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[MoonUnitBeta]

3xnihilo, on 12 February 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

What use do you get having it off? That is what I am trying to figure out.

You don't have to hold down a button. frees up your hand for carrying out other keybindings if you still want to move forward.
If you might need to press another key that requires you to let go of W.
When you let go of W with Throttle Decay on, you stop.

I'm lazy, so I don't like it. I also have space bar set as Center Legs to Torso, so I can just thumb down on it, and steer with my mouse, or look some where, tap space bar, and that's exactly where my mech is going. i don't need to worry about drifting into a rock or something.

[Aetes Nakatomi]

MoonUnitBeta, on 12 February 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:

You don't have to hold down a button. frees up your hand for carrying out other keybindings if you still want to move forward.
If you might need to press another key that requires you to let go of W.
When you let go of W with Throttle Decay on, you stop.

I'm lazy, so I don't like it. I also have space bar set as Center Legs to Torso, so I can just thumb down on it, and steer with my mouse, or look some where, tap space bar, and that's exactly where my mech is going. i don't need to worry about drifting into a rock or something.

That is the strangest thing I have read in a long time... So it has no actual strategic use in your eyes, just means your left hand can 'wander'... What about that right hand, does it feel like a mouse slave?

[1453 R]

I use a hybrid throttle solution, actually. Note: I'm using a Nostromo keypad and Naga gaming mouse, so all my control set-ups are inevitably weird. Anyways.

W and S are their normal functions. E is set to 100% throttle for those quick take-offs, and Q is set to Reverse throttle. It's...odd...but when you get used to it you can use E to ram forward, hit EQ quick-like to ram backwards, and otherwise adjust as needed with W and S, like normal.

What I want is for Piranha to redo their damn coding so decay/InstaMax throttle doesn't provide that marked acceleration boost. if W and S worked the way they were supposed to, they wouldn't have needed to introduce throttle decay in the first place.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Aetes Nakatomi, on 12 February 2016 - 11:59 AM, said:

That is the strangest thing I have read in a long time... So it has no actual strategic use in your eyes, just means your left hand can 'wander'... What about that right hand, does it feel like a mouse slave?

I don't see Throttle decay as strategic, it's an inhibitor. Why are you locking your middle finger to the keyboard? You have full stop on X, and I bound number 2 to full throttle. So I can reap the benefits of Throttle decay (which really is only the instant throttle) and I still have my hand free to press Y or T to talk, night vision, battlegrid, etc..

Right hand has jumpjets, weapon groups 1-4, arty and air strike, and uav launch. Mouse things. (logitech G500)

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 12 February 2016 - 12:19 PM.

[Boulangerie]

Without throttle decay on, you can also check battlegrid easily while traveling, type a quick message without slowing down while positioning etc.

IMO using throttle decay is having the computer do tasks for me which I'd rather do myself.

[3xnihilo]

MoonUnitBeta, on 12 February 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:

I'm lazy, so I don't like it. I also have space bar set as Center Legs to Torso, so I can just thumb down on it, and steer with my mouse, or look some where, tap space bar, and that's exactly where my mech is going. i don't need to worry about drifting into a rock or something.

Now there is an idea that sounds useful, but I might rather put center legs to torso on the mouse so I could drive with only my right hand. I wonde how many weeks it would take me to adjust to new controls.

[Aetes Nakatomi]

MoonUnitBeta, on 12 February 2016 - 12:09 PM, said:

I don't see Throttle decay as strategic, it's an inhibitor. Why are you locking your middle finger to the keyboard? You have full stop on X, and I bound number 2 to full throttle. So I can reap the benefits of Throttle decay (which really is only the instant throttle) and I still have my hand free to press Y or T to talk, night vision, battlegrid, etc..

Right hand has jumpjets, weapon groups 1-4, arty and air strike, and uav launch. Mouse things. (logitech G500)

Also rolling a G500, with a G19s and Voice attack. Perhaps that is why I have no problem with WADS since I do all the nonsense like battlegrid, target, UAV, Airstrike, Vision modes, zooming etc etc through voice.

