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[the punk who stole your thunder]

GRiPSViGiL, on 24 February 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:

OP is a douche dictator. If there is time on the clock you are more than allowed to use it and it shouldn't matter what the odds are.

This.

If i don't want to watch the end i just quit the match, jump into another mech and head out for the next battle ... i am not even wasting precious time to "complain"

[JC Daxion]

this is the way i look at it..

If i'm in any mech, and i am the last one left.. and especially if i know other mechs are near cored, i will keep playing. Find better positioning, try to out range them, or ambush a lone guy ext...

If you don't want to wait, feel free to exit the match, and grab another mech, and launch a new game.. I have been called out a bunch of times, while still playing.. One time some guy started crying that i moved to the turrets, that just happened to be 200m away from my location. Calling me a scared little commando and other things i could not post with out getting banned. I ended up taking down one, before i died and almost a second!

But EVERY match i play i wait till the end, no matter if i die first, or last. I help people, call out targets, hop around, call out open torso's or other points of weakness. I have watched people play more hours than i can count.. So when i still play and your dead.. deal with it!


The only time to call out a target is after match is over and the only one left is DC. And trust me, i have seen more than my fair share of hiders.. but i find it more fun to joke and kid with the other people in the match for their lame play.. Nothing nasty or to get me reported... though from time to time they can surprise you and end up pulling of some kills.. which always is a plus.

The one that makes me rage though, are the ones that hide and are out of ammo.. May a Pox be stricken on their house!

Edited by JC Daxion, 25 February 2016 - 01:14 AM.

[Moldur]

The problem is it is subjective as to when they have a chance.

"Hey, who coulda guessed? I thought I could win that 1 v 6!"

and sometimes, hell. They're right. They could've won that 1 v 6.

I had one match where I was the last guy and tore through 4 mechs like an angry god before the last guy put me down, but hey if I'd messed up and died to a 1 v 5 after running around, would it be breaking CoC?

Edited by Moldur, 25 February 2016 - 01:27 AM.

[Jehofi]

Laggy Luke, on 25 February 2016 - 12:00 AM, said:

This.

If i don't want to watch the end i just quit the match, jump into another mech and head out for the next battle ... i am not even wasting precious time to "complain"

And what about the 12 enemy players that have to wait out the time, do they not count as fellow players?
It is not about preserving the KDR or being forced to mindlessly run into the enemy. This is about GRIEFING other players.

It simply states "Don't be an a**h**e!"

Edited by Jehofi, 25 February 2016 - 04:35 AM.

[MrMadguy]

GRiPSViGiL, on 24 February 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:

OP is a douche dictator. If there is time on the clock you are more than allowed to use it and it shouldn't matter what the odds are.

How about enemy players, that are still in game? COC forbids them to just disconnect and jump into next match. Also they'll lose their rewards and will get queue penalty, if they'll do it, as I know. You are actually provoking them on violation of COC. It falls under following COC rule:

GRIEFING

• Taunting, baiting, or otherwise encouraging players to violate the Code of Conduct.

[Tarogato]

Ethak, on 24 February 2016 - 01:53 PM, said:

Here is an exerpt of the MWO Code of Conduct (Yes, it applies to you too!)

So next time you draw out a match for no reason that will not make you win, don't be offended when someone reports you as AFK. Because it's the right thing to do.

People's Exhibit A

I piloted a light mech. I was the last survivor. There was almost no possibility of winning. I drew out the match for an extra five minutes. FIVE MINUTES! That's a lot of wasted time, right?

You be the judge:

[the punk who stole your thunder]

Jehofi, on 25 February 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

And what about the 12 enemy players that have to wait out the time, do they not count as fellow players?
It is not about preserving the KDR or being forced to mindlessly run into the enemy. This is about GRIEVING other players.

It simply states "Don't be an a**h**e!"

As stated in previous posts in this thread there often is a difference between just feeling being grieved and actually being grieved by the "last light standing".

If the behaviour of the "last light standing" is against the TOS than report, if not you can either a) whine and/or rage, b ) watch the search&destroy or c) just quit and head over to the next battle.

Thats my point of view about this topic - btw: if i am the "last light standing" i mostly override and jump into the enemy where the have the chance to down my before i die from overheating.

But that just what i prefer to do. Other people prefer to hide for a few moments, let the enemy disperse and than try to kill some of the lonly wanderers ... different style - most of the time i myself don't have the patience for doing that. But i am not other people ....

Edited by Laggy Luke, 25 February 2016 - 03:39 AM.

[oldradagast]

Laggy Luke, on 25 February 2016 - 12:00 AM, said:

This.

