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[MoonUnitBeta]

Tyler Valentine, on 03 February 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

best you could do?

I'm right.

Except that your mom is my business.........
OH!
lol

[CtrlAltWheee]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 03 February 2016 - 02:12 PM, said:

No, you are using a strawman to support your argument, I don't believe anyone in this thread has said PGI isn't a business or that we think that they should be like our mom (whatever that means). It means that we think the price is too high much like many other things regardless of nostalgia, too high of prices is a good way to give middle fingers to your customers especially in a free to play game where content for free players is delayed around 3 months.

I'm a paying customer. A man's gotta eat and the pricing is fair. I am not insulted. If I don't want to pay $20, I will wait the 3 months and spend 50 hours playing so I can buy them for 'free.' I make that decision because I'm an adult, and it's okay.

[Jetfire]

Rouken, on 03 February 2016 - 02:15 PM, said:

You can take $20 off that by buying the other package. Looks like the difference is an extra KDK-1 with the champion bonus and a bunch of cosmetic stuff.

$50 for 6 mechs doesn't sound bad to me at all.

I mean it does and it doesn't. Honestly I think all PGI's pricing is about 200% of what the general market will bear, but with enthusiasts... the barriers are higher. In the end PGI is relying on the hardcore market for these packs while marketing the cheaper older stuff to newcomers.

[LordLosh]

Fair is objective based on what you feel you are getting out of it. For $70 you get 7 mechs. I think people are complaining and rightfully so in my opinion is all other packs you get double the amount of mechs. Origins LLC for $80 gets you 12 mechs. NOT even counting the extra 4 mechs you got if you bought early. So yeah $70 seems to tip the price scale off towards the greedy and is unjustifiable. I think if you buy Collector and hero they should throw you a bone and give you the other two for early adopter rewards. Or at bare minimum lower the price considerably.
I get the supply and demand thing Kodiak is a very highly sought after mech but it still doesn't make it right.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

CtrlAltWheee, on 03 February 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

I'm a paying customer. A man's gotta eat and the pricing is fair. I am not insulted. If I don't want to pay $20, I will wait the 3 months and spend 50 hours playing so I can buy them for 'free.' I make that decision because I'm an adult, and it's okay.

I never said it gave the middle finger to everyone.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

627, on 03 February 2016 - 02:44 PM, said:

And when you think about a complete AAA title like fallout 4, GTA5 or the latest XYZ that all cost 50$... how does it sound then?

Don't wanna jerk around and I spent more money here than I thought I did but I think the value is a bit shallow for so much money.

It still looks fine to me because my interest in Fallout 4 has come and gone and I'm still playing MWO.

[Mystere]

FupDup, on 03 February 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

Diamond or GTFO.

Synthetics?

[Queen of England]

That top-level price tag is pretty eye-popping but if past experience is any guide the day they release my games will have 6 kodiaks on each side anyway. They'll keep charging it if people keep paying it...

[1453 R]

Being fair, the whole-shebang 70 bucks does get you seven individual 'Mechs. Ten bucks a 'Mech isn't necessarily awful pricing, though it's not really great, either. And the 'Collector's' edition remains a very sore deal - I should not have to pay double the price for the [S] variant, especially since it's a clone of the regular variant I'm already getting.

Still. Individually, each tier (other than the Collector's nonsense) isn't really all that bad. Twenty bucks for three hundred-tonners, a month of Premium, and a couple of tchotchkes? Reasonable. Fifteen bucks for a Hero? Very reasonable, given the normal disastrous Hero pricing, especially at this tonnage. Trust me, 35 bucks for the Hero and three sidekicks is...what, maybe half of what the 100-ton Spirit Bear by itself would cost in MC?

Another fifteen bucks for two extra Kodiak variants isn't bad pricing per 'Mech, even if the variants themselves are of somewhat dubious value based on hardpoints alone. The KDK-5 is especially lollerskates - I mean, c'mon. What're you going to do with eleven energy hardpoints that you couldn't do with nine energy hardpoints on the KDK-1? The KDK-4 can sorta pretend to have a purpose with arm-aimable SRM launchers to accompany whatever brawling lasers it uses, though frankly I'd peg the Spirit Bear as the primo brawler in the lot. It's like an AS7-D-DC, except instead of ECM it gains twice the footspeed. Triple SRM-6 launchers, Quack/20, sling a pair of cLPL in the arms because you goddamn can, load up with ammo and heat sinks to taste, send enemies to the Spirit Realm in style. Love that paint job.

