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[Rkshz]

h1 guyz
I'm interested the question:

What da **** happening last month with Tier 1 balance?
Just look matchscores and dmg my teams on this screenshots, to understand what I mean:

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or

I can show such results every fifth game and these games happen frequently in February
I do not want to play with Tier 3 - they dont have experience and they dont want a good game with Tier 1

PGI plsssssss just make the Tier 1-10, and we all have good games and nice feelings!!!

[STEF_]

1) tier system is a bland way to regroup pilots. More a grind than a skill factor

2) being so, everyone (well, quite everyone) can reach tier 1-2-3

3) when valves open, you can play even with tier 4 (not sure, but maybe even with tier 5)

[Ultimax]

Being T1 means that outside of times of high population most of your matches will be filled with a lot of T3s and some T2s and a tiny amount of T1s.


The average PSR for each team will be close, but that doesn't actually mean the teams are balanced.

[Mcgral18]

I don't like half the team failing to breach 200 damage the majority of the time.

Right now, it's just praying to RNGeesus and the MatchMaker that your team has fewer Terribads than the other team.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Is this another one of those Tier3 players are bad threads?
Or is it a Matchmaker can't build equal teams threads?

We have plenty of both.

[Ultimax]

Prosperity Park, on 23 February 2016 - 10:08 AM, said:

Is this another one of those Tier3 players are bad threads?
Or is it a Matchmaker can't build equal teams threads?

We have plenty of both.

I wouldn't care about what T3 guys are doing but Russ has specifically said the MM is still a bit wide for faster matches and feels more people prefer that.

I'd rather wait personally for tighter skill distribution, and this would beneficial for all tiers from a game enjoyment standpoint.

[Felbombling]

Rakshaz, on 23 February 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

I do not want to play with Tier 3 - they dont have experience and they dont want a good game with Tier 1

The lowly tier 3 players are indeed looking for crappy games against tier 1 players. You nailed it!

Edited by StaggerCheck, 23 February 2016 - 10:21 AM.

[MrMadguy]

As I said, it's becoming harder and harder to explain, why current MM is terrible, cuz thread about it pop up every day. Please, read this thread - everything is explained there.

[Monkey Lover]

Half the "solo players" in tier2-1 got there by spamming lrms and camp sniping. Good teams will push when they have the numbers and the other team will get focus fired. I dont see rolls stopping any time soon.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 23 February 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

It is about that time bads XP bars are getting up to tier 1. The longer down the road the more that will reach tier 1, it is only a matter of time. Tiers do not = skill.

However, rolls are part of the game since a numbers advantage is exponential %60 of the time all the time.

Edited by GRiPSViGiL, 23 February 2016 - 10:24 AM.

[Sandpit]

Tier system is just ladder ranking system.

With that said, OP, if you only want to play with "good" players, then start up a private match and be selective about who you invite, otherwise welcome to online multiplayer team-based gaming.

[Vashramire]

Just sacrifice a Locust to RNGeesus everyday like I do and your matches will suddenly be filled with T1 players.

[Xavori]

Sandpit, on 23 February 2016 - 10:25 AM, said:

Tier system is just ladder ranking system.

With that said, OP, if you only want to play with "good" players, then start up a private match and be selective about who you invite, otherwise welcome to online multiplayer team-based gaming.

Except the PSR is FUBAR and it seems people are happy with this SNAFU in the MM which the OP is complaining about. Just because you want to FIDO doesn't mean the rest of us are willing to ******.

Edit: ROFLMAO...it let me use all of them but the last, and the last is prolly the most obscure

Edited by Xavori, 23 February 2016 - 10:49 AM.

[Sandpit]

Xavori, on 23 February 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

Except the PSR is FUBAR and it seems people are happy with this SNAFU in the MM which the OP is complaining about. Just because you want to FIDO doesn't mean the rest of us are willing to ******.

Edit: ROFLMAO...it let me use all of them but the last, and the last is prolly the most obscure

Regardless, it does help separate players into some semblance of a ranking system to help keep players closer to others in their relative skill area.

If they really want to break players up into skill levels, they need to use a system more similar to what Blizz does with SC2 in my opinion.
The cadet bonus period is used to determine your PSR starting rank. You're placed according to that, then you move from there based on your performance. W/L factor needs to be toned down, more emphasis placed on individual match score, and go from there.

Please keep the "If YOU want to" stuff out of it, I've not said anything in regards to my personal opinion of the PSR system, I'm merely pointing out what I think would help improve it.

[Revis Volek]

Dont think the MM is working wrong or anything, i just dont think you all fully understand the skill gap that can exist between a t1 and a t3 and how much it varies from player to player.

Tiers still aren't a great system currently, better then ELO but still not perfect at all.

Edited by Revis Volek, 23 February 2016 - 12:01 PM.

[Sandpit]

Revis Volek, on 23 February 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Dont think the MM is working wrong or anything, i just dont think you all fully understand the skill gap that can exist between a t1 and a t3 and how much it varies from player to player.

Tiers still aren't a great system currently, better then ELO but still not perfect at all.

The OP is complaining that he's "saddled" with "bad" players

In other words, "I'm elite and should only be teamed with other "elite" pilots"

[627]

I really came to the conclusion that half of all tier 1 players just grinded their way up to top tier without having any deeper knowledge or better skills that the average player.

[Kuritaclan]

Sandpit, on 23 February 2016 - 11:53 AM, said:

Regardless, it does help separate players into some semblance of a ranking system to help keep players closer to others in their relative skill area.

Well separated is a strong word. Not the current System. There are only three categories. Terribad (fives which stay fives unless they actually start to try to get better), those in transition and those who reached one. So it is better to say it does not separate or neither categorize into different skill levels it just divides into those who jump over the hurdle and those who don't.

MrMadguy, on 23 February 2016 - 10:21 AM, said:

As I said, it's becoming harder and harder to explain, why current MM is terrible, cuz thread about it pop up every day. Please, read this thread - everything is explained there.

Your system only raise the bar. It isn't a better system than this what we have now. You are still wrong. You are planting your seed everywhere. Humm. And the first attempt doesn't convinced. http://mwomercs.com/...-make-psr-fair/

Edited by Kuritaclan, 23 February 2016 - 01:27 PM.

[Chuck Jager]

Revis Volek, on 23 February 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Dont think the MM is working wrong or anything, i just dont think you all fully understand the skill gap that can exist between a t1 and a t3 and how much it varies from player to player.

Tiers still aren't a great system currently, better then ELO but still not perfect at all.

This makes it so the team with the most alt accounts can more easily win if the other team has the true lower skilled t3's. It is pretty easy to stay in t3 if you do not play group Q or stick with CW (still no tier moving I think)

[Sandpit]

Kuritaclan, on 23 February 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

Well separated is a strong word. Not the current System. There are only three categories. Terribad (fives which stay fives unless they actually start to try to get better), those in transition and those who reached one. So it is better to say it does not separate or neither categorize into different skill levels it just divides into those who jump over the hurdle and those who don't.

so you assume anyone in Tier 5 is "terribad"

No, it separates. Last time I checked it's impossible for a Tier 5 to be dropped into a game with a Tier 1.
That's separation