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[No Brakes On The Syrup Train]

Is refusing to participate in a drop ship camp considered non participation? i am personally totally against drop ship camping, and numerous times, larger unit drop ship camp almost immediately. if i have to call it defending the gate from those that sneak through, then sure, but can i get reported for not participating in a drop ship camp?

EDIT: and by drop ship camping i mean spawn camping, as in you just fall out of the drop ship and you are getting hit the moment you hit the ground.

Edited by No Brakes On The Syrup Train, 14 February 2016 - 06:24 PM.

[Spheroid]

How have you observed said camping if you have no faction affiliation and only joined today?

[Whatzituyah]

This is a tough question its morally right to not camp the dropships which should be an exploit but if you don't you it maybe seen as non participation. Hope someone else has a good explanation. For the guy above isn't it considered being a merc if you are a lonewolf?

Edited by Whatzituyah, 14 February 2016 - 05:10 PM.

[Deathlike]

Chances are, you are being dropship camped if you were already rolled in your first and/or second wave.

It's one of those things where the match ended much earlier than it should (because coordination is OP).

[ScarecrowES]

No Brakes On The Syrup Train, on 14 February 2016 - 05:01 PM, said:

Is refusing to participate in a drop ship camp considered non participation? i am personally totally against drop ship camping, and numerous times, larger unit drop ship camp almost immediately. if i have to call it defending the gate from those that sneak through, then sure, but can i get reported for not participating in a drop ship camp?

I don't think this counts as non-participation, and certainly PGI, even if you WERE reported, wouldn't bother to do anything about it.

The non-participation clause is intended to address individuals from going afk, or otherwise hiding during a match to prevent the enemy team reasonable access. Basically avoiding combat to deny an enemy team a reasonable conclusion to a match. Since you're not preventing access by the enemy (not intentionally hiding from them) and are generally present and participating within the spirit of the game, you can't be said to not be participating.

[MischiefSC]

Camping your drop ships is feeble as ****.

Anyone with self respect doesn't do it.

Exploiting mechanics designed to stop spawn camping to try and avoid a fight you don't believe you can win is flat out ******* feeble.

[Deathlike]

Oh.. camping dropships because the team is scared and/or probably uncoordinated?

Well... that's boring, but worse... good teams will find ways to farm you regardless.

This is all the more reason to play in a faction hub. You'll get better leadership and less cowardice (cowardice gets punished on its own).

[Kira Onime]

Spawn camping isn't going anywhere. ..... well it's not gona leave the game.
PGI might do some changes that relocate the spawn camp but it's not gona go away.

Spawn camping is typically the result of one team being that much better than the other one.

[MischiefSC]

He's not talking about spawn camping is he? I thought he was talking about people hiding under their own dropships. That's feeble as ****.

Dropship camping... there's no good option when one side totally overruns the other.

[No Brakes On The Syrup Train]

Spheroid, on 14 February 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

How have you observed said camping if you have no faction affiliation and only joined today?

Alt account

MischiefSC, on 14 February 2016 - 06:11 PM, said:

He's not talking about spawn camping is he? I thought he was talking about people hiding under their own dropships. That's feeble as ****.

Dropship camping... there's no good option when one side totally overruns the other.

no im talking about spawn camping

[MischiefSC]

Pfft. Think of it like being overrun by a better force that destroys your base. Saying they're not allowed to do so but instead are required to wait for you all to get ready, rules of Queensbury style, is just silly.

Is the other team required to give you positioning advice as well? Maybe train you not to suck so much last time? Maybe have a few players switch sides to help carry?

You get overrun, it's over. Your team got crushed. Learn where you failed, get better and move on.

[Excalabur50]

All this crap about getting spawn camped by a better team is just that it's crap, it's deliberately done and a cheap cowardly tactic which is one step above hacking as there's absolutely no skill involved in shooting players dropping from their dropship to be dead before their feet hit the ground, and then to run around saying how great you are is just pathetic.
Grow a pair and take people on legitimately and beat them fairly then have something proud to boast about.
One way to stop it is to have random spawn points cause let's face it if a dropship pilot really dropped people off in the middle of a massive amount of enemies he or she'd cop a round in the head and wouldn't be piloting jack and also don't drop players singly let the dropship get full first then drop the players together at least they'd stand a better chance than on their own.

[MischiefSC]

Excalabur50, on 14 February 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

All this crap about getting spawn camped by a better team is just that it's crap, it's deliberately done and a cheap cowardly tactic which is one step above hacking as there's absolutely no skill involved in shooting players dropping from their dropship to be dead before their feet hit the ground, and then to run around saying how great you are is just pathetic.
Grow a pair and take people on legitimately and beat them fairly then have something proud to boast about.
One way to stop it is to have random spawn points cause let's face it if a dropship pilot really dropped people off in the middle of a massive amount of enemies he or she'd cop a round in the head and wouldn't be piloting jack and also don't drop players singly let the dropship get full first then drop the players together at least they'd stand a better chance than on their own.

Except they did crush them. Normally 2 waves worth, at least. Dropships are like 4x 6 LL Stalkers with aimbots. If you're getting dropship camped you got crushed, completely, by the other team. Requiring them to step back and let the other team, that they already crushed over a couple of waves, is absurd.

Mostly it's just a matter of time. Especially if you're racing the clock to flip a world there is no point wasting time with a team that's no real threat to you.

