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[Lupis Volk]

I'm thinking of getting some Clan mechs enmasse for a fresh change of pace. I was looking at the Clan wave bundles and wondering which one to get. Now i do like the more odd/bad/meta abandoned mechs, so that lead me to wave 2. from wave 2 i'd get the $120USD bundle Would that be a good purchase?

[BSK]

The Mist Lynx is really hard for beginners. Gargoyle is a good brawler, Fenris has only speed to then brawl.

Wave 3 is much better because all mechs are useful.

[Rogue Jedi]

Lupis Volk, on 01 March 2016 - 02:41 AM, said:

I'm thinking of getting some Clan mechs enmasse for a fresh change of pace. I was looking at the Clan wave bundles and wondering which one to get. Now i do like the more odd/bad/meta abandoned mechs, so that lead me to wave 2. from wave 2 i'd get the $120USD bundle Would that be a good purchase?

for that ether get the bottom half of Clans (wave 1), Kit Fox ^{(a support Mech or sniper)}, and Summoner ^{(oversized jumping medium)} are anti meta, nova (jumping laser boat) may become great after the rescale but only time will tell, Dire is top tier meta even if it is worthless in my hands due to lack of speed and agility,

or as you said Wave 2, the Hellbringer is the only popular Mech from Wave 2, the Myst Lynx suffers from lack of hardpoints and a lot of fixed equipment, the Ice Ferret has a hard point shortage, too large an engine, no Endo, no option for ECM or Jumpjets, I have been unable to make those 2 work, the HBR is great, the Gargoyle does not have enough tonnage, but is similar speed and agility to the Clan heavies and can take a lot of small weapons.

in my opinion the wave1 Mechs are not bad just unpopular but unfortunately, also in my opinion so others may disagree, the wave 2 Light and Medium are not good.

[Lupis Volk]

Hmm okay. I'm getting the Kit fox with Cbills atm.

[Lupis Volk]

I play lights alot so i'm used to a distinct lack of equipment.

[DrRedCoat]

I also like many underappreciated mechs but I just can't stand any of my wave 2 mechs. I do, however, love my Nova, Shadow Cat, Ebon Jaguar, and Masakari. If you want to get a Clan Wave pack, then I'd recommend the Wave 3 at the 3rd tier level (Arctic Cheetah, Shadow Cat, and Ebon Jaguar). The AC is ugly as sin and I hate it and everything about it but it's pretty popular. The Shadow Cat is an excellent mobile harasser. As a light pilot, you might appreciate it. The EJ has a nice, squat shape and is capable of a wide variety of loadouts.

[Lupis Volk]

DrRedCoat, on 01 March 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

I also like many underappreciated mechs but I just can't stand any of my wave 2 mechs. I do, however, love my Nova, Shadow Cat, Ebon Jaguar, and Masakari. If you want to get a Clan Wave pack, then I'd recommend the Wave 3 at the 3rd tier level (Arctic Cheetah, Shadow Cat, and Ebon Jaguar). The AC is ugly as sin and I hate it and everything about it but it's pretty popular. The Shadow Cat is an excellent mobile harasser. As a light pilot, you might appreciate it. The EJ has a nice, squat shape and is capable of a wide variety of loadouts.

Issue is i have AC's already. Clan wave 2 is the only clan wave where i have no mech from it.

if i was to do Clan wave 3 i'd just ala carte the Shadow Cat.

Edited by Lupis Volk, 01 March 2016 - 02:38 PM.

[DrRedCoat]

Lupis Volk, on 01 March 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Issue is i have AC's already. Clan wave 2 is the only clan wave where i have no mech from it.

if i was to do Clan wave 3 i'd just ala carte the Shadow Cat.

Ah, in that case, I would recommend the third tier. The Hellbringer certainly has its fans and is the best of the wave 2 mechs. When the Mist Lynx first came out, I was always losing my arms and, therefore, all my firepower before dying. I think they tried addressing the arm hitboxes somewhat but it's been so long since I've used it that I don't know if it worked. It won't be easy, but you can probably get the Mist Lynx to work.
I've heard tales of success with the Ice Ferret but never experienced it. It just lacks the ability to pack a meaningful punch. Anything it can do can be done faster with a smaller hitbox and the ability to jump using a Panther.

[Pak Hammond]

Mist lynx is suprisingly good. Lose the arms and no weapons, but itherwise quite good. Currently mastering these at the moment.

Ice ferret was a bit tougher to master, but speedy and laser/srms worked.

Hellbringers are great heavies.

Gargoyles are tricky to get right, but once you find your place with them, they tend to work. Would say if you want to buy the pack then go ahead. Its your money after all!!☺

Edited by pakman61, 01 March 2016 - 03:45 PM.

[Lupis Volk]

pakman61, on 01 March 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

Mist lynx is suprisingly good. Lose the arms and no weapons, but itherwise quite good. Currently mastering these at the moment.

