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[GRiPSViGiL]

PGI hasn't done **** to deserve a dime from anyone in terms of development. This reaction of nostalgia you are having is what they count on. Don't be weak and give in. Just wait for it for CB. The Hero version is hideous anyway.

Metus regem, on 04 February 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

The gave me my Warhammer(s), now they need to release my Phoenix Hawk, Stinger and Wasp before I'll open my wallet again...

You are part of the problem. Buying their redundant mechs doesn't help the game develop. We need to force PGI to give us more than just mechs.

[CDLord HHGD]

GRiPSViGiL, on 04 February 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

PGI hasn't done **** to deserve a dime from anyone in terms of development. This reaction of nostalgia you are having is what they count on. Don't be weak and give in. Just wait for it for CB. The Hero version is hideous anyway.


You are part of the problem. Buying their redundant mechs doesn't help the game develop. We need to force PGI to give us more than just mechs.

Just because YOU are unhappy doesn't mean the rest of us should fall on our swords for YOUR cause. Hell, I might just go buy the KDK just to spite you now....

[Silas7]

The truth is the more money pgi generates with new mech packs the more man hours they can afford and people to hire to keep development moving forward, for some pgi hasn't shown enough evidence to suggest meaningful content is being made. So they 'vote with wallet' that's fine, everyone can't afford everything. In the long run supporting pgi can only enrich the game.

[Scout Derek]

Khobai, on 04 February 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

If the direwolf was so good it had to be nerfed, then theres no way the kodiak wont eventually get nerfed

im wary about buying it just because I know pgi is gonna nerf it



Direwolf with a 300 engine and a 10% turning speed quirk was obviously considered too agile LOL. Because they took away its turning speed quirk (in addition to nerfing the !@#$ out of the agility skills).

So you really think a Kodiak that can comfortably use a 350-370 engine and still run comparable firepower to a Direwolf is going to escape the nerf hammer? Especially when a variant has MASC and will be able to go 90kph in short bursts?

Its days are numbered. Before its even been released.

PGI won't nerf it because:

1. It's a battlemech, not a omnimech.

2. It's not going to have any quirks to it much.

3. You really think that if they haven't nerfed the IIC yet, that they'll nerf the Kodiak for it's hardpoints and size and for having a big engine?

It ain't getting nerfed man, and you know it, seems like flak being thrown at a iconic mech just for it's firepower. I mean really, the Orion IIC gets a XL360, moves like a champ, and gets double the firepower and speed while contending with the original 75 ton Orion that has to have quirks to not even contend with it's IIC counterpart?

And btw, you haven't been reading the road maps.... have you?

From the Feburary road map:

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Quirk changes
These will mostly cover changes to under-performing Clan ‘Mechs, but it’s also well worth stating that the remaining negative quirks on Clan ‘Mechs such as the Timber Wolf and Stormcrow have been removed. On the Inner Sphere side we’re toning down some structure on several Blackjacks, but the main change you’ll notice on the IS side is an overall policy change to limit all Energy Range Quirks to 10% across all IS ‘Mechs that possess an Energy Range Quirk. This should ensure that no IS ‘Mechs with ERLL will out-range a Clan counterpart, and overall I think this will bring the IS and Clan combat to an even better place than it is currently. The Patch Notes will contain full details on all of the Quirk changes.

Edited by Scout Derek, 04 February 2016 - 02:04 PM.

[Khobai]

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PGI won't nerf it because:

1. It's a battlemech, not a omnimech.

2. It's not going to have any quirks to it much.

3. You really think that if they haven't nerfed the IIC yet, that they'll nerf the Kodiak for it's hardpoints and size?

Um they did nerf the IIC mechs. theyre made of glass. where have you been?

The only way the Kodiak is going to be balanced is if its bigger than an Atlas and has even worse hitboxes than the Atlas does. PGI isnt going to add a new assault thats faster and more agile than the Dire Wolf, after they just nerfed the Dire Wolf for being too agile, unless the Kodiak has some horrendous downside.