If i don't want to watch the end i just quit the match, jump into another mech and head out for the next battle ... i am not even wasting precious time to "complain"

Except when the useless light (or any other mech) that feels that running around for 10 minutes, skirting the map's edge while looking for a way to get out of bounds, is tying up the mech you're trying to level. So, yes, this arrogant twerp behavior does matter. It ties down at least one person on the enemy team to secure the victory, and it locks down everyone's mech, delaying leveling. All so some snot-nosed troll can annoy 23 other people for 10 minutes. Sorry, but that's not acceptable behavior.

Edited by oldradagast, 25 February 2016 - 04:22 AM.

[MrMadguy]

I want to remind you, that according to COC winning team isn't obligated to chase this Light - they have a right to stay together at safe place and secure their win. It's up to this Light to engage with them. And avoiding engaging with other team - is against COC. Also, when he is hiding - you can't know for sure, if he is active or not and you can't rely on what he and his team say - they are enemies and it's in their interests to misinform you.

So I have to offer you a simple suggestion: don't try to pursue or search for last Light standing - stay together and if he won't show within one minute - whole team should report him for Non-Participation -> AFK. It also will be great, if enemy team will be adequate enough to do it too. More players will report him - bigger the chance, that he will be banned. PGI refuses to do something about this griefing - we have to resist this plague by ourselves.

Edited by MrMadguy, 25 February 2016 - 05:52 AM.

[Aleski]

When i am in my light and i am the last one in battle, i always do this :

Run to the ennemy blob and scream "BANZAIIIIII" while performing an Alpha strike !!!!!

I instantly die, but well. It's so fun !

If it's a light with JJ, i do the same but i perform a Death From Above !


I just can't hide myself. Come on lights pilot, f**k the KDR =)

[the punk who stole your thunder]

oldradagast, on 25 February 2016 - 04:22 AM, said:

Except when the useless light (or any other mech) that feels that running around for 10 minutes, skirting the map's edge while looking for a way to get out of bounds, [ ... ]. Sorry, but that's not acceptable behavior.

Afaik that behaviour is against the TOS because of non-participation or suiciding. And i agree that it is annoying.

BUT

Once upona time i hat the following situation:

Winning or just not loosing

TlL;DR: Skirmish - one last light (me) - victory was not possible but a draw aka not a defeat.

Is going for a draw non-participation?

But i agree that all in all watching a painful long and slow death or searching the map can be really annoying, but is not always rooted in a violation of the TOS or the "good manners". And so you sometimes have "to accept" - or better "bear" - it.

[MechWarrior5152251]

I only report your position if you really really suck at this game....

[Scout Derek]

Ethak, on 24 February 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

You misunderstood me. I'm not talking about lights only, but they are the ones that are prone to do it the most. Anyone can do it.
If you see someone being shut down in a corner, you might as well just walk away from your keyboard as you're not doing anything. At all. Hence "AFK".

Yeah, I understand that shutting down and not playing is considered AFK, but you just said in your OP Title:

Quote

Dear Last Light Mechs that Run Away

I'd recommend changing your title to "Dear Last Lights That Run And Hide" That way no one gets confused as I did, because your title says that lights are running away in a fight, but the actual post talks about them hiding and thus being AFK and violating the CoC.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mystere, on 24 February 2016 - 07:11 PM, said:

You say they're preserving their KDR. I say they're forcing you to earn the last kill.

That's cool if the guy running is at least making an effort to attack the enemy while doing it. Running for the sake of running away and hoping to hide is kind of crappy (unless it is Conquest and you are hoping to hide to win on caps).

I once saw a Spider with an ERLLaser continually run from a red CT cored Jager and a fairly healthy Storm Crow. Instead of turning around and at least killing the Jager (mind you we are all typing that the Jager is cored red and ready to go down), he kept running away without firing. Eventually (minutes later), he died from being cored in the back and the Jager lived too :/. The Spider never returned a shot. That is just crazy n o matter how you look at it.

Either way, when it happens, I generally get up and use the bathroom or grab a drink. If it still is going on and I am that impatient, I leave the game and grab another mech. Like others said, it is your time and you are alive, do what you want. Still, blatant padding of KDR by hiding is kind of lame. You should make it interesting, and if your KDR is truly deserved, it will be good without having to pad it all the time.

Still, even I had to be like WTF with that Spider.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 25 February 2016 - 07:53 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

I know of a few players who do this chronically...

I will not name any names. But I see them do it EVERY DAMN GAME.

