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[Milocinia]

Me in a HBR-ECM on Polar: "Enemies at J9, Move H10"
Teammate on VoIP: "Team move to H10, stop NASCAR, form up"

...team continues to NASCAR around to I11.

Me: "Enemies now at H10, bring the team together!"
Teammate on VoIP: "Team form up on H10 asap!

...team continues to NASCAR past I11 to I12.

Me: "Goddammit team what the f... are you doing?"
Teammate: Stop the NASCAR and get on that HBR!

Me, the teammate and 2 other mechs get slaughtered trying to do the right thing while the team goes off on a jolly. 12 vs 8. Can we come back from 0-4 down? Don't be stupid, with a derp team like this we could have had 100 mechs and we wouldn't have won!

I'm T2 so the match would have been T1-T3. Now I'm not complaining about the matchmaker but for god f.....g sake, if you're in T3 or above go into your options and turn team chat on.

I find it hard to believe that all of the team couldn't hear our clear communication. If you reach T3 and have chat options turned off then I strenuously and strongly suggest that you uninstall immediately. Call it PUG life or whatever but even in the higher tier PUG queue you should be rolling with chat options on. If you're not, please stop making my life a misery.

Thank you.

PUG4EVA

[Aresye]

How's that "play for fun" thing coming along for ya?

[John1352]

Team chat should not be disablable (is that a word?).

Note that polar highlands has the subliminal NASCAR message hidden in the clouds, may have something to do with it.

[Milocinia]

Aresye, on 24 February 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

How's that "play for fun" thing coming along for ya?

Trying as best as I can to find the fun.

Not working right now, as much as I want to admit it is...

[Zordicron]

When they ignored the first time, you repeat it.

When they ignored the second, at that time, you abandon the plan and move as fast as possible to put the derp team mates between you and the enemy so they can be your meat shields.

That is how you keep a solid W/L in puglandia. Even the derp squad has it's uses.




Outside of that, all you can do is remind yourself its a game, the teams are random, and randomly stupid, and laugh at their futile attempts to recover from the hole they dug themselves. OR, just DC and move on to that next lulz loadout mech and jump back in! At least you know it won;t be with those same derps if they are still in that match.

[Milocinia]

They weren't even capable of killing a T5 dc.

[SQW]

Now tell us when superb team work net your team a comfortable 12-2 win.

Majority of your games will be somewhere between the two extremes. That's just how public multiplayer works.

[Metus regem]

Well if you're T2, you'll be facing T1-T4, it's +/-2 ranks....

Even srill, bads are bads no matter what the XP bar says their rank is.

[WazOfOz]

unfortunately seems to be not much team work going on in a game, that was/is touted to be a tactical & team based game.

even if your team mates are not on comms. by hitting "R" we are showing where the enemy is. even if they are out of mini map range, there is still a red triangle off in the distance..... whenever I do this however my comrades will still run the other direction.

go figure ?

[Xetelian]

I solo PUG all day
I often play in a DWF


The nascar, like caustic with its frustrating elevations and ridges make a slow mech even slower and it sometimes gets me killed.

With this in mind I try to out guess the nascar as much as possible. I am moving always, I am moving too where I think we'll be heading which is usually in the direction the lights have chosen because in PUG queue its follow the leader and the leaders are usually way ahead in light mechs or fast mediums.


Heavies are so much easier, I play them every once in a while and being able to keep pace with nascar is game winning in itself. Assaults are generally screwed, they have the most firepower and armor but Heavies have twice as many queued and mediums are often ahead of assaults. The only thing worse than an assault or lower than in queue terms, is lights. Even with god tier lights you don't get a higher than 15% light queue unless a new light is released.

[The Lost Boy]

You are assuming you team mates understand english. I never do. If they keep doing what you percieve to be the wrong thing you should just try and run with the herd and stay alive as long as possible.

[SuomiWarder]

yeah I had a group NASCARing around a big hill and was trying to tell them that the enemy was overall faster and kept catching up and picking off the last mech. I was fast enough at 90 kph or so to move back and forth along my own pack. eventually me and one other player tried to stem the tide hoping the others would turn around if a fight was happening 250 meters behind them. Nope. They kept on moving with predictable results.

[Tarogato]

Just leg them next time before they can run off. If they can only move as fast as a DWF...

[Catra Lanis]

Lemming of the BDA, on 24 February 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

You are assuming you team mates understand english. I never do. If they keep doing what you percieve to be the wrong thing you should just try and run with the herd and stay alive as long as possible.