Thats why I said im wary of buying it. If its too good to be true it usually is...

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1. It's a battlemech, not a omnimech.

ok and thats all the more reason to nerf it. all other things being equal, clan battlemechs are outright better than omnimechs. thats why the IIC mechs were given bad geometry/hitboxes to balance out the superiority of customization vs locked equipment.

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2. It's not going to have any quirks to it much.

and the direwolf is going to have quirks? unquirked kodiak > unquirked direwolf.

they just nerfed the !@#$ out of the direwolf so you really think theyre going to give it quirks again?

if neither mech has quirks the kodiak is just better by default. same firepower and armor with almost a 20kph speed advantage (not including MASC).

Edited by Khobai, 04 February 2016 - 02:12 PM.

[FupDup]

Silas7, on 04 February 2016 - 02:00 PM, said:

The truth is the more money pgi generates with new mech packs the more man hours they can afford and people to hire to keep development moving forward, for some pgi hasn't shown enough evidence to suggest meaningful content is being made. So they 'vote with wallet' that's fine, everyone can't afford everything. In the long run supporting pgi can only enrich the game.

How many mech packs will we have to buy for them to buff weapons like the LBX or mechs like Vindicators?

Most of the development of the game is the development of the next mech pack. It's a continuous cycle of more mechs, and from the outside it would almost seem as though they live from paycheck to paycheck.

[Dawnstealer]

Alistair Winter, on 04 February 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

Unless PGI is releasing the Axman next month, I'll wait for CW Phase 3 to see if I want to spend more money.

Vote with your wallet, indeed.

Axman/Hatchetman combo pack.

Honestly, I'm pretty happy with PGI at the moment. CW's still kind of meh, but I'll see what Phase 3 has to offer.

But mech package-wise? Yeah, I have...what? once the Archer rolls out, something like 150 mechs. And four of them are the Unseen. That's pretty cool.

But it also means that there's very little else I need, as far as mechs go.

Assassin, Hatchetman (and yeah, probably the Axman), Thug, annnnd...that's about it. And I'm not interested in Clan mechs.

I guess I'm saying that PGI is starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel - they're going to have to figure out something to sell me that isn't a mech. It's not that I don't like what they're putting out, it's that as a customer, they've sold me everything I wanted already - there's nothing else for me to buy that I want and there's precious little they could pull out of the bag o tricks left.

Battletech's a defined universe: unless they start just making mechs up, they're almost out of mechs to make. And I'm not sure what they'll do at that point. That's kind of the problem with making MW a free-to-play game: what happens when they run out of mechs?

Edited by Dawnstealer, 04 February 2016 - 02:09 PM.

[Mcgral18]

WarHippy, on 04 February 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

Sometime back(around the announcement of the Rifleman) I decided I was done giving PGI money due to some of the crappy decisions PGI had been making over the last 6 months or so. As such I didn't buy the Rifleman, nor the Archer() even though I really like the mech.

Now enters the Kodiak...

What I need is for someone to convince me to have a moratorium on my decision to no longer give them money so I can justify buying that mech because damn it I have always loved that mech and I think they have done a good job with it even with that silly sunken whack a mole head.

Go play an Executioner.

Imagine it has slightly more armor, and LOTS of extra tonnage for guns.

See how it takes a hit, and MASC buff coming next month will have identical speed characteristics to the Kodiak Hero with a 400XL (because 69 Kph).


Otherwise, play any other unquirked Assault with more firepower than the GladBag, and make up your mind. It shouldn't be a Terribad robot (because the guns and speed, unlike Mr Gargles who has speed but no guns), but may prove to be fragile.

[Silas7]

FupDup, on 04 February 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

How many mech packs will we have to buy for them to buff weapons like the LBX or mechs like Vindicators?