Also I do not see decay as a strategic thing just not some hideous instant fail doom mechanic either. I always thought of it as a comfort issue, whatever you are happy with. Then people were trying to make out it is was utter stupidity to use it.

Edited by Aetes Nakatomi, 12 February 2016 - 12:42 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Aetes Nakatomi, on 12 February 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

Also rolling a G500, with a G19s and Voice attack. Perhaps that is why I have no problem with WADS since I do all the nonsense like battlegrid, target, UAV, Airstrike, Vision modes, zooming etc etc through voice.

Also I do not see decay as a strategic thing just not some hideous instant fail doom mechanic either. I always thought of it as a comfort issue, whatever you are happy with. Then people were trying to make out it is was utter stupidity to use it.

Oo voice attack, good idea. That reminds me i was going to try that too. It'd be nice to free up some things.
Yeah, if people want to use it, i don't care, it does have it's uses for light mechs, and at first I did like it for that. But once I starting doing other things with mechs, I got tired of turning it off/on all the time. And now that i've figured out how to get the same benefits out of it through other means, i'm definitely not looking back/

And yeah, people go a little overboard with stuff... I got called a noob/unskilled for having Center legs to torso bound because apparently skill is all about holding down a button.The problem is that most people don't understand. Even if you explain it very clearly. They see one thing about Throttle Decay and whoever uses it is noob or stupid. I don't see reason in needing to care about something that I don't have to. And i'm sure there's people who are fine with using throttle decay and couldn't care less about the small things, because it does mean more keybindings and just monitoring other things. It's simpler and there's nothing wrong with that.

Now, time to figure out voice attack because i hate these mouse buttons.

[Dimento Graven]

3xnihilo, on 12 February 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Do you use throttle decay and why? I am primarily a light pilot so I leave throttle decay on because it gives better acceleration/deceleration which helps maneuverability. I know a lot (most?) players turn throttle decay off on heavier mechs and I am currently working my way through some bigger mechs. I was curious if it is more advantageous to turn it off, or Is it just a personal preference?

Off, and yet I still always hold down the 'w' key anyway...

Bad mental programming.

[Moldur]

I took it off immediately when I came back to the game and it had been implemented. I don't know why they put it in to begin with. It seems like a huge hindrance.

Edited by Moldur, 12 February 2016 - 01:42 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

3xnihilo, on 12 February 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

Now there is an idea that sounds useful, but I might rather put center legs to torso on the mouse so I could drive with only my right hand. I wonde how many weeks it would take me to adjust to new controls.

Shouldn't take long! It's a handy feature.
A couple tips:

• - Center Legs to Torso STOPS CENTERING when your legs match your torso, or rather, when you move your torso to match your legs
  
• - You do not need to hold down the Center Legs to Torso button for it to work, you only need to tap it. (If you want it to continually center itself, when you want to steer with your mouse for instance, then you will need to hold it down)
  
• - It can be useful to aid in circle strafing. To see what I mean: Torso twist as far as possible to the left > Press the center legs to torso > Now keep moving your torso left. As you do this, hold down Throttle and move forward, and practice letting the Center Legs steer the circle for you as you focus on your target. This makes circle strafing smoother because you don't have to readjust your aim every time you press A or D to run around your target.
  
• - Get used to tapping the button, and not holding it down. The whole point behind it is so you can let it do the turning for you. If you're just going to hold down the button, you might as well just be using A or D. When you get used to tapping the key, you'll start to see the benefits of manual and automatic steering, and where/when to use them.
  
• - Manually turning (A or D) while your legs are centering will CANCEL the auto Center.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 12 February 2016 - 02:04 PM.

