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[Ted Wayz]

Cillipuddi, on 30 January 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

So now we know what you're all boo boo butthurt about. Esports. Heaven forbid the game gets publicity and becomes a bigger thing than what the "niche trolls" want.

Really? You think this is the next big thing do you? You think this is the game the eSport crowd has been waiting for? You think the tournament money couldn't be better spent? Okay.

You do know that there are already tournaments, and do you have any idea in the interest in them? But I guess uninformed opinions are what general discussion is for.

oldradagast, on 30 January 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

- It's not worth losing one's cool over some general ideas on making flamers useful. Now, if they turn them into "crowd lock-down weapons," we'll have a problem, but we're not there yet.

I love the play on words, +10!

The thing is we may already be there after the patch. True it is speculation, but refer back to your "Can PGI get it right" comment.

[oldradagast]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

I love the play on words, +10!

The thing is we may already be there after the patch. True it is speculation, but refer back to your "Can PGI get it right" comment.

We don't know yet - that's the thing. And while PGI has a mixed record on balancing - they'll fix LRM overloads quickly, but the PPC still stinks for well over a year - I don't think it is reasonable to claim that the game is turning into a "generic shooter" or Mortal Kombat because of a proposed idea to make flamers useful.

In short, the concern of crowd-control flamer lock-down is valid, yes, but the response was over the top, IMHO.

[Ted Wayz]

MerryIguana, on 30 January 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

uh.. lol?

I have spent on average a $100 a month on this game. So that means if you and Cilli spend $50 each a month the loss of my support will be negated. Are you ready and able to do so?

[Sjorpha]

If the flamer becomes a viable tool to actually counter laser vomit builds and keep mechs suppressed that is a very very good thing, flamer boats in turn are of course easily countered by cool running ballistic and SRM brawlers.

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

I have spent on average a $100 a month on this game. So that means if you and Cilli spend $50 each a month the loss of my support will be negated. Are you ready and able to do so?

The more people believe the game is a good game the more money it will make. It doesn't matter if you're a big spender, you're still just one person.

I think most people, including die hard BT fans, wants flamers to be buffed into being strategically useful. Therefore strategically useful flamers will make more money than useless flamers.

Also there is plenty of suppression and crowd control in battletech, just like in any other wargame.

Edited by Sjorpha, 30 January 2016 - 07:44 AM.

[Ted Wayz]

oldradagast, on 30 January 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

We don't know yet - that's the thing. And while PGI has a mixed record on balancing - they'll fix LRM overloads quickly, but the PPC still stinks for well over a year - I don't think it is reasonable to claim that the game is turning into a "generic shooter" or Mortal Kombat because of a proposed idea to make flamers useful.

In short, the concern of crowd-control flamer lock-down is valid, yes, but the response was over the top, IMHO.

Just connecting the dots and using the information given. The Steam release announcements is when the curtain was pulled back and it was revealed that all Russ was concerned about was the eSport crowd and that the BT crowd was in the rear view mirror.

The thing is you can have both. Solaris was always there and exists within the lore.

I will say it is nice to have a role other then just shooting things up. But I would have liked to see scouting addressed first. But then scouting isn't really a FPS thing, is it.

[MerryIguana]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

I have spent on average a $100 a month on this game. So that means if you and Cilli spend $50 each a month the loss of my support will be negated. Are you ready and able to do so?

I support the founders. Always have.

[Imperius]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

You haven't read much and comprehend less of what I have said. So small words.

The...Battletech...crowd...made...the....game...possible...based...on...the...promise...of...a...Battletech....game.

Need help with any of the words above? I have spaced them out so you can use an internet dictionary via cut and paste.

You're out and of control I'm a legendary founder too so what... He's not adding immersion? WHAT DOES+ PVE+AI +ENGINE UPDATES= immersion.

Lol the BT crowd made it possible, I'm a MechAssault 1/2 kid I've dropped $2,350 on the game, almost my entire list of things I want added to the game are in... Things that actually make the game better. Please just stop you're embarrassing yourself.

Edited by Imperius, 30 January 2016 - 07:51 AM.

[TexAce]

All I take from this thread is one guy being afraid of Flamers. Lol. This is beyond stupid. No one would make a 1 ton weapon be more worth than 1 ton.

Enough cry cry, more pew pew.

[Ted Wayz]

Cillipuddi, on 30 January 2016 - 07:11 AM, said:

I think you mean, I don't agree with you. I appreciate the condescending tone of your comment though. You can get as frustrated as you want with me. I spend money on the game and have very little complaints for what it is. You can sit here and cry about 4 year old promises that never came to fruition or enjoy the game for what it is. You're trying to judge a fish's ability to climb a tree.

I am more amused than frustrated. My guess is you spend very little and that you haven't been here since the beginning. There are so many voices missing because they knew early on that their faith was not going to be rewarded. I hung on a bit longer but my expectations have been consistent and my hope that they would be met encouraged me to keep funding this game.

The Steam release party is what did it for me.

Needless to say I think i have earned the right to be critical as much as you are allowed to be a fanboi. Only now it is your responsibility to keep the lights on.