Most of the development of the game is the development of the next mech pack. It's a continuous cycle of more mechs, and from the outside it would almost seem as though they live from paycheck to paycheck.

It might seem like that, but really whoever works on new mechs has a shorter development cycle compared to the time it takes to sculpt a new map or redo textures etc.

We also have no idea how many people it takes for each project. It might take 2 people 3 weeks to pump out a new mech+variants Vs 4 people 2 months for a new map.

[GRiPSViGiL]

cdlord, on 04 February 2016 - 01:58 PM, said:

Just because YOU are unhappy doesn't mean the rest of us should fall on our swords for YOUR cause. Hell, I might just go buy the KDK just to spite you now....

So it is falling on your sword to not give money to an incompetent developer? Does estrogen flow through you? very dramatic take on the phrase. Please waste your money and spite me, it isn't like this game is anything more than a novelty or will last any measure of time anyway.

If you are content with the game then you should be buying every mech they crap out. Please keep rewarding them to steer the game towards solo ladder leader boards and more pointless team death match.

[Scout Derek]

GRiPSViGiL, on 04 February 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

PGI hasn't done **** to deserve a dime from anyone in terms of development. This reaction of nostalgia you are having is what they count on. Don't be weak and give in. Just wait for it for CB. The Hero version is hideous anyway.

Soooo, MWO shouldn't have been made in the first place and we shouldn't be talking about this right now? Is that what you're thinking? If so, then GRiP, I think you're here as someone who hates PGI for making a game see light again, and would rather let it die than support it.

And nostalgia? Hell yeah it's nostalgia, we've been waiting for some mechs awhile that it'd be hard not to have any. But I guess you can't understand that, understand that nostalgia is something that only comes in once a great while, and when it's gone, it might never come back, and I think that's a risk to take on many things.

Khobai, on 04 February 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

Um they did nerf the IIC mechs. theyre made of glass. where have you been?

The only way the Kodiak is going to be balanced is if its bigger than an Atlas and has even worse hitboxes than the Atlas does. PGI isnt going to add a new assault thats faster and more agile than the Dire Wolf, after they just nerfed the Dire Wolf for being too agile, unless the Kodiak has some horrendous downside.

Thats why I said im wary of buying it. If its too good to be true it usually is...



ok and thats all the more reason to nerf it. clan battlemechs are better than omnimechs. thats why the IIC mechs were given bad geometry/hitboxes.

Pfft, bad Geometry/hitboxes? Khoabi, I can tank damage like crazy in a Orion IIC, and even a HBK-IIC. I mean the Orion IIC has better CT hitboxes than the IS Orion, it's why it has mucho structure bonuses because it has bad hitboxes.

And we can't determine on whether it'll be balanced or not just based on hitboxes and size, take a Artcic Cheetah for example. No one knew how good it was until it hit the battlefield with QUIRKS. QUIRKS man, because no one knew the Artcic cheetah was worth anything because no one had ever seen anything like it before. It got squished later by a Nerf hammer because IT was unbalanced.

PGI will and can add a mech more agile than the Direwolf, but here's the thing: It's not the same thing as a DireWolf, it's got hardpoints all over the place unlike the Direwolf, which gets it's hardpoints all snug and lined up together well.

As well as that I'd like to add that the Kodiak will probably have the same Torso turn rate and speed as a Direwolf, but will have it more better because of being able to equip bigger engine sizes.

We can go on and on about this but the point is, PGI is already working on it as we speak, and when it arrives, we'll truly see how good or how bad it is, plus, if you're wary, c'mon man, there's something called a refund that gives you all your money back?

[GRiPSViGiL]

Silas7, on 04 February 2016 - 02:00 PM, said:

The truth is the more money pgi generates with new mech packs the more man hours they can afford and people to hire to keep development moving forward, for some pgi hasn't shown enough evidence to suggest meaningful content is being made. So they 'vote with wallet' that's fine, everyone can't afford everything. In the long run supporting pgi can only enrich the game.