Ice ferret was a bit tougher to master, but speedy and laser/srms worked.

Hellbringers are great heavies.

Gargoyles are tricky to get right, but once you find your place with them, they tend to work. Would say if you want to buy the pack then go ahead. Its your money after all!!☺

yeah the second wave has more mechs that i don't have.

[Rhavin]

I wouldn't ala carte a shadowcat, for 5 more bucks you get the faction content x 2 and 3 mechbays plus a cbill earning prime AC variant. Sell your current ACs, or sell the new ones if you have one shot camo on the ones you own now.

Wave 3 is the only clan wave worth buying in my opinion. The EJ is a beast, its a tie between it and hellbringer as 2nd best clan heavy. Timberwolf just has it beat. Executioner is different (and beastly as well in the right hands), but not worth buying unless you just got a soft spot for it. The shadowcat is underrated, I have outstanding games in it on a regular basis. Light pilots (especially raven pilots who aren't used to the speed of many other lights) tend to do well in it once they get used to the MASC. You already have the AC so no words there.

[Lupis Volk]

Rhavin, on 01 March 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

I wouldn't ala carte a shadowcat, for 5 more bucks you get the faction content x 2 and 3 mechbays plus a cbill earning prime AC variant. Sell your current ACs, or sell the new ones if you have one shot camo on the ones you own now.

Wave 3 is the only clan wave worth buying in my opinion. The EJ is a beast, its a tie between it and hellbringer as 2nd best clan heavy. Timberwolf just has it beat. Executioner is different (and beastly as well in the right hands), but not worth buying unless you just got a soft spot for it. The shadowcat is underrated, I have outstanding games in it on a regular basis. Light pilots (especially raven pilots who aren't used to the speed of many other lights) tend to do well in it once they get used to the MASC. You already have the AC so no words there.

Already have timbers, yeah i'd sell the non special AC. I have issues with the EJ, that stems form coreing dumb LRM EJ's. I do have the Raven, i'm a big light person.

[Kira Onime]

IF you're goijng to buy a clan wave pack, get wave 3.
Most of the good mechs in wave 1 are in the very expensive slots and wave 2, outside of the hellbringer, is forgettable.
Buy wave 3 with $$ if you really want to then get the HBR with cbills.

[Shu Horus]

Don't single purchase the Shadow Cat. The five bucks extra for the AC + SC Package give you a decent C-Bill boost with the sales of the not needed ACs and some extra Premium Time, along with a Prime (I) Variant of the AC.

For Wave 2 Forget about every thing except the Loki (Hellbringer). If you wanna try them, get them for C-Bills.

If you are looking for some good Medium or Heavy Clanner, without having to buy the very high Wave 1 Packs, check the Steam Specials (these are the same as the formerly available "Performance Packs"):
Mad Cat (Timber Wolf C) and Ryoken (Stormcrow Prime) are available there as (S)-Variants (30% C-Bill boost) along with an IS countepart (Thunderbolt with the Timber and Hunchback with the Stormcrow), a big bag of Premium Time, some colors and a Camo-Pattern (Bloody Bones on Black) and loads of C-Bills and MCs.

You only get one variant with these Packs, so you have to get the missing two with c-bills for Mastery. But they are cheaper then the a la carte choices and get a big bunch of extras.

You can just install MWO over Steam, Login with your existing account, purchase the DLCs. When the content is infused, it's available off Steam too (if you do not like to use Steam for MWO in general).


Cheers
Nuit

Edited by Shu Horus, 02 March 2016 - 02:26 AM.

[Lupis Volk]

Shu Horus, on 02 March 2016 - 02:16 AM, said:

Don't single purchase the Shadow Cat. The five bucks extra for the AC + SC Package give you a decent C-Bill boost with the sales of the not needed ACs and some extra Premium Time, along with a Prime (I) Variant of the AC.

For Wave 2 Forget about every thing except the Loki (Hellbringer). If you wanna try them, get them for C-Bills.

If you are looking for some good Medium or Heavy Clanner, without having to buy the very high Wave 1 Packs, check the Steam Specials (these are the same as the formerly available "Performance Packs"):
Mad Cat (Timber Wolf C) and Ryoken (Stormcrow Prime) are available there as (S)-Variants (30% C-Bill boost) along with an IS countepart (Thunderbolt with the Timber and Hunchback with the Stormcrow), a big bag of Premium Time, some colors and a Camo-Pattern (Bloody Bones on Black) and loads of C-Bills and MCs.

You only get one variant with these Packs, so you have to get the missing two with c-bills for Mastery. But they are cheaper then the a la carte choices and get a big bunch of extras.

You can just install MWO over Steam, Login with your existing account, purchase the DLCs. When the content is infused, it's available off Steam too (if you do not like to use Steam for MWO in general).


Cheers
Nuit

I already have the Steam timberwolf.