How is it possible to be an online gamer and not understand english, at least on a basic level?

[JC Daxion]

Haha.. i had the same thing on Bog the last night.. They just kept running, and got destroyed as they chained in behind their group. Left the assaults behind, and got picked off one by one..

I just had to laugh to keep it light.. I was rewarded with most of my matches coming down to the wire though.. over all, one bad match outta i think 15 i called it a great evening!

Lemming of the BDA, on 24 February 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

You are assuming you team mates understand English. I never do. If they keep doing what you perceive to be the wrong thing you should just try and run with the herd and stay alive as long as possible.

You don't need to understand English to read

2 mechs, B4

Its the same in most western languages, and even if you only could read Arabic, or Chinese the numbers are the same, and you should beable to match a letter


that said, you are right in one thing.. if people are doing things wrong,,, yes there is right and wrong try to change your tactic.. One of my favs, is just running past them.. aka we getting flanked, they don't wanna turn to the flank.. i run past them so they take fire before they get to me. Sorta like playing a light, you get chased, and the team does not wanna ambush, pull um into the team. after that it becomes every man for themselves in PUG land..

Edited by JC Daxion, 24 February 2016 - 11:27 PM.

[Tyler Valentine]

Lemming of the BDA, on 24 February 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

You are assuming you team mates understand english. I never do. If they keep doing what you percieve to be the wrong thing you should just try and run with the herd and stay alive as long as possible.

I kept giving commands in English in a CW match last night and it felt like only 2 or 3 people were paying any attention. Realized after 5 minutes or so that the rest of the team was Russian. Americans forget there are other languages sometimes...

Not proud of it, just sayin'

[Metus regem]

Tyler Valentine, on 25 February 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

I kept giving commands in English in a CW match last night and it felt like only 2 or 3 people were paying any attention. Realized after 5 minutes or so that the rest of the team was Russian. Americans forget there are other languages sometimes...

Not proud of it, just sayin'

And that is why we need a Map Ping ability from the battle grid....

[Lyoto Machida]

Lemming of the BDA, on 24 February 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

You are assuming you team mates understand english. I never do. If they keep doing what you percieve to be the wrong thing you should just try and run with the herd and stay alive as long as possible.

Why wouldn't they understand English?

[Sandpit]

Zordicron, on 24 February 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

When they ignored the first time, you repeat it.

When they ignored the second, at that time, you abandon the plan and move as fast as possible to put the derp team mates between you and the enemy so they can be your meat shields.

That is how you keep a solid W/L in puglandia. Even the derp squad has it's uses.




Outside of that, all you can do is remind yourself its a game, the teams are random, and randomly stupid, and laugh at their futile attempts to recover from the hole they dug themselves. OR, just DC and move on to that next lulz loadout mech and jump back in! At least you know it won;t be with those same derps if they are still in that match.

Pretty solid advice

You might have a "great" strategy and plan, but if half your team doesn't want to do it, it's time to abandon it because otherwise you just wind up in a position like the OP did.

[Mawai]

Well ... this is the challenge of PUGs ...

Some of those players heard you and did not want to follow the instructions.
Some of those players heard you and disagreed with you as to the best response.
Some of those players didn't hear you at all (you can see who has VOIP enabled on the player list ... usually there are 0, 1, or 2 with that set).

Finally,

Some of those players felt the best strategy was to stay grouped with their team mates.

... as a result when a group of 8 does one thing and a group of 4 does another ... many folks stick with the majority.

... and this is the real issue ...

Is the better strategy the one to use IF it will fail without significant participation? Or is it better to ignore the better strategy when others don't adopt it and stick with the team?

The match may have been lost in any case ... but the four of you guaranteed the loss by taking a stand against a superior force rather than sticking with the team. You might have lost anyway ... you might not have ... but by calling out a plan and then stubbornly following through despite insufficient participation ... you essentially split the team and lost the match.

I'm not saying you were wrong ... you probably had an absolutely great idea where if everyone had bought in you might have won .. but when you are trying to lead a bunch of random folks, plans have to be flexible and change to fit what they are mostly doing already.

I often find that dropping a UAV that shows a bunch of opponents can get a group to turn around and head toward them ... usually the "NASCAR" is someone looking for someone to shoot with a bunch just randomly following ,,, when targets appear on the overview ... there are usually enough who change course that the blob moves in that direction.