[3xnihilo]

MoonUnitBeta, on 12 February 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

Shouldn't take long! It's a handy feature.
A couple tips:

• - Center Legs to Torso STOPS CENTERING when your legs match your torso, or rather, when you move your torso to match your legs
  
• - You do not need to hold down the Center Legs to Torso button for it to work, you only need to tap it. (If you want it to continually center itself, when you want to steer with your mouse for instance, then you will need to hold it down)
  
• - It can be useful to aid in circle strafing. To see what I mean: Torso twist as far as possible to the left > Press the center legs to torso > Now keep moving your torso left. As you do this, hold down Throttle and move forward, and practice letting the Center Legs steer the circle for you as you focus on your target. This makes circle strafing smoother because you don't have to readjust your aim every time you press A or D to run around your target.
  
• - Get used to tapping the button, and not holding it down. The whole point behind it is so you can let it do the turning for you. If you're just going to hold down the button, you might as well just be using A or D. When you get used to tapping the key, you'll start to see the benefits of manual and automatic steering, and where/when to use them.
  
• - Manually turning (A or D) while your legs are centering will CANCEL the auto Center.

I am definitely going to have to give this a try.

[Y E O N N E]

Boulangerie, on 12 February 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Without throttle decay on, you can also check battlegrid easily while traveling, type a quick message without slowing down while positioning etc.

IMO using throttle decay is having the computer do tasks for me which I'd rather do myself.

My god, do you people not realize that the NUM PAD is a thing? Smack zero, type away, resume full and explicit control by tapping W and re-entering decay mode.

[Sandpit]

I leave it off because that's what is intuitive to me. I set the throttle and worry more about left to right movement than forward reverse, until forward reverse becomes a concern. Holding down the throttle is just one more thing I have to be mindful of when trying to process and many times relay as much information as possible in as little time as possible.

Not having to worry about taking my finger off the throttle if I have to type messages

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Throttle decay is just another thing they added to make MWO close to COD: Mechs.

On Topic: No if you're a light mech, keep it turned off. You can poke and alpha so fast that the "trade off" of having "less firepower" becomes a joke you laugh about as you flat out over power assault mechs.

[Mcgral18]

Used to go Decay off, press Num 0 and go off shooting robots.

Then PGI broke the accel/decel, and playing the occasional light, I had to start using Decay (but W=100% throttle)
Generally works the same way, aside from peeking...that's just 100% to 0%, which isn't ideal.

Did they ever get around to fixing that? Going from 100% throttle to 0% (pressing X) went from instant, to a linear decrease, while Throttle Decay stayed instant. An annoying change (if not only because they are different behaviours)

The Atlas Overlord, on 13 February 2016 - 12:23 AM, said:

Throttle decay is just another thing they added to make MWO close to COD: Mechs.

On Topic: No if you're a light mech, keep it turned off. You can poke and alpha so fast that the "trade off" of having "less firepower" becomes a joke you laugh about as you flat out over power assault mechs.

This nugget of wisdom brought to you by:
Tier 4

Where a mech which can be cripped in one solid alpha is OP.
With the efficiency nerfs, you can't poke against anything safely. Without 50+% quirks, that is.

[RoboPatton]

I have it off. Ive gotten too used to a throttle. Hit "x" a lot. Still find myself hammering down the "w" at max throttle tho. It's like orks with "red unz' go fasta!" Mentality.

"Hold'n down da duble-ya is fasta!"

[Ultimax]

Throttle decay basically replicates the movement I've used in pretty much every other game I've ever played - I don't even notice having to hold the W down.

[LordNothing]

i like my thottle analog thank you. position indicates how fast you go. you can pull the thing back in an instant and your backing off as fast as the mech can. its kind of hard to find center for when a uav needs to be shot down, since my throttle doesnt have any detents. but thats ok it still works pretty well.

dont worry i still aim with a mouse (and i steer with pedals).

Edited by LordNothing, 13 February 2016 - 09:26 AM.

[3xnihilo]

RoboPatton, on 13 February 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

I have it off. Ive gotten too used to a throttle. Hit "x" a lot. Still find myself hammering down the "w" at max throttle tho. It's like orks with "red unz' go fasta!" Mentality.

"Hold'n down da duble-ya is fasta!"

This is exactly the kind of thing I would do