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[Johnny Gorbachev]

Brandarr Gunnarson, on 09 February 2016 - 06:51 PM, said:

Largely positive review with some directed criticism.

+1 for making headlines!

Does anyone even look at the final score lol. Its pretty bad.

[Brandarr Gunnarson]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

Does anyone even look at the final score lol. Its pretty bad.

I did, why do you think I pointed out the directed criticism?

Those criticisms are what brought the score down.

But any press is better than no press!

[Timuroslav]

The reporter, judge? Typed more about MechWarrior Online then a lot of other reviews on the website. Obviously, the reporter is a fan . I thought it was a damn fair review. Though it is humorous to me that the User Review Rated it MUCH higher than MMORPG.

The 5.4 rating was also rated back in 2013. Since then all the balance new mechs Better more Stable Maps, fixed bugs A great tutorial has been made.
Does have a point about CW though.

Edited by Timuroslav, 09 February 2016 - 07:04 PM.

[Trauglodyte]

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There’s a distinct lack of blind “fanboy”-ism

Have they never read any of Bishop's bajillion posts?

It was a really good write-up. The author nailed a lot of things which, overall, was mostly having to do with the fact that the game is 3+ years old and we're still playing the same game as Beta release except with a different arena (CW) available. But, the one thing that the author didn't bring up is the fact that PGI has done a better job promoting weekend events than any company of a game that I've seen all while having to deal with the likes of Harmony Gold and others to get the most iconic mechs in the Battletech 'verse. Plus, it is extremely challenging to create a game that is largely known more from its MechWarrior PC games than from Battletech - the vets would disagree but the Millenials know nothing about to-hit dice rolls cause rolling dice isn't an app. Has it been slow and arguably too slow? Yes. But, look at what exists now. If CW ever becomes a thing and the PvE comes about to lure in a new audience, the rest of the game could really pick up. Even if it doesn't, I'm happy to have the community, for the most part, that is here. Compared to the vitriol "I deserve it cause I want it" garbage going on with Hearthstone and other big name games, I'm comfy here.

Edited by Trauglodyte, 09 February 2016 - 07:08 PM.

[Timuroslav]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

Does anyone even look at the final score lol. Its pretty bad.

The review score from 2013?

MMORPG hut used to come back and re Review games for people who were on the fence post. Judging by the CON- reasons. Most of those issues have been resolved. The Mechlab isn't painful anymore.

Edited by Timuroslav, 09 February 2016 - 07:03 PM.

[Stonefalcon]

Tina Benoit, on 09 February 2016 - 03:42 PM, said:

If you're interested, take a read!

http://www.mmorpg.co...re/10559/page/1

I suspect the author hasn't visited the forums much, I wouldn't claim it as so friendly. Still a good read though.

[Sandpit]

Stonefalcon, on 09 February 2016 - 07:09 PM, said:

I suspect the author hasn't visited the forums much, I wouldn't claim it as so friendly. Still a good read though.

you'd be surprised, especially compared to most other online gaming communities like this.

[Johnny Gorbachev]

Sandpit, on 09 February 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

you'd be surprised, especially compared to most other online gaming communities like this.

There is an extreme amount of whiteknighting in these forums though, alot of F2P communities tend to embrace their flaws however this forums tries very hard to skirt and hide them.

[Sandpit]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

There is an extreme amount of whiteknighting in these forums though, alot of F2P communities tend to embrace their flaws however this forums tries very hard to skirt and hide them.

uhm ok lol
There are MAYBE 5 or so "white knights" on the forum.
MAYBE
5
and I'd lay that more to 2-3 if I were a betting man.

"White knighting" to many on here consists of not screaming for PGI's blood in every thread. giving them any kind of credit, holding constructive discussions, and disagreeing with anyone that speaks to how "incompetent" PGI is.

[Ratpoison]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

There is an extreme amount of whiteknighting in these forums though, alot of F2P communities tend to embrace their flaws however this forums tries very hard to skirt and hide them.

"White knighting" is just a term toxic players use to label and talk down to opposing opinions without bothering to consider them. It's simply a sign of being in denial over players coming to an opposing conclusion.

Edited by tortuousGoddess, 09 February 2016 - 09:06 PM.

[Dingo Battler]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

There is an extreme amount of whiteknighting in these forums though, alot of F2P communities tend to embrace their flaws however this forums tries very hard to skirt and hide them.

PGI used to be terrible under IGP, a lot of cash grabs, broken promises, and stupid stuff all the way through. People were baying for blood everyday.

Then IGP got sacked, and PGI started fulfilling a lot of old promises, and everyone was happy, because there is progress, no matter how little.

So we're conditioned from the IGP days to be excited at any little hint of progress.

I think PGI is doing a good job though.

[Johnny Z]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

There is an extreme amount of whiteknighting in these forums though, alot of F2P communities tend to embrace their flaws however this forums tries very hard to skirt and hide them.

Na. If there were problems I would be at least mentioning them. Other than Clan easy mode for way to long I havnt seen any real problems. Everything in game is 1st rate. The only valid complaints now would be over lack of content and development lag.

That's the way it is. No 'white knighting" needed.