[Dirkdaring]

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Can you imagine the rage people will have if a flammer light, locks up your mech, and the only thing you can do is stand there and get [censored]? You think people complain about LRMs? Wait till flamers actually do something.

Yeah, I can imagine it. If a light is stopped or circling a mech lighting him up with flamers he's going to be spending the rest of the match in spectator mode because my teammates will trash his stupid as* in 2 seconds flat.

[Ted Wayz]

Imperius, on 30 January 2016 - 07:48 AM, said:

You're out and of control I'm a legendary founder too so what... He's not adding immersion? WHAT DOES+ PVE+AI +ENGINE UPDATES= immersion.

Lol the BT crowd made it possible, I'm a MechAssault 1/2 kid I've dropped $2,350 on the game, almost my entire list of things I want added to the game are in... Things that actually make the game better. Please just stop you're embarrassing yourself.

Nice try. Hey, where did most of the original people go?

You are a founder, but you are a minority. I am in a different minority. Founders that didn't get what they wanted and stuck around. But then I have never lowered my expectations which were set by PGI in the beginning.

Dirkdaring, on 30 January 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

Yeah, I can imagine it. If a light is stopped or circling a mech lighting him up with flamers he's going to be spending the rest of the match in spectator mode because my teammates will trash his stupid as* in 2 seconds flat.

Nice sentiment. There are already 12 man flamer troll groups. They will now be more effective.

[C I L L I P U D D I]

I'm sure PGI will miss your $100 a month lol.

And yes I do believe MWO can have a successful Esports scene. Will it be LoL, DOTA2 or CSGO? Absolutely not. And those other mom and pop tourney's aren't supported or sponsored by any company of relevance. You really don't know what you're talking about, at all.

[Ted Wayz]

Cillipuddi, on 30 January 2016 - 07:54 AM, said:

I'm sure PGI will miss your $100 a month lol.

And yes I do believe MWO can have a successful Esports scene. Will it be LoL, DOTA2 or CSGO? Absolutely not. And those other mom and pop tourney's aren't supported or sponsored by any company of relevance. You really don't know what you're talking about, at all.

Again, you think based on what? Certainly not past and current history as it does not support what you say. People may think I am a troll but what I say is always based on something more than an opinion.

The fact that you do not know about MWOs tourney history makes your last statement ironic and prophetic.

[El Bandito]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

Russ announced we will have crowd control via the use of flamers. Get ready for those 12-man flamer troll groups.

It is obvious the direction this game is headed. Russ wants this to be LoL with mechs. If this is what he believes will make the game viable, okay. Just come out and say it though. Stop pretending that this is a Battletech game.

Battletech lore has crowd control weapons, you nincompoop!

http://www.sarna.net...tle_Armor_Taser

http://www.sarna.net...attleMech_Taser

Edited by El Bandito, 30 January 2016 - 08:01 AM.

[Sadist Cain]

Cillipuddi, on 30 January 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

So now we know what you're all boo boo butthurt about. Esports. Heaven forbid the game gets publicity and becomes a bigger thing than what the "niche trolls" want.

You ramble on like some teenage mong whos spending his parents money on this game.

"Niche Trolls"? wtf are you smoking child?!
I too have never touched BT before this game but you have to be blind to think it "niche" to have planetary warfare between many factions with hundreds of mechs, infantry, air units accompanied with engaging story lines sprawling across hundreds of years with countless wars, Solaris arena combat and all the rest.

You're quite happy licking scraps from the floor of Battletech yet complaining bitterly about the fact that people are telling you there's a feast on the table above you.

[Ted Wayz]

El Bandito, on 30 January 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

Battletech lore has crowd control, you nincompoop!

http://www.sarna.net...tle_Armor_Taser

http://www.sarna.net...attleMech_Taser

You miss the point of the post. We will wait while you catch up.

[El Bandito]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

You miss the point of the post. We will wait while you catch up.

No, I understood perfectly. You think by introducing crowd control weapon into the game, it will be less BT and more LoL, but you are wrong.

[Imperius]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

You miss the point of the post. We will wait while you catch up.

You haven't shared the drugs you're on for any of us to catch up...

I think you missed this image this list is pretty much crossed off

Edited by Imperius, 30 January 2016 - 08:02 AM.

[cazidin]

Somehow I question how effective Flamers will become if a certain someone(s) consider MGs to be in a good place right now. To be fair though, that and the possible IS nerfs are my only complaints. Everything else looks nice. Plus a new LRM hero mech! Yey!

[C I L L I P U D D I]

I know they had a horrible tourney 2 years ago that was plagued by cheating, thus why they're moving the finals on site. I think you're slowly seeing your opinion is unwanted and deemed "troll".

Based on what? Based on the fact the Esports scene is one of the fastest growing industries out at the moment. I played Halo 2 professionally, many years ago, when Esports was still looked down on. Now, Esports has its own page on ESPN and is promoted by them. Like I said MWO wont be a world sensation like MOBA's or twitch-shooters but it will be successful. There's a huge group of this community that already wants a pay-out competitive scene and it will only grow as the game and the exposure grows.