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[patataman]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 03 February 2016 - 02:47 AM, said:

>log into steam
>see mechwarrior online released
>liked mw4, so decided to try it
>play game, pretty fun, laser pew pew balistics etc daaka daaka
>buys new raven with ccbills
>needs to get new engine
>engine is 3x the price of my raven
>f2p, whatever, gets over it
>finally gets engine, mech is now usable
>discover skill tree
>f2p,
>need 3x mechs to max out my raven
>sees module costs, oh god
>checks premium store
>10$ per raven
>this is why I'm dead inside
>grindwarrior online, free to play now

I'll see you guys in 5 months when I max my first 4 mechs.

1) Welcome! I hope you enjoy the game.
2) Just play for fun without looking at the c-bills. It won't take you 5 months to master the ravens.
3) Use this web http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ab#i=33&l=stock to play with your loadout without spending a single c-bill. You can check all mech chassis and variants there, and maps too. You can also find many many builds in webs like https://www.mechspecs.com/ or http://metamechs.com/
4) If you want to stay F2P, there are lots of challenges and events that give free MC, save it an you will have enough for a hero mech (they earn +30% cbills) in not much time. And hero sales with 50% or 35% discounts happen quite often. Of course, if you want to spend money it will be faster.
5) Use trial mechs at least once, and find out what class you like better.
6) After you die horribly (you will, because every single one of us did) don't leave the match, stay spectating and look at how other pilots play. You will learn a lot.
7) Stay out of "faction warfare" for now, it's the hardcore mode of the game, if you play there with trial mechs you will be at a disadvantage.
8) You can move the expensive engine from one mech to another, and you can do the same with modules or any other component. This way you can use your c-bills more efficiently.
9) Welcome to the forums, feel free to ask any question you have, the comunity is quite helpful.

[mogs01gt]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 03 February 2016 - 02:47 AM, said:

>log into steam
>see mechwarrior online released
>liked mw4, so decided to try it
>play game, pretty fun, laser pew pew balistics etc daaka daaka
>buys new raven with ccbills
>needs to get new engine
>engine is 3x the price of my raven
>f2p, whatever, gets over it
>finally gets engine, mech is now usable
>discover skill tree
>f2p,
>need 3x mechs to max out my raven
>sees module costs, oh god
>checks premium store
>10$ per raven
>this is why I'm dead inside
>grindwarrior online, free to play now

I'll see you guys in 5 months when I max my first 4 mechs.

Did you come on the forums first before buying that mech?? If you did, people would have told you that it is a horrible first pick! Heavies and certain Mediums are your best bet but start mechs since they are efficient at earning Cbills.

If you do spend money on a mech, get a Hero!

[Aleski]

mogs01gt, on 03 February 2016 - 05:24 AM, said:

Did you come on the forums first before buying that mech?? If you did, people would have told you that it is a horrible first pick! Heavies and certain Mediums are your best bet but start mechs since they are efficient at earning Cbills.

If you do spend money on a mech, get a Hero!

Horrible first pick ? The Raven ? What a bad advice here !!!! Raven are one of the great light chassis. And the lights mech are a very good category to learn how to play well and wisely.

The first mech to buy ? Buy the one you like ! Not the medium or heavy anybody play cause it's the tier 1 mech... Just have fun when you start to play. The first mech i have buy was the Kintaro 18, it's not and will never be a top tier mech but i enjoy it and still play it.

[mogs01gt]

Aleski, on 03 February 2016 - 05:30 AM, said:

Horrible first pick ? The Raven ? What a bad advice here !!!! Raven are one of the great light chassis. And the lights mech are a very good category to learn how to play well and wisely.

The first mech to buy ? Buy the one you like ! Not the medium or heavy anybody play cause it's the tier 1 mech... Just have fun when you start to play. The first mech i have buy was the Kintaro 18, it's not and will never be a top tier mech but i enjoy it and still play it.

Lights tend to do less damage per match, are harder to pilot and are easier to kill.....A raven is a horrible first mech!

Telling a new player to "buy the one you like" is stupid. They need educated mechs

Edited by mogs01gt, 03 February 2016 - 06:06 AM.

[Aleski]

mogs01gt, on 03 February 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

Lights tend to do less damage per match, are harder to pilot and are harder to kill.....A raven is a horrible first mech!

I take my Huggin over any assault mech and i can told you, i will often made more damages... The same with my Raven 3L.

Lights are not harder to pilot. They have the speed and the agility that assault don't have. For a beginner it can be a good choice if he is new to MWO, the sluggish assaults and heavies are very difficult to play. With a light, when you go to the wrong place you can easily turn back and save you *ss.

[patataman]

The raven is a fine mech, and runing a light as a first mech has an advantage, you have more freedom to move around and learn the maps faster. The K2 was my first mech, but 2 weeks later (after the last closed beta wipe), i jumped into ravens. Ok, the enviroment did evolve since then, but the raven is still a more than decent and popular choice.