Hey man sorry about that. You got a few replies. No worries. Any valid complaints will get no back talk from me.

You mentioned in another topic, the new player experience needs more added to it. That's a valid complaint. A lot is missing from this game, that or under construction.

Edited by Johnny Z, 09 February 2016 - 09:19 PM.

[Johnny Gorbachev]

tortuousGoddess, on 09 February 2016 - 09:05 PM, said:

"White knighting" is just a term toxic players use to label and talk down to opposing opinions without bothering to consider them. It's simply a sign of being in denial over players coming to an opposing conclusion.

And trolling is the term whiteknights use in the same way. They are both used in the same way, just at different ends. Both of them can be toxic, its just a matter of perspective and bias.

[Ratpoison]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

And trolling is the term whiteknights use in the same way. They are both used in the same way, just at different ends. Both of them can be toxic, its just a matter of perspective and bias.

Trolling isn't a term specific to anyone, sorry. "Whiteknights" are not a group that exist in reality; it's simply a label designed to group ALL opposing opinions together, so they can be easily disregarded without thought. The type of people who call others "whiteknights" are the same people who call others who pick maps they don't like "trolls", as if it's impossible to legitimately like what they don't. Same bad logic, same bad players.

[Void Angel]

Krovik, on 09 February 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

This review doesn't seem to be very positive for MWO.

It's not a glowing picture of the Next Big Game, but it's a balanced, thoughtful review that's positive overall. The reviewer is familiar with the game, and he acknowledges its shortcomings while praising what he enjoys. Basically he's saying that the game is fun, and that development is picking up and moving in the right direction - all of which is true.

I'm sadly unsurprised that we've had denizens of Troll Island bashing the review because the reviewer came to the Wrong Conclusions, but those guys have only a passing acquaintance with reasonable discourse. All in all, it's nice to see someone talking up the game on a website, but... lest the Islanders try and write it off as one guy's abnormal opinion:

I'm just going to leave this here.

[Johnny Gorbachev]

tortuousGoddess, on 09 February 2016 - 09:30 PM, said:

Trolling isn't a term specific to anyone, sorry. "Whiteknights" are not a group that exist in reality; it's simply a label designed to group ALL opposing opinions together, so they can be easily disregarded without thought. The type of people who call others "whiteknights" are the same people who call others who pick maps they don't like "trolls", as if it's impossible to legitimately like what they don't. Same bad logic, same bad players.

Just say I said something like "modules are a bad idea, shouldn't exist in this game."

Some might agree, some might not, but arguments such as "devs need to eat, lol this guy is a troll, you just need to get good modules don't make a difference" are all whiteknight arguments because they aren't really arguments.

Devs need to eat sure, but there are plenty of expensive garbage I can burn my money on, the grind is endless so that argument is void.

"Lol this guy is a troll isn't an argument," so there is no comment to be said.

"Get good" is sort of an argument, but it doesn't justify the grind wall for badplayers either, when they have enough of a hard time keeping up even without modules/metamechs, and the players that have to pay to compensate for this argument are bad players who are eventually going to leave anyway because playing the game isn't good enough for them to progress.

^These are all common counter arguments against some of the terrible systems in this game, and is an example of whiteknighting. Something that is obviously bad for the game, but is still defended until no end by the players = whiteknighting.

Whiteknighting and trolling are both valid descriptions, but most of the time they are used purely to avoid any form of discussion and just makes the game worse since terrible mechanics are actually being defended when in reality no one actually likes them. And when someone criticises a mechanic, white knights take it personally as they see it as an attack on them, instead of criticism.

Edited by Johnny Gorbachev, 09 February 2016 - 09:54 PM.

[Kilo 40]

"white knight" = "person telling me my criticism is wrong or invalid"

see also: "FanBoi"

[Eboli]

I think that the review is positive overall but does point out some issues in game that requires further development. Issues that the playerbase already knows about.

Although I enjoy CW PGI really needs to add those additional features that Russ has alluded to recently and further into the past. CW3 is coming I know and how successful CW is for this year will heavily rely on how and what this next stage presents to the player base.

Plugging solo queue only adds limited fun value and I really must emphasise more features over more mech varieties.

Still though, PGI has really put in a lot of features in the past year which sometimes the playerbase forgets. All I say is that I still hold out out faith in the game and look forward to improved features and gameplay for 2016. I have put a fair amount of money into this game and have no regrets.

Cheers
Eboli.

[Mechwarrior1441491]

About as effective of reviewing an x gf from 4 years ago. Who cares?

[Ratpoison]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 09 February 2016 - 09:52 PM, said:

^These are all common counter arguments against some of the terrible systems in this game, and is an example of whiteknighting. Something that is obviously bad for the game, but is still defended until no end by the players = whiteknighting.

Whiteknighting and trolling are both valid descriptions, but most of the time they are used purely to avoid any form of discussion and just makes the game worse since terrible mechanics are actually being defended when in reality no one actually likes them.

"My opinion is objectively right and those who disagree are white knights"

But since you keep defending and using the term it's obvious you don't want to actually think about this. Leave your house a few times and you may discover that people can come to different conclusions when presented with the same evidence.