Anyways. Yeah, seventy bucks for one chassis is a whole damn lot, but you don't have to spend that. You pick your own level of dedication to the Kodiak Kraze, and outside of the Collector's upgrade - which has been bogus since it was invented really, they just got away with it for the UrbanMech because it's the UrbanMech - each individual piece seems fairly reasonable to me. Cut the Collector's pack, and you're paying fifty bucks for six 'Mechs, two months of Premium, cockpit swag and 'Mech bays (discounting Early Adopter for the moment).

Given Piranha's normal pricing schemes, fifty bucks for six 'Mechs and swag seems like an outright steal. Which says something about Piranha's normal pricing schemes, yes, but I also feel like this is a step forward and we shouldn't lambast them for weeks over it.

Y'know...just the Collector's Edition part. Even if I like the CE Kodiak's skin almost as much as I like Spirit Bear >_>... ANYWAYS. Will have to ponder Kodiaks. Not normally a top-end fatbro pilot - my Executioners give me ulcers, no matter how much I want/try to like them - but 4/6 hundred-tonners with buttpiles of energy in arms with elbows and a very deliciously-placed ballistic hardpoint or four might work out.

'Course, I thought the same about Executioners, before they released and we found out they had no torso twist whatsoever. Hrmm...I love my Warhawks, but my Executioners give me gas...what to do, what to do...


EDIT:: Anyone else notice how Piranha's totally dodging the issue of OmniMech Heroes, here? I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE, PIRANHA. I GOT MY EYE ON YOU. Still waiting for you to sort OmniHeroes out, you you you...

Edited by 1453 R, 03 February 2016 - 03:15 PM.

[Lorian Sunrider]

Bleh.

Not opposed to the new packaging as my first instinct screamed at me. I'll still get the $20 version and if I enjoy the mech I'll upgrade down the road. Personally annoyed with the fact that the variant I wanted most (KDK-5) is hidden behind the secondary paywall.

I know PGI will never do this, but it would nice if the standard package was choose three of the variants out of five and the remaining two you can add for the $15.

Just games are getting so expensive its tough to chose. I just dropped $95 canadian dollars for X-Com 2 with the first DLC cheap. It was still $80 just for the standard version. Me dropping a further $70 Canadian is just impossible.

[Wolfways]

Better than $360 for a Mad Dog

[Narcissistic Martyr]

FupDup, on 03 February 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

B-b-b-b-but I get to choose which ones I buy so it's totally more efficient per dollar!

It is if you don't play mediums or lights... Only just though.

Still I'm sure there will be plenty of takers, especially for the spirit (I'm secretly an Atlas S) totem variant. This of course means welcome to the new pricing structure. The 4 and 5... well collector might pick it up but I don't see to many takers to be honest.

Gotta be honest... I think I've been priced out this time. I could justify $80 for the origins IIC pack since I'm a huge fan of all those mechs in TT and $20 for the marauder and warhammer my 2 favorite mechs wasn't terrible... but... even if I weren't in between jobs atm I think I'd be done.

[Lozruet Gravemind]

1453 R, on 03 February 2016 - 03:14 PM, said:

Being fair, the whole-shebang 70 bucks does get you seven individual 'Mechs. Ten bucks a 'Mech isn't necessarily awful pricing, though it's not really great, either. And the 'Collector's' edition remains a very sore deal - I should not have to pay double the price for the [S] variant, especially since it's a clone of the regular variant I'm already getting.

Still. Individually, each tier (other than the Collector's nonsense) isn't really all that bad. Twenty bucks for three hundred-tonners, a month of Premium, and a couple of tchotchkes? Reasonable. Fifteen bucks for a Hero? Very reasonable, given the normal disastrous Hero pricing, especially at this tonnage. Trust me, 35 bucks for the Hero and three sidekicks is...what, maybe half of what the 100-ton Spirit Bear by itself would cost in MC?

Another fifteen bucks for two extra Kodiak variants isn't bad pricing per 'Mech, even if the variants themselves are of somewhat dubious value based on hardpoints alone. The KDK-5 is especially lollerskates - I mean, c'mon. What're you going to do with eleven energy hardpoints that you couldn't do with nine energy hardpoints on the KDK-1? The KDK-4 can sorta pretend to have a purpose with arm-aimable SRM launchers to accompany whatever brawling lasers it uses, though frankly I'd peg the Spirit Bear as the primo brawler in the lot. It's like an AS7-D-DC, except instead of ECM it gains twice the footspeed. Triple SRM-6 launchers, Quack/20, sling a pair of cLPL in the arms because you goddamn can, load up with ammo and heat sinks to taste, send enemies to the Spirit Realm in style. Love that paint job.

