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[SgtMagor]

dont think i would use an lrm20 on a assault, lrm10, lrm5 if you can load 2 or more, faster recycle will deter mechs from trying to close the distance, and keep those snipers from getting a LOS on you.

[Deathlike]

I'm not going to tell you how to build your Atlas, but you'll never truly get better with that chassis... because it's easy cannon fodder at higher levels of play.

If you really have to use LRMs, there are many better chassis for that (Griffin being one of them). Most people wouldn't care at that point.

[pbiggz]

Over 100 replies, most of them telling the OP he is bad (which he is). If that doesn't convince OP to change his ways, nothing on this earth will.

[FupDup]

pbiggz, on 14 February 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

Over 100 replies, most of them telling the OP he is bad (which he is). If that doesn't convince OP to change his ways, nothing on this earth will.

[pyrocomp]

pbiggz, on 14 February 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

Over 100 replies, most of them telling the OP he is bad (which he is). If that doesn't convince OP to change his ways, nothing on this earth will.

Most of the posts say OPs buid is ok wit ha tweak or two, count better.

[XX Sulla XX]

People keep saying things because you confuse doing some random damage and not using your armor to help the team early when it needs it with doing well. The Atlas and its huge tanking ability is a great asset in matches. An Atlas that stands way way way in the back and spread damage around (Your KDR tends to confirm this.) is by and large wasting an Atlases best strength. Yes you do take damage but its at the end of matches when it to late to help.

That being said your welcome to bring what ever you like just do not be surprised if people call you out on it now and then.

As a side note if you like bringing LRMs and long range mechs there are many smaller mechs that do it better and do not tie up 100 tons.

[Aresye]

Another fine example for why PGI needs to have separate casual vs. ranked queues.

[ScarecrowES]

I worry, too, about the crys of "elitism" when it's suggested the OP would be better served in another build.

For the sake of clarification, noone is telling the OP WHAT build he has to use. If someone came in here and said "OMGz, LURMS? LAZORZ or GTFO!," you might have a case here. But let's face it... the Atlas as a whole is not a particularly meta-capable mech. There are no "L33T" Atlas builds with the game in the state it's in.

That being said, bad builds are pretty easy to recognize. I haven't seen anyone say the OP MUST use a particular build... just that he should stop using the build he is and try something better, or stop trying to seek validation for it. This is not "elitism." It's purely solid advice. He'd do better in damn near anything else.

[Kuritaclan]

MeanFacedJohnny, on 14 February 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

So please, everybody, stop crying about other people's builds, and if you must say something, don't be a d*ick about it. I shouldn't have to defend my choices in this game to anyone. Especially if I'm not losing games.

I have only to say 2 thing.

If you are T5 do whatever you wanna do.

If you are T3 well PGI you did something horribly wrong, not the player.

PS: I feel with every dude who is effected by this.

[ScarecrowES]

Aresye, on 14 February 2016 - 10:47 AM, said:

Another fine example for why PGI needs to have separate casual vs. ranked queues.

No queue will ever be "casual" enough for some people. Maybe have ranked, casual, and just-don't-give-a-fudge queues.

I suspect the self professed "casuals" who bring bad builds to "have fun" only find it fun when their teammates are willing to carry them without saying anything. Otherwise they feel the need to come online and post about their bad feels when the team gets angry about having to carry the bad build.

I doubt these types would have nearly as much fun playing with 11 other players who also don't give a crap.

Edited by ScarecrowES, 14 February 2016 - 10:52 AM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Yeah, it's as if we need a seperate queue that's based on territory capture and units controlling sections of the Inner Sphere, or something.

Hrm....


(P.S. stop whining)

[MeanFacedJohnny]

XX Sulla XX, on 14 February 2016 - 10:44 AM, said:

People keep saying things because you confuse doing some random damage and not using your armor to help the team early when it needs it with doing well. The Atlas and its huge tanking ability is a great asset in matches. An Atlas that stands way way way in the back and spread damage around (Your KDR tends to confirm this.) is by and large wasting an Atlases best strength. Yes you do take damage but its at the end of matches when it to late to help.

That being said your welcome to bring what ever you like just do not be surprised if people call you out on it now and then.

As a side note if you like bringing LRMs and long range mechs there are many smaller mechs that do it better and do not tie up 100 tons.

I never said I sit back and launch lrms. I use them while I make my way to the fight. Once in the fight I can still shoot lrms at those too far away while using my ac20 and lasers to damage those close to me.

Kuritaclan, on 14 February 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

I have only to say 2 thing.

If you are T5 do whatever you wanna do.

If you are T3 well PGI you did something horribly wrong, not the player.

PS: I feel with every dude who is effected by this.

I am T3. The Atlas is a big part of what got me there.

[G3TxWr3cK3r3D]

To those that throw out the platitude, "It's a video game", it's a video game. Don't criticize people who are being critical of an objectively bad build. Based on your logic, don't open your mouth. Sword swings both ways.

What's the point of playing a game?

http://www.oxforddic...an_english/game

If your not playing a game to your strengths, to the objective of winning, then what's the point of participating? No matter what que you enter into. If your playing a build for your own pleasure, and that pleasure is not competition/winning, then don't play games. And don't expect people, who are playing to win, to not be critical of sub-par builds, play styles, etc.

As far as the Atlas is concerned, it's been addressed already here.

Play however you wish, of course. But expect a jaundiced eye to be turned upon you for sub-par builds.