[GRiPSViGiL]

MrMadguy, on 25 February 2016 - 02:25 AM, said:

How about enemy players, that are still in game? COC forbids them to just disconnect and jump into next match. Also they'll lose their rewards and will get queue penalty, if they'll do it, as I know. You are actually provoking them on violation of COC. It falls under following COC rule:

GRIEFING

• Taunting, baiting, or otherwise encouraging players to violate the Code of Conduct.

Is this a serious question because the answer is obvious for anyone that understands how the matches end? Anyone left alive should be hunting down the last mech. What moron would leave the match early losing rewards and taking penalty because they are to stupid or lazy to try and find the last mech without being told his coords by people committing treason because they are an impatient dolt? Even if the outcome is obvious that the last mech probably can't pull the victory that doesn't mean he should sacrifice himself to the enemy for 23 people he probably doesn't even know.

It is irrelevant what the last mech is doing aside from being shutdown and disconnected. If there was 8 mins on the clock and the last mech decided to shutdown for 4 mins to then use the remaining 4 mins to try and set up a favorable encounter with the enemy is his prerogative. 4 mins is quite a while which may cause the remaining enemies to split apart possibly allowing for a more favorable situation once he powers back up to see what he can do. That would never happen because people on the shutdown mechs team will break CoC and give his coordinates away before he could even explain himself. Not that he even should have to explain himself but the derps who have the attention span of a gnat can't wait 15 mins even though part of the win condition is for the match to end with more live mechs.

Skirmish is the only mode this issue might even actually matter a little but even then I don't think it does because of the timer. That fact voids the CoC concerning this issue as far as I am concerned. You can't know what the last mech's intentions are unless he tells you but everyone will assume the worst and in my mind he doesn't have any obligation to tell anyone his intentions. The match ends and the team with more live mechs win. Yup, that is right they win. What a travesty the match took 15 mins huh? People know how long the timer is before they hit launch. Maybe if more people used BAP they could have found him and won sooner so this BS about grieving, while it isn't unheard of, is usually not the case as far as I have seen.

To say that the lone last mech is obligated to engage the remaining enemy mechs whether they disperse doesn't even fathom-ably make any sense what so ever and I am sure that isn't in the CoC as so. If the remaining team decided to stay huddled together not moving waiting for the light or last mech to engage they would be doing the same as non-participating as the last mech and have no right to report anything.

This issue isn't a big deal because perception of every situation will be seen 100 different ways from 100 different people but one thing is for sure that the people thinking their time is being wasted never should have hit launch if 15 mins is to long. Most of the CoC is void because of the timer alone concerning skirmish. PGI should lower the timer if the last mech is that big a deal in skirmish. The other game modes have ways to end early without the last mech even needing engaged so.

Now to actually say that I am encouraging people to break the CoC is laughable. I won't even go in on how stupid that is.

[Kuritaclan]

MrMadguy, on 25 February 2016 - 04:33 AM, said:

I want to remind you, that according to COC winning team isn't obligated to chase this Light - they have a right to stay together at safe place and secure their win. It's up to this Light to engage with them. And avoiding engaging with other team - is against COC. Also, when he is hiding - you can't know for sure, if he is active or not and you can't rely on what he and his team say - they are enemies and it's in their interests to misinform you.

So I have to offer you a simple suggestion: don't try to pursue or search for last Light standing - stay together and if he won't show within one minute - whole team should report him for Non-Participation -> AFK. It also will be great, if enemy team will be adequate enough to do it too. More players will report him - bigger the chance, that he will be banned. PGI refuses to do something about this griefing - we have to resist this plague by ourselves.

Crazy level dected.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Oh, BTW. People who pad KDR by hiding and drawing out a match are a bit douchy IMO.

BUT...People who general chat that mech's position are a real ******. Those players do need to be reported. I don't agree with hiding, but as long as you participated in match, whatever, it is what it is. If you report that person's position to the enemy though, you are violating the game rules and I have no problem reporting you to PGI.

Like I said, if it happens, just take a bathroom break or check your phone, or just give a salute or gg and leave the match.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 25 February 2016 - 07:58 AM.

[nehebkau]

1. I NEVER give out a team-mates position if they are doing the douch-bag thing and powering down / hiding somewhere. That is against the CoC and can and will get you in trouble.

2. Message the other team in all-chat with "I am sorry but {douchbag} has powered down and is hiding and I can't give you his location because it is against the CoC. Could you please report him for non-participation so his account gets a ban? I have already reported him." That all-chat post usually gets the afker/griefer to power-up and go

[Lugh]

JagdFlanker, on 24 February 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

i havn't seen a single person do this since i moved to tier 2 several months ago

there ya go - something to look forward to once you move up 1 more tier

Weird I've been in tier 2 since September(?) and I see it all the time.