Which is the point - if you're getting spawn camped it means the other team crushed your whole team plus had the armor left to deal with 4 X invulnerable 6ll Stalkers with aimbot .

At that point you've already lost, completely.

[Excalabur50]

I happened to me last night and what they did was as soon as they got some kills they rushed their whole team into the drop-zone and this was on the first push and then killed everyone dropping and smashed anyone trying to get back through the narrow opening to help those in the zone so like I said total cowards with no skill exploiting easy wins and the system

[MischiefSC]

Excalabur50, on 14 February 2016 - 07:39 PM, said:

I happened to me last night and what they did was as soon as they got some kills they rushed their whole team into the drop-zone and this was on the first push and then killed everyone dropping and smashed anyone trying to get back through the narrow opening to help those in the zone so like I said total cowards with no skill exploiting easy wins and the system

If you consider camping a drop zone under the dropships to be 'no skill' and 'easy wins' you should try it sometimes.

So they crushed your first wave so completely and so effectively they had enough armor left to soak the massed LL fire from the dropships and still stomp your other waves.....

That match was over in the first 5 minutes. I don't recall ever having seen that sort of absolute stomp before and I've played a truly stupid, embarrassing number of CW matches. I'm sure it can happen if it's a good team in a big hurry to flip a planet before the buzzer.

The presence of insanely OP dropships with aimbot Stalkers plastered over it in firepower still doesn't change how those matches play out. Ever. If you're not good enough to keep the other team pushed back from your drop zone not to mention Omega or the gates then you've lost. End of story. Having a little time to sip your tea and check your cravat before getting gunned down isn't doing anything but wasting time.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

So, I was on this CW drop Saturday, just before the late NA ceasefire. Bunch of us PUGs on one side, SJR on the other. And yeah, we got rolled HARD. Ended-up in my second mech dropping into a DZ on the defender side (HOLD TERRITORY) of Boreal, with their heavies just around the corner of the DZ, and they eventually pushed in. Was I mad? Nope.

A couple things to consider. 1.) Thanks to them pushing in and burning up their mechs, I (and at least a few others, I assume) made at least the minimum match score to qualify for the weekend challenge. 2.) They got the match over faster, allowing them (AND us) to get another drop in before the ceasefire. 3.) They didn't owe any of us a DAMNED thing.

I ain't mad at all. Hell, I can't blame 'em, and I kind of appreciate that they didn't punk out, burn down OMEGA with their 15-kill lead, and go camp their own DZ waiting for us PUGgles to get our crap together. Hell, they made it clear from the start that they were looking for someone else, a particular other team, that they wanted to match up against on that planet. They got one more chance at it before the night ended, we got our opportunity to qualify for the challenge, and if anything, I feel bad for THEM that they wasted 10-12 minutes on a match that was NOT the one they wanted.

To the OP's point, I can't blame you. In over a decade of online MP gaming, I've never seen a game before MWO where spawn camping was alright under any circumstances. This is a kind of unique one for me. BUT, there's justification for it sometimes. If you feel it's not really APPROPRIATE, per se, then by all means, leave that to the other 11 players on your side. IF, however, there's reason to want to get it all over quickly, like a pending ceasefire or farming score for a challenge event, then you may as well go ahead and get in on it. I'd damned sure NOT report you non-participant simply for not taking part in a spawn camp, though. It's fine by me either way.

JUST a game, yo. Just a game...

[Triordinant]

Don't like spawncamping? Don't play a game mode that has respawns.

[Warlord Derek Smart Kerensky]

Sound like someone is getting mad because his PUG team could not work as a team and got steamrolled.

In CW if your team is so bad that you can't keep us from getting to your drop ship area then you deserve to get wasted. Why should we have to wait for your disorganised team to filter in one by one over a 30 minute period. If you can't coordinate and play as a team then stick to quick matches.

It's may be harsh, but it's the truth. CW is for people who can take getting their teeth kicked in once in a while. God knows I have been on the reviving end a few times myself.

[Aresye]

Excalabur50, on 14 February 2016 - 07:39 PM, said:

I happened to me last night and what they did was as soon as they got some kills they rushed their whole team into the drop-zone and this was on the first push and then killed everyone dropping and smashed anyone trying to get back through the narrow opening to help those in the zone so like I said total cowards with no skill exploiting easy wins and the system

If that's the case, then at least half your team (or more) was comprised of players who shouldn't even be CONSIDERING CW in the first place.

Let's talk about the level of failure here...

Your team not only was incapable of stopping their first wave, but you failed to do even moderate damage to them. Then, while having a near constant presence of an extra 6 invincible players with CT aimbots, you STILL couldn't finish off their original 12 mechs.

It's like a 48-0 match. It represents such a horrendous breakdown in teamwork that theoretically it shouldn't even happen, yet I've been on the giving end of four separate 48-0 games. One of which was against an 8man group.

I've also been stomped and spawn camped many times before, but even on the absolute worst stomps, I've still managed to put down at least a lance of mechs on the enemy team, and pull anywhere from 1000-2000 damage.

Fact of the matter is, if you're being spawn camped, that means there's players on your team (you might be one of them) that don't belong in CW. Simple as that.

[Doman Hugin]

Ah! the seal clubbing l33t's defending their rights again.

How are they ment to "get good" if their mechs die before hitting the ground.

Try giving them at least a token fight so they can learn, but you l33t's don't want that do you?