[xTrident]

At least there's sales on different mechs every week. When I first started I believe it was full price all the time.

But yes, the grind is real. My biggest complaint is this F2P model everyone talks about.

[mogs01gt]

Aleski, on 03 February 2016 - 05:50 AM, said:

I take my Huggin over any assault mech and i can told you, i will often made more damages... The same with my Raven 3L.
Lights are not harder to pilot. They have the speed and the agility that assault don't have. For a beginner it can be a good choice if he is new to MWO, the sluggish assaults and heavies are very difficult to play. With a light, when you go to the wrong place you can easily turn back and save you *ss.

STOP! New players arent YOU! If you are good with lights, fine but new players are going to be stuck in a light mech that isnt optimized correctly.

New players need mechs that are able to dish out a lot of damage immediately. That way they do not feel the grind of having lack of cbills. Heavies and Mediums are the proper choice.

Heavies being sluggish, LMAO!

Edited by mogs01gt, 03 February 2016 - 06:10 AM.

[Retrospectus]

don't forget to sell off the engines you don't use when you strip them out of a mech. I put xl's in almost everything so buying mech I can reduce the price by whatever I can get for the engine. (though be sure you won't be needing it later, an std engine under 250 is useless for most builds)

a rule of thumb I have when eliting a chassis is not buying the next one until I earned the c-bills I spent on the current one back or close to it. (I.E if I had 20 million before buying a new chassis and spent 5 million buying and upgrading I won't buy the second till I earn that 5 million back.) obviously this gets easier later on when you have enough engines/weapons to not have to buy a new set every time.
though if there's a sale on I'm less concerned with my rule.

[Johnny Z]

Well since this topic has been turned into what starter mechs new players should use, I totally think new players should get a free medium chassis with back story how they got it and chassis choice depending on faction choice.

Did that make sense? I don't care, point made.

Grindwarrior Online? He has to be joking, it is the least grind of any online game I am aware of, pay to play or free to play, and that's saying alot. Hurting for content to, compared to some, but not to bad compared to others.

Get real Ivan! (John in Russian speak that or Evon)

Edited by Johnny Z, 03 February 2016 - 06:25 AM.

[Livewyr]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 03 February 2016 - 02:47 AM, said:

>log into steam
>see mechwarrior online released
>liked mw4, so decided to try it
>play game, pretty fun, laser pew pew balistics etc daaka daaka
>buys new raven with ccbills
>needs to get new engine
>engine is 3x the price of my raven
>f2p, whatever, gets over it
>finally gets engine, mech is now usable
>discover skill tree
>f2p,
>need 3x mechs to max out my raven
>sees module costs, oh god
>checks premium store
>10$ per raven
>this is why I'm dead inside
>grindwarrior online, free to play now

I'll see you guys in 5 months when I max my first 4 mechs.

lol, are you serious?

Grind WoT or WTGF and come back...

[El Bandito]

Livewyr, on 03 February 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

lol, are you serious?

Grind WoT or WTGF and come back...

To be fair, comparing a bad grind to an even worse model does not make it any less bad.

If not for the the slew of MC/C-Bill sales PGI had been putting out lately, I would be standing behind OP 100%.

Edited by El Bandito, 03 February 2016 - 06:49 AM.

[Red Shrike]

adamts01, on 03 February 2016 - 03:14 AM, said:

Thanks to quirks, all the Ravens are playable. It was hell to grind the 2x and 4x when they first came out.

My 4X used to be good. It used to be my favorite MWO mech, and I could actually do some serious damage.
Nowadays, 97kph is slow, 2 pulse lasers merely tickle the enemy, and my armor is blown away within seconds.

The Raven used to be fun.

[Davegt27]

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Posted Today, 03:47 AM
>log into steam
> see mechwarrior online released
> liked mw4, so decided to try it
> play game, pretty fun, laser pew pew balistics etc daaka daaka
> buys new raven with ccbills
> needs to get new engine
> engine is 3x the price of my raven
> f2p, whatever, gets over it
> finally gets engine, mech is now usable
> discover skill tree
> f2p,
> need 3x mechs to max out my raven
> sees module costs, oh god
> checks premium store
> 10$ per raven
> this is why I'm dead inside
> grindwarrior online, free to play now

I'll see you guys in 5 months when I max my first 4 mechs.

I hear you its about 3 times more grindy then when I started a year and 7 months ago

[NextGame]

mogs01gt, on 03 February 2016 - 05:24 AM, said:

Did you come on the forums first before buying that mech?? If you did, people would have told you that it is a horrible first pick! Heavies and certain Mediums are your best bet but start mechs since they are efficient at earning Cbills.

If you do spend money on a mech, get a Hero!

Ravens ok, certainly not best in class, but workable and a far cry from being the worst. Somewhere like a 7/10. Also, crucially it suits the ERLL gameplay of the present time.

Sure, a competent heavy or assault should be able to deal with it, but taking lights in their own bracket, Raven still offers something to the team.