There is no truth in this. Who is to say the money doesn't just keep them steering the development towards only creating moar mechs because they keep getting bought up.

Edited by GRiPSViGiL, 04 February 2016 - 02:22 PM.

[Scout Derek]

GRiPSViGiL, on 04 February 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

So it is falling on your sword to not give money to an incompetent developer? Does estrogen flow through you? very dramatic take on the phrase. Please waste your money and spite me, it isn't like this game is anything more than a novelty or will last any measure of time anyway.

Then why are you here playing the game and arguing a point in which in all scenarios, you don't like how the game is progressing? And if it isn't going to last why'd you buy up till wave II, is the game any better, any more liberal, any more better in mech prices, than when it was with IGP around here?

[Grimm Peaper]

Dawnstealer, on 04 February 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

Battletech's a defined universe: unless they start just making mechs up, they're almost out of mechs to make. And I'm not sure what they'll do at that point. That's kind of the problem with making MW a free-to-play game: what happens when they run out of mechs?

They advance the timeline and tech and introduce new weapons and new mechs mounting those weapons that you "OMG, they're so OP" gotta have in order to compete with others online because your old weapons are nerfed and the new weapons are not. Go go power creep. Competition will always fuel $$$ to PGI. It's the formula for F2P games.

Edited by Grimm Peaper, 04 February 2016 - 02:29 PM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Scout Derek, on 04 February 2016 - 02:20 PM, said:

Soooo, MWO shouldn't have been made in the first place and we shouldn't be talking about this right now? Is that what you're thinking? If so, then GRiP, I think you're here as someone who hates PGI for making a game see light again, and would rather let it die than support it.

And nostalgia? Hell yeah it's nostalgia, we've been waiting for some mechs awhile that it'd be hard not to have any. But I guess you can't understand that, understand that nostalgia is something that only comes in once a great while, and when it's gone, it might never come back, and I think that's a risk to take on many things.

Nostalgia can be used and nurtured to lead to support but not in the way PGI is doing it. CW Phase 3 maybe in April? Then what? Another year or more for phase 4? How many mechs would you guess we would see in that time? Eventually the carrot doesn't work anymore. There is to much competition when it comes to games that everyone should demand More than what PGI has given concerning game content.

I would rather see the game fail than have primarily team death match with 100s of redundant and most pointless chassis after almost 4 years of so-called development. Give us a hook, some actual content, a reason to think damn I better get on MWO and help my faction or house or clan get that planet.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Scout Derek, on 04 February 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

Then why are you here playing the game and arguing a point in which in all scenarios, you don't like how the game is progressing? And if it isn't going to last why'd you buy up till wave II, is the game any better, any more liberal, any more better in mech prices, than when it was with IGP around here?

Haven't played in a long long time. I bought everything up to wave II to support what CW was being sold as which stopped abruptly after what they dropped on us. I am here waiting to see if there is reason for me to play again. Waiting for every match to matter. Waiting for some actual content. Waiting for the reason to support again. I have enough mechs to play that I need no others and have enough CB to buy whatever I need due to power creep. I am not concerned about what the costs of mechs are I am concerned about the content that we do not have.

[WarHippy]

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Scout Derek, on 04 February 2016 - 01:45 PM, said:

>.>

<.<


Out. Now. Lol.



But if you really want a convincing argument, The KDK-3 gets 2 Ballistic Hardpoints in each side torso. Combined with Endo and Ferro compared to the DWF, it has much more tonnage to work with. So that means you can go UAC/10X4 Easily, or Dual Gauss.

You also get a bunch of stuff to go with it, ER Medium and UAC/20 Cooldown Module 5, Target info and Radar Derp modules, Ghost Beat camo for the Kodiak unlocked for all variants, Kodiak Warhorn, a medallion, and something else (can't remember right now), and 6.5 Million C-Bills.