[wanderer]

MeanFacedJohnny, on 14 February 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

Anyway to the point;

I got into this game because I loved the idea of customizing giant robots however I like, and battling with others who have done the same. However the past few months I can't go 3 games without someone b*tching at me for having LRM's on my AtlasD-DC. My build is 2 ER Lrg lasers, an AC 20, LRM 20, LRM 5, and ECM. It's what I have found I like best after playing this mech for 3 years. My DC (Hank) is my favorite, as well as my mainly used mech. (it's the 2nd mech I ever bought) I currently have a 1.41 W/L ratio and a 1.10 K/D ratio with it. I rarely do 'bad' with it and tend to do between 300-600 dmg a match. I know there are those with far better scores but as I have said I am a casual player and to me, staying positive is all that matters. And enjoying myself when I play.

So please, everybody, stop crying about other people's builds, and if you must say something, don't be a d*ick about it. I shouldn't have to defend my choices in this game to anyone. Especially if I'm not losing games.

Honestly, it's more a matter of tweakage.

That LRM 20 wastes a lot of your missiles on scatter, so if you swapped to an LRM 15 + LRM 10, you'd end up with more of them smacking the target. And they'd fire faster, too. Same number of missiles per salvo, better clustering.

But there's a lot of people out there who think "LRM + Atlas" is going to be that guy who sits in the back and spams missiles uselessly all day. Clearly, you don't, but it's almost a meme at this point.

If you were That Guy with LRM45 and virtually no other weapons? Then, people might have a reason to cry.

[pyrocomp]

G3TxWr3cK3r3D, on 14 February 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

What's the point of playing a game?

http://www.oxforddic...an_english/game

It is a definition of what is a game (and many video games are not games by that definition) but does not cover a motivation. Then check for 'handicap'. And there we will get into a philosophical aspects of different nuances and meanings of 'a game' in different languges and cultures. I'll pass.

[VinJade]

The way I see it the Atlas is fine as long as the player enjoys the game and the LRMs like on the King Crab has always been there to soften the enemy up while closing range so they can bring their hole puncher into range..

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Frankly, I'm of the growing opinion that both extremes of this argument are increasingly full of scrap.

Modify builds. Any build you can make, you can tweak. More ammo. Less ammo. Larger engine. Smaller engine. XL and SHS. Standard engine and DHS. Endo steel for tonnage. Standard structure for space. LB-X supporting laser/ppc primary weapons. Medium or small lasers supporting high-damage autocannon.

Swap mediums for small pulse. Swap large pulse for PPC. Whatever.

Find something that you do well in, and then keep adjusting it to mesh better with it until any changes make your performance worse. This might be a 'meta' thing (for current common-use value of 'meta'), but it might not.




But most importantly, just like there is more than one way to build a 'mech, there is more than one way to have fun.

Some people only have fun when they win. This doesn't make them 'wrong' for wanting to win. They can be wrong about how they express this desire, devaluing others for not enjoying things the same way or degrading them for daring to have a different opinion, but the perception of 'fun' as 'winning' is not wrong.

Some people have fun trying things. This doesn't mean they 'don't want to win' or 'don't want to get better', it means that they derive their enjoyment from the process instead of the result. They arent 'wrong' for caring more about how they play than about whether or not they win. They can be wrong about how they express this interest, declaring that those who enjoy winning 'don't care about fun' or deriding the fact that they depend more on hard numbers and results than the experience to determine if something is 'good' or not, but the perception of 'fun' as 'doing something interesting whether or not it succeeds' is not wrong either.

I find it disturbing and aggravating that people so easily polarize themselves, though. When you set up your opinion of what is fun for you as a fact of what is good for everyone, you're making yourself into a caricature. It makes you difficult to respect, it turns your arguments into attacks, and your preferences into arrogance.



TL;DR: Pacify thine mammaries, people. Please stop attacking each other and talking like your opinion about what is fun (which is a personal preference) is a fact about what is right, just, and good.

Edited by Quickdraw Crobat, 14 February 2016 - 11:15 AM.

[VinJade]

as long as you try your best, have fun, and not a Team killer then it's fine.

Would I like to win?
Yes

Do I always win?
No

But if winning is the only thing that drives people then it hurts them in the long/short run.

I play because I enjoy the game(even if I don't agree with some things PGI does) and found it annoying when I get people *****ing at me or others because they don't win.

in the end I think it comes down to those that want to t win at almost all cost are the main problem and then they whine & gripe about losing when some(most)times they are the ones whom die first.

In the end of it all, it comes down to the player who likes their build, does well with it, and have fun that matters, and no one else has a right to gripe about it.

His build is fine and doing 300+ damage is still good.

Edited by VinJade, 14 February 2016 - 11:24 AM.

[ScarecrowES]

Quickdraw Crobat, on 14 February 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

Some people have fun trying things. This doesn't mean they 'don't want to win' or 'don't want to get better', it means that they derive their enjoyment from the process instead of the result. They arent 'wrong' for caring more about how they play than about whether or not they win.

This particular line is a fundemental crux of the problem. If this were a one-on-one game, you'd be entirely justified in seeking enjoyment purely from the process and not the result. But it's not. It's a multiplayer game. There are 11 other players on your team, and chances are most of those players are playing to win. As you said, winning is not the ENTIRE source of enjoyment derived herein. If a player isn't enjoying the process, then the result will be pointless.

However... the enjoyment of the process should NEVER come as a detriment to the result. Whether or not you derive a large percentage of your enjoyment from winning, you should still enter the match with the full intent to win. If you enter a match knowing you're intending to do so merely for your own enjoyment, and damn the result... that's merely selfish on your part. You're harming the enjoyment of the process and result for 11 other people.

I think a lot of the ire you see in this thread stems from the idea that one player's enjoyment somehow trumps the enjoyment of the other 11.

[Kumakichi]

Play how you enjoy playing and have a thick skin ignore the dweebs that will try to rain on your parade. You like the Atlas and have been playing long enough to have figured out your style.