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[Ted Wayz]

This event is now over.

So let's take a look at the numbers. Population based on a minimum score.

RFL-3N and 3N(s)- 2400 exact.

RFL-5D- 2235. But since you had to buy the basic package to get the 3N(s) then at least 2400 were sold.

RFL-LK- 1576.

In the Warhammer leaderboard event with a non minimum score the population was 3167. Note the exact same non minimum score yielded a population of 438 for the Orion IIc in the Holiday leaderboard event.

Now to the scores.

RFL-3N: Top- 3570 50th- 2313 RFL-3C: Top- 3102 50th- 2147

RFL-5D: Top- 3521 50th- 2080 RFL-LK: Top- 3669 50th- 2188

Scores were no comparison to Warhammer, a 70 ton mech with much higher scores. Closer to the MAD-5M and JR7-IIC in the watered down Holiday leaderboard event.

Next up the Archer.

[Deathlike]

To be fair...

The IIC event has 4 chassis+multiple variants involved AT THE SAME TIME.

Some variants are better than others and some scores are little affected by the luck of the draw (teammates+opponents - to a degree).

[Felicitatem Parco]

It's a 60 ton Mech... So it had a lower score than the 70ton and 75 ton Mechs with the stronger Lore/TT/Nostalgia following and, thus, more paying accounts to participate...

Seems right.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Given that you need the $20 basic pack +$15 for the hero.

So they made roughly $55,160 on just the rifleman LK hero mech alone?
Who knows how many packs they actually sold though.

Not bad.

Edited by Mister D, 22 February 2016 - 06:54 PM.

[DaZur]

Your presumptions of playerbase derived by a narrow sample of Rifleman investors does not a qualified hypothesis make.

This would be like me inferring there are 94 blue cars in the state of Wisconsin because that's the total I counted while sitting on my front porch over the course of a weekend...

Please tell me you have other hobbies?

Edited by DaZur, 22 February 2016 - 06:59 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

Deathlike, on 22 February 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:

To be fair...

The IIC event has 4 chassis+multiple variants involved AT THE SAME TIME.

Some variants are better than others and some scores are little affected by the luck of the draw (teammates+opponents - to a degree).

Actually it was many more. There were also the Marauders and the Steam mechs in the event.

Prosperity Park, on 22 February 2016 - 06:43 PM, said:

It's a 60 ton Mech... So it had a lower score than the 70ton and 75 ton Mechs with the stronger Lore/TT/Nostalgia following and, thus, more paying accounts to participate...

Seems right.

The Jenner IIc is a 70 or 75 ton mech?

But being close to the MAD-5M? Say what you will but that is pretty darn good.

[Ted Wayz]

DaZur, on 22 February 2016 - 06:57 PM, said:

Your presumptions of playerbase derived by a narrow sample of Rifleman investors does not a qualified hypothesis make.

This would be like me inferring there are 94 blue cars in the state of Wisconsin because that's the total I counted while sitting on my front porch over the course of a weekend...

Please tell me you have other hobbies?

Could you quote the hypothesis in this post? Or are you just trying to be clever?

Mister D, on 22 February 2016 - 06:51 PM, said:

Given that you need the $20 basic pack +$15 for the hero.

So they made roughly $55,160 on just the rifleman LK hero mech alone?
Who knows how many packs they actually sold though.

Not bad.

So at one pack a month how many salaries and overhead does that cover? This might help.

http://www.gamasutra...ysurvey2014.pdf

Edited by Ted Wayz, 22 February 2016 - 07:27 PM.

[Kyynele]

The current leaderboard formula greatly emphasizes solo kills.

One solo kill is worth a total of 50 points (solo kill + KMDD), the same as doing 750 damage. Getting 3 solo kills is worth the same as doing 2250 damage, which of course isn't even possible in a typical match. Every time you get KMDD, but miss the killshot, you have to deal an extra 450 damage to compensate for that loss in points.

So, comparing the match scores mainly indicates the mechs' relative ability to secure the kill shot of enemies they've dealt the most damage to. Rifleman is an ok mech, but definitely not the best mech in game for this specific task. Solo sneaking for ninja kills isn't smart in it, and it doesn't alpha as hard as the bigger mechs. It has no problems dealing a ton of damage and getting kills, but those by themselves don't really matter for the tournament scores.

As a sidenote, I wish PGI would just use the same formula for the ingame match scores and tournament scores. The match score as it is means absolutely nothing, and it's beyond stupid that after a match I actually had to use a calculator to see if a match went well regarding the tournament or not.

Edited by Kyynele, 22 February 2016 - 07:51 PM.

[DaZur]

Ted Wayz, on 22 February 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

Could you quote the hypothesis in this post? Or are you just trying to be clever?

Your second sentence opens with the inference of "Population based on a minimum score"... Sadly you never actually get around to your postulation based on this premise. That said, knowing your angle from previous posts on this topic, you sir are the one trying to clever.

[Volthorne]

Kyynele, on 22 February 2016 - 07:48 PM, said:

One solo kill is worth a total of 50 points (solo kill + KMDD), the same as doing 750 damage

Not quite, you forgot to add in the extra 10 points from Killing Blow in there, making a single Solo Kill worth 900 points of damage (SK (30) + KMDD (20) + KB (10) = 60 = 900/15). Before team damage. Boy, was there quite a bit of that this weekend too....

[Ted Wayz]

DaZur, on 22 February 2016 - 08:49 PM, said:

Your second sentence opens with the inference of "Population based on a minimum score"... Sadly you never actually get around to your postulation based on this premise. That said, knowing your angle from previous posts on this topic, you sir are the one trying to clever.

It is called letting people derive their own conclusion based upon the information provided. You are inferencing and trying to add subject matter to this post that is not there. Nor will it be put there by me.

So please draw your own conclusions.

[Ted Wayz]

Volthorne, on 22 February 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

Not quite, you forgot to add in the extra 10 points from Killing Blow in there, making a single Solo Kill worth 900 points of damage (SK (30) + KMDD (20) + KB (10) = 60 = 900/15). Before team damage. Boy, was there quite a bit of that this weekend too....

Had one match in the 3C with 4 kills, 3 of them solo. Two of the three were Rifleman. Had another match 3 kills and 3 assists but 5 kills most damage. If I had more ammo though, oh the scores this mech could put up in these meager hands.

My last match was 5 kills and one assist, but only 420 damage. Dual AC10's can finish mechs. But I wasn't even the best 3C in the match. Some guy Onuris (?) put up 4 kills 3 assists and like 860 damage. Surprised not to see them on the leaderboard.

My experience was you could have good matches, but it was also possible to have matches that ended quick.

[Kyynele]

Volthorne, on 22 February 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

Not quite, you forgot to add in the extra 10 points from Killing Blow in there, making a single Solo Kill worth 900 points of damage (SK (30) + KMDD (20) + KB (10) = 60 = 900/15). Before team damage. Boy, was there quite a bit of that this weekend too....

You are of course correct. I didn't count in the 10 points from killing blow, because I was thinking about the kill/assist = 10 points being a separate mechanic that requires you to scratch every enemy to get points, and those are only hard to get if your team fights on multiple fronts at the same time. These 10 points per scratched enemy are pretty much guaranteed if your team wins, and getting these 10 points doesn't mean you were one shot short of getting the 60 points jackpot.

My personal best in the tournament was a 398 point match. I had several matches I personally considered better with more damage or kills, but in a tournament, all kills just aren't equal. You have to get the right kills.