[AdamBaines]

El Bandito, on 03 February 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

The 3-for-1 mechanic in the skill tree is ****. The skills we learn in the skill tree are ****.




Get your **** together, PGI! (oh wait)

Really? Reeeeealy? :-)

[Jables McBarty]

Prof RJ Gumby, on 03 February 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

What's funny, in MWO you actually have to grind LESS with time. The more mechs you have(had), the bigger the chance you've already got the right engine/weapons/equipment/modules in your inventory and you don't need to buy new ones. You can swap already owned modules between mechs too.

Fun fact: I've got like 5 or 8 mechs built around xl300 engine. Until recently, I've had ONE xl300 engine. Now I had two of them (2nd was sitting in a centurion I bought recently).

Listen to the Professor. And do this for weapons when trying out a new build. Want to put PPCs on your Vulture? Strip them from the Highlander. Then maybe later if you REALLY like both builds and HATE swapping the weapons, you shell out for more PPCs.

Aleski, on 03 February 2016 - 05:30 AM, said:

Horrible first pick ? The Raven ? What a bad advice here !!!! Raven are one of the great light chassis. And the lights mech are a very good category to learn how to play well and wisely.

The first mech to buy ? Buy the one you like ! Not the medium or heavy anybody play cause it's the tier 1 mech... Just have fun when you start to play. The first mech i have buy was the Kintaro 18, it's not and will never be a top tier mech but i enjoy it and still play it.

+1

Playing lights gives you situational awareness. You can get in and out of danger. You can move super-fast, which in lower tiers is much better protection from damage than armor. Learn to use your ECM, angular velocity, and cover to dodge LRMs. Torso twist and run in unpredictable zigzags. Heavies can't get a scratch on you.

mogs01gt, on 03 February 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

STOP! New players arent YOU! If you are good with lights, fine but new players are going to be stuck in a light mech that isnt optimized correctly.

New players need mechs that are able to dish out a lot of damage immediately. That way they do not feel the grind of having lack of cbills. Heavies and Mediums are the proper choice.

Heavies being sluggish, LMAO!

Damage Dealt might have once been the king of Cbills, but no longer. I consistently make more in my JR7s (my starter 'mechs) than I do in any heavy. Lights get Protected Light and Protection Proximity bonuses like nobody's business just by being around bigger 'mechs. They can scoop up Scouting and Spotting Assist bonuses. Next to LRMBoats, they are the best at picking up Assists, since they're zipping around the battle scratching armor and denting legs.

If you can last long enough to get Kills and Kills Most Damage Dealth, then maybe the heavy is the way to go. But if you get caught out of position all the time, you won't last long enough to get Ks and KMDDs. So if grinding Cbills is your goal, maybe a light is for you.

...

OP: What matters is that you find some 'mechs that make you happy and that make you forget the grind. Last night I played ~10 matches NARCing in my Mist Lynx (possibly the least-meta 'mech around). I made about C50,000 a match, since NARC $$$ bonuses are pretty much non-existent, and because I would sometimes deal less than 60 damage. But I had fun. Because NARCing is fun.

Find what makes it fun. Don't worry about the Skill Tiers--'mechs will skill themselves with time.

And if you are getting frustrated because you like the gameplay but want MOAR MECHS then I suggest dropping $20-$40 on a mech pack. It's what you payed for MW4, and it'll really take attention away from the grind. Because while you're focused on mastering your real $$$ mechs you'll grind out enough Cbills for more free 'mechs.

[Jables McBarty]

Also as a recent recruit myself (one week pre-Steam), I'd generally advise against mastering your first chassis. Spread those C-bills around, find different chassis that you like.

If Lights are your thing, that makes this REALLY easy, since you can pick up a new chassis for ~10 games worth of C-Bills. No money lost if you decide you don't like it (of course, not if you upgrade to EndoSteel and DHS).

[Livewyr]

El Bandito, on 03 February 2016 - 06:43 AM, said:

To be fair, comparing a bad grind to an even worse model does not make it any less bad.

If not for the the slew of MC/C-Bill sales PGI had been putting out lately, I would be standing behind OP 100%.

"Bad" grind is relative.
If you enjoy the game and look forward to acquiring more things, with patience... then it is easy.

If you want all the toys and to be top within a very short span of time- "You're going to have a bad time."

mmkay?

[Johnny Gorbachev]

Livewyr, on 03 February 2016 - 08:02 AM, said:

"Bad" grind is relative.
If you enjoy the game and look forward to acquiring more things, with patience... then it is easy.

If you want all the toys and to be top within a very short span of time- "You're going to have a bad time."

mmkay?

Grind is objective. If one game takes you 10 hours to unlock a character, and another takes 100, the one that takes 100 has worse grind.

Comparing this game to warthunder/ WoT isn't fair because they are both always going to have the most grind. Coming 2nd place to them isn't saying much. Compared to f2p titles in general this game is pretty stinge especially to new players.

Edited by Johnny Gorbachev, 03 February 2016 - 08:30 AM.