Anyways. Yeah, seventy bucks for one chassis is a whole damn lot, but you don't have to spend that. You pick your own level of dedication to the Kodiak Kraze, and outside of the Collector's upgrade - which has been bogus since it was invented really, they just got away with it for the UrbanMech because it's the UrbanMech - each individual piece seems fairly reasonable to me. Cut the Collector's pack, and you're paying fifty bucks for six 'Mechs, two months of Premium, cockpit swag and 'Mech bays (discounting Early Adopter for the moment).

Given Piranha's normal pricing schemes, fifty bucks for six 'Mechs and swag seems like an outright steal. Which says something about Piranha's normal pricing schemes, yes, but I also feel like this is a step forward and we shouldn't lambast them for weeks over it.

Y'know...just the Collector's Edition part. Even if I like the CE Kodiak's skin almost as much as I like Spirit Bear >_>... ANYWAYS. Will have to ponder Kodiaks. Not normally a top-end fatbro pilot - my Executioners give me ulcers, no matter how much I want/try to like them - but 4/6 hundred-tonners with buttpiles of energy in arms with elbows and a very deliciously-placed ballistic hardpoint or four might work out.

'Course, I thought the same about Executioners, before they released and we found out they had no torso twist whatsoever. Hrmm...I love my Warhawks, but my Executioners give me gas...what to do, what to do...


EDIT:: Anyone else notice how Piranha's totally dodging the issue of OmniMech Heroes, here? I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE, PIRANHA. I GOT MY EYE ON YOU. Still waiting for you to sort OmniHeroes out, you you you...

actually its a Quad Streak 6 build on the Hero. 3 in the Left Torso and 1 in the center. So 48 points of short range streak brawling.

[Lorian Sunrider]

Lozruet Gravemind, on 03 February 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

actually its a Quad Streak 6 build on the Hero. 3 in the Left Torso and 1 in the center. So 48 points of short range streak brawling.

Eh, I'll stick with regular SRM's and then as many MPL's as I can fit without it getting too hot. Use MASC to get nice and close and **** them up.

The 3 variant could have some fun Dakka as well with 4 ballistic points.

[Lozruet Gravemind]

Lorian Sunrider, on 03 February 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Eh, I'll stick with regular SRM's and then as many MPL's as I can fit without it getting too hot. Use MASC to get nice and close and **** them up.

Hey if you can aim SRMs go for it. Was just saying what the default was. And yeah that might be a little excessive for lights, primary target for Streaks, and Mediums or larger you can easily hit with normal SRMs.

[Roadkill]

1453 R, on 03 February 2016 - 03:14 PM, said:

And the 'Collector's' edition remains a very sore deal - I should not have to pay double the price for the [S] variant, especially since it's a clone of the regular variant I'm already getting.

You aren't. You're paying $20 for an (S) variant, 3x the tchotchkes, and an extra month of Premium time. The Premium time is worth ~$12 by itself (if you assign any value to Premium time at all), and the extra Warhorns are worth a couple of bucks each.

In reality, the (S) variant caters to a specific market that likes tchotchkes and +30% c-bills. For them, it's a really good deal because the Mech itself is basically free.

[New Breed]

even with the crap Canadian dollar it's one mech I can't really pass up. Purchased.

[sycocys]

Weren't the R1/2 and IIC packs $80 for 12 mechs even after the early adopters bonus, 16 mechs with.

$70 for 7 mechs which will probably end up being all pretty close to the same thing seems pretty shafty in comparison.

[9thDeathscream]

Yes the pricing seems fair, until u factor the exchange rate and then for us Australians is getting a bit costly

At current: AUD/USD = 1.3959
So: 70.00 USD = 97.71 AUD

That a substantial chunk of change in anyones books.

Hmmmm Wife aggro incoming soon!!!!

[sycocys]

Akulla1980, on 03 February 2016 - 03:33 PM, said:

Yes the pricing seems fair, until u factor the exchange rate and then for us Australians is getting a bit costly

At current: AUD/USD = 1.3959
So: 70.00 USD = 97.71 AUD

That a substantial chunk of change in anyones books.

Hmmmm Wife aggro incoming soon!!!!

You better hide the knives and get a steel cup.