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[CDLord HHGD]

NextGame, on 27 January 2016 - 06:49 AM, said:

This would give players an actual decision to make, don't be so sensible!

What can I say? I'm a big fan of variety. Tired of this cookie cutter stuff. People are tired of stuff getting nerfed? I'm tired of the game mechanics getting nerfed because they assume people are too dumb to figure it out.

[Tamwulf]

I've just started to really play around with the mech bay, so this was a very applicable topic for me. I was faced with a choice: I could afford 2 of the 3 (DHS, ES or FF) or something like that. This was like two weeks ago, and I can barely remember what I had for dinner last night.

So thanks to this thread: Double Heat Sinks > Endosteel > Ferro Fibrus

Yeah, there are exceptions, but for the most part, this is a good rule of thumb. Thanks fellow Mechwarriors!

[NextGame]

Tamwulf, on 27 January 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:

Double Heat Sinks > Endosteel > Ferro Fibrus

Correct

[MerryIguana]

FupDup, on 26 January 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

your logic means that we have to make the LB 10-X into the most powerful weapon of the Inner Sphere faction.

Can we please?

[1Grimbane]

jason sudeikis' running man is perfect... one of my all time fav snl segments

[Robot Kenshiro]

Myself and alot of you as well would love to see some what better implementation of FFA/Endo.
Id like to see something like:
Standard armor/structure: normal
FFA- extra armor per ton. Weight savings. Cost of internal crits. Reduce dmg from energy type weapons by 30%. Reduce dmg from ballistics 5%.
Composite armor (be a nice addition)- extra armor per ton. Weight savings. Cost of internal crits. Reduce dmg from ballistics/missiles by 30%. Reduce dmg from energy weapons by 5%.
Endosteel- huge weight savings cost of internals. Boost to internal structure hit points by 25%.
I dunno. I just think something along these lines with the addition of composite armor would make choices alot more better. There is possibilityto mount all these goodies but have pretty much no room for firepower. So you can have the tankiest atlas...but probably have a few lasers to go with it. But anyways. Im brainstorming and rambling here but anywyas was just a thought.

[Lord0fHats]

IS Ferro is a simple fix; Have it take less slots.

I started rebuilding many of my IS mechs weeks ago and noticed that few mechs can actually use the weight savings of Endo and Ferro for lack of slots, and really why should Ferro take up the same number of slots for less weight savings? Running out of slot space is an issue I only come across (Clan Side) on the Mist Lynx and Timbers (and for Timbers only when dealing with SRMs with Artemis). It's just not a problem when Endo and Ferro take up only 12 slots (?) total.

If IS Ferro only took 4-6 slots, many more mechs would be able to use it with Endo and it would be a big boon for faction balance.

[wanderer]

Or, y'know you could realize that FFA was (canonically) an easier to produce upgrade, but inherently less efficient than the more-difficult-to-manufacture endo-steel.

Or that it's meant to be the top of a pyramid of diminishing returns and not equal to other potential gains- a problem only for Clan 'Mechs who also get half the crit-space drawback and a better (1.2) armor multiplier to boot.

Or that if you wanted better armor protection, all MWO would have to do is put in the missing hardened armor option and you could pack 38 tons of armor protection into an Atlas...and we'd all have a third in-timeline option to put on our IS robots.

[Khobai]

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IS Ferro is a simple fix; Have it take less slots.

thats not an option because of stock mechs.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 27 January 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:

thats not an option because of stock mechs.

All stock builds would still be able to be constructed normally. It would only be an issue for the anaI-retentive grognards that want every little critslot to be identical to their dusty pen-and-paper record sheet.

And it's not like stock mechs are exactly popular anyways...


Disclaimer: I'm not saying that I necessary want to go with the critslot route, I'm just pointing out the flaw in the stock mechs argument.

[Khobai]

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And it's not like stock mechs are exactly popular anyways...

but there should be a stock mech only gamemode. MW3 and MW4 both had that option. MWLL was stock mech only too.

stock mech only should be offered as an option for people who feel customization has completely ruined the game.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 27 January 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

but there should be a stock mech only gamemode. MW3 and MW4 both had that option. MWLL was stock mech only too.

stock mech only should be offered as an option for people who feel customization has completely ruined the game.

If PGI made custom servers no longer require payment to host, then people could make their own stock mode.

[CDLord HHGD]

Khobai, on 27 January 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

stock mech only should be offered as an option for people who feel customization has completely ruined the game.

Because it has.....

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

FupDup, on 26 January 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

Currently, IS mechs only have Ferro without Endo if the player chooses to gimp themselves. If the player is using the mechlab effectively, no IS mech has to carry FF before already equipping Endo.

Actually there are some stock mechs that come with Ferro over endo is the point I'm making.

you are correct, no mech HAS to carry FF before Endo, but I was saying that there are some that COME with Ferro instead of Endo sock.

[FupDup]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 January 2016 - 03:52 PM, said:

Actually there are some stock mechs that come with Ferro over endo is the point I'm making.

you are correct, no mech HAS to carry FF before Endo, but I was saying that there are some that COME with Ferro instead of Endo sock.

If somebody keeps Ferro over Endo stock, then they are in fact gimping themselves like I said.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

FupDup, on 27 January 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

If somebody keeps Ferro over Endo stock, then they are in fact gimping themselves like I said.

Jesus, can you miss the point of my post any harder?

I agree with you entirely. **** man, I was simply pointing out that the original post I replied to implied that Ferro was never used. I was pointing out it is.

God damn, reading comprehension is not that hard.

[Lord0fHats]

Khobai, on 27 January 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:

thats not an option because of stock mechs.

That has absolutely no relevance to this.

Assuming a stock game mode, Ferro taking less slots doesn't mean anything. Even in the context of mechs coming stock it really doesn't change much. Almost no one runs stock builds in game (for good reason).

And well, there's never going to be a stock gamemode... (Just saying... That dead horse is deader than 10v12)

Edited by Lord0fHats, 27 January 2016 - 11:02 PM.