enter CW.


Yet PGI is so desperate to pump people into a useless and pointless CW that they don't even care what happens next... as long as CW matches get going.

[adamts01]

Wow, 34.6% haven't won a single match. That's just sad. I'm still really hoping Steam keeps this game going. But for now, any number of new players a white knights throws at you can be lowered 63.4%. And I bet a good percentage of that 34.6% are vets..... so sad.

[Kilo 40]

adamts01, on 18 January 2016 - 10:57 PM, said:

Wow, 34.6% haven't won a single match. That's just sad. I'm still really hoping Steam keeps this game going. But for now, any number of new players a white knights throws at you can be lowered 63.4%.

I've downloaded tons of free to play games, only to uninstal them after an hour or so, just because it wasn't for me. it doesn't make them bad games. or maybe I just didn't mess with them again for a few months, only to try them again later.

It's not exactly unusual.

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And I bet a good percentage of that 34.6% are vets..... so sad.

vets didn't start over on achievements. those numbers are all new steam players.

[N0MAD]

adamts01, on 18 January 2016 - 10:57 PM, said:

Wow, 34.6% haven't won a single match. That's just sad. I'm still really hoping Steam keeps this game going. But for now, any number of new players a white knights throws at you can be lowered 63.4%. And I bet a good percentage of that 34.6% are vets..... so sad.

Actually, i think it reads 34% have won a match+. 65% of accounts never got to win a match, most likely cause they didnt play it enough to get their first win.
Actually a lot of good info in those pages about the way Steam is working out.
Couple interesting things to point out.
Altho a large number of accounts show they own MWO, there is a significant lower number of accounts that played MWO for a given number of games
The graph that shows the number of daily users, it peaked at Xmas a couple weeks after release on steam?, that graph shows a slight constant decline in users since then, altho on weekends when you have events it does spike significantly over working week numbers.
Early days yet for math, end of month we will have beter picture, 3 months will be much beter info..
But none of those stats/graphs show any real growth in Steam users. imo.

[DAYLEET]

adamts01, on 18 January 2016 - 10:57 PM, said:

Wow, 34.6% haven't won a single match.

34.6% HAVE won at least one match. It's a f2p game, most will install the game, do 15 minutes of tutorial and quit, steam is big so it's not a bad thing.

Ive been spectating a lot or newbies and most are having a great time.

Edited by DAYLEET, 18 January 2016 - 11:28 PM.

[adamts01]

Kilo 40, on 18 January 2016 - 11:08 PM, said:

I've downloaded tons of free to play games, only to uninstal them after an hour or so, just because it wasn't for me. it doesn't make them bad games. or maybe I just didn't mess with them again for a few months, only to try them again later.

It's not exactly unusual.



vets didn't start over on achievements. those numbers are all new steam players.

N0MAD, on 18 January 2016 - 11:18 PM, said:

Actually, i think it reads 34% have won a match+. 65% of accounts never got to win a match, most likely cause they didnt play it enough to get their first win.
Actually a lot of good info in those pages about the way Steam is working out.
Couple interesting things to point out.
Altho a large number of accounts show they own MWO, there is a significant lower number of accounts that played MWO for a given number of games
The graph that shows the number of daily users, it peaked at Xmas a couple weeks after release on steam?, that graph shows a slight constant decline in users since then, altho on weekends when you have events it does spike significantly over working week numbers.
Early days yet for math, end of month we will have beter picture, 3 months will be much beter info..
But none of those stats/graphs show any real growth in Steam users. imo.

Fair enough. The daily log-on numbers are what matters. And yeah, I took 34.6% as the number of players that stuck with the game long enough to get a win, but I see how 65% of downloads might not have been even started up yet.

[N0MAD]

Kilo 40, on 18 January 2016 - 11:08 PM, said:

vets didn't start over on achievements. those numbers are all new steam players.

I dont know if thats correct, i think those are just steam stats played thru steam client, could be wrong but...

As far as your previous post, to true, we dont know numbers but i remember at the time there was much forum talk and recruitment by certain parties here to encourage existing MWO to link accounts to counter the Bitter Vets that were going to cause kaos on steam.
Even without that a large % of gamers run steam, i would guess a large number of the MWO population does, wouldnt be unusual for people to link it to steam with their other games, probabilities, my guess is a fair amount of players linked to steam.
So no, i dont think its a bizzare conclusion.