So, if you order right now you receive about 30 Million C-Bills in bonus content, not to mention over 1000MC in items and camo alone, and that's if you want the standard pack right now, being $20.

Oh and it's a Clan battlemech; that means you can customize at will. And most, save for the KDK-2 and KDK-4, have plentiful amounts of hardpoints for it's size. AND the Kodiak Hero Spirit Bear has MASC. Removable too. So, Executioner speeds with Direwolf armor with the freedom to customize.

Now if you aren't convinced, then you need to consult the nearest and next Battletech game. (CGL FTW)

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Grimm Peaper, on 04 February 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

So you want us to motivate you into buying the mech pack?

Just imagine a dominatrix with a Russian accent is ordering you to buy it. "Do it for mother Russia!"

You guys gave me a good laugh and actually had me ready to buy, but then the guys below brought me down to a darker reality. It is interesting to see others views on things though.

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Khobai, on 04 February 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

If the direwolf was so good it had to be nerfed, then theres no way the kodiak wont eventually get nerfed

im wary about buying it just because I know pgi is gonna nerf it



Direwolf with a 300 engine and a 10% turning speed quirk was obviously considered too agile LOL. Because they took away its turning speed quirk (in addition to nerfing the !@#$ out of the agility skills).

So you really think a Kodiak that can comfortably use a 350-370 engine and still run comparable firepower to a Direwolf is going to escape the nerf hammer? Especially when a variant has MASC and will be able to go 90kph in short bursts?

Its days are numbered. Before its even been released.

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GRiPSViGiL, on 04 February 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

PGI hasn't done **** to deserve a dime from anyone in terms of development. This reaction of nostalgia you are having is what they count on. Don't be weak and give in. Just wait for it for CB. The Hero version is hideous anyway.


You are part of the problem. Buying their redundant mechs doesn't help the game develop. We need to force PGI to give us more than just mechs.

Spoiler

FupDup, on 04 February 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

How many mech packs will we have to buy for them to buff weapons like the LBX or mechs like Vindicators?

Most of the development of the game is the development of the next mech pack. It's a continuous cycle of more mechs, and from the outside it would almost seem as though they live from paycheck to paycheck.

[C E Dwyer]

WarHippy, on 04 February 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

Sometime back(around the announcement of the Rifleman) I decided I was done giving PGI money due to some of the crappy decisions PGI had been making over the last 6 months or so. As such I didn't buy the Rifleman, nor the Archer() even though I really like the mech.

Now enters the Kodiak...

What I need is for someone to convince me to have a moratorium on my decision to no longer give them money so I can justify buying that mech because damn it I have always loved that mech and I think they have done a good job with it even with that silly sunken whack a mole head.

Wait for it to come out in C-bills ?

You don't have to deal with Hit boxes being bad, or the nerf bat hitting it, myself I'm done with paying P.G.I to play test their poor quality control products

[Scout Derek]

WarHippy, on 04 February 2016 - 03:38 PM, said:

You guys gave me a good laugh and actually had me ready to buy, but then the guys below brought me down to a darker reality. It is interesting to see others views on things though.

Everyone has their own opinion of what's "Worth it" and what's "Not Worth it", and I'm not against that. What I am against are those that would hurt another's experience of a game by telling them false information.... FTR(For the Record), that's not GriP or Khobai whom I argued with btw, but you get what I mean

[Jon Gotham]

Juodas Varnas, on 04 February 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

I think it depends on what decisions prevent you from buying them in the first place.
I honestly, can't put my mind on anything really heinous PGI has done recently.

The decision to create yet another solo only mode. PGI's refusal to answer any question as to exactly what target audience they are aiming at.

Alistair Winter, on 04 February 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

Unless PGI is releasing the Axman next month, I'll wait for CW Phase 3 to see if I want to spend more money.

Vote with your wallet, indeed.

Exactly, waiting to see how boned CW will be or not be.