[Lupis Volk]

Not true. The Mist Lynx can be made into a quite competent 'rave 3L' knock off. Yes, you need speed freak to give it the necessary speed and its not perfect, but its not a bad light mech. Before the ACH and the Jenner IIC, it was the best Clan Light Mech for the harasser role.

The Ice Ferret is the Clan Cicada. A Heavy Light Mech. And the Gargoyle can be comparable to a Victor or Zeus, although it suffers a bit from people sometimes mistaking it for an Atlas.

If you put them side by side:

Cheetah wins in the Light Category, although the Lynx is a better support mech.

Medium i'd give to the Ice Ferret. Yes the Shadowcat is a good and solid Sniper and Poker, but the Ferret has more utility and its speed means its a great Light Mech Hunter and heavy Harasser. The Shadowcat is a very passive mech. It makes up for the lower speed with ECM and Jump Jets. Shadowcat is in the name.. you want to be an ambusher and sniper. Ice Ferret is more active... running down enemies.. playing as a heavy Light.

Heavy depends on what you want. Hellbringer is an ECM Flanker, while EBJ is a heavy Weapon Platform/Ambusher. EBJ hits harder.. Hellbringer has more utility and i am partial to the Hellbringer. It reminds me a lot of my Wolverine and you can make it a quite fearsome brawler that can sneak up on people and to me the EBJ is more of a fire support platform.

Assault i would also put down as undecided. Both mechs suffer from having their weapons in their arms. The Gargoyle moves 87kph.. which is IS Medium Mech speed, this makes the Gargoyle a great rapid response Assault and allows you to Flank with it. The Executioner on the other hand, is a great finisher and fire Support. Neither Mech is particularly good at receiving damage, you can't roll your damage effectively as all your guns are in your arms on both of them and for that alone i'd say the price goes to the Gargoyle.

They have a similar weapon load, because the executioner loses quite a bit tonnage with all those Jump Jets and the Masc system, although the Executioner has more weapons.

So ultimately it comes down to do you want a bit more Speed or a bit more Armor. 20m jump jets... is better than nothing, but also nothing to write home about.


That being said... the 3rd pack is the better value for the money. You get more colors, heavier mechs.. and while the 2nd pack isn't in terms of which mechs it contains. If i probably would go with the 3rd one based on the goodies that come with the pack, despite me feeling that the 2nd one has the better/more interesting mechs.

this has me torn between wave 2 or 3.

Edited by Lupis Volk, 04 March 2016 - 02:58 PM.

[Fobhopper]

I personally prefer piloting IS over Clan mechs, but when it comes to packages, I think wave 1 was the best bang for the buck. The Timberwolf (madcat) is a top tier mech. The Nova and Stormcrow are also pretty popular mechs to play. The Direwolf is slow as hell, but you can stack a crap-ton of firepower on that thing and really ruin someones day. The Warhawk aint bad, but not great either. Kitfox and Adder are kind of meh, but at least the adder can be a surprising sniper mech. The Summoner isn't particularly noteworthy except for the fact that one variant has ECM.

For wave 2, I dont care for the Ice Ferret or the Hellbringer, but the Mist Lynx and Gargoyle are really good mechs. If you buy both wave 1 and 2, you get the Maddog set too, which I personally love that mech. Even though some dont and call it the poor man's timberwolf, its a pretty good mech.

As for wave 3, the Arctic Cheetah (arctic cheater as most call it) is an absurdly good mech. The shadowcat is hit or miss depending on how you play it. The Ebon Jaguar is a pretty good mech, but a lot of pilots try to brawl when they should only skirmish with it. The Executioner is a pretty decent mech, but its all based on your weapon preferences. What makes the EXE stand out is that it has a MASC system. Not very many mechs in the game have that.

If you are looking for a single bundle to put your money on, I would recommend Clan Wave 1, thats a lot of mechs that you can really play around with. But if you are playing with a budget, then I would say that Clan Wave 3 will give you the best bang for your buck.

[Lupis Volk]

Fobhopper, on 04 March 2016 - 03:35 PM, said:

I personally prefer piloting IS over Clan mechs, but when it comes to packages, I think wave 1 was the best bang for the buck. The Timberwolf (madcat) is a top tier mech. The Nova and Stormcrow are also pretty popular mechs to play. The Direwolf is slow as hell, but you can stack a crap-ton of firepower on that thing and really ruin someones day. The Warhawk aint bad, but not great either. Kitfox and Adder are kind of meh, but at least the adder can be a surprising sniper mech. The Summoner isn't particularly noteworthy except for the fact that one variant has ECM.

For wave 2, I dont care for the Ice Ferret or the Hellbringer, but the Mist Lynx and Gargoyle are really good mechs. If you buy both wave 1 and 2, you get the Maddog set too, which I personally love that mech. Even though some dont and call it the poor man's timberwolf, its a pretty good mech.

As for wave 3, the Arctic Cheetah (arctic cheater as most call it) is an absurdly good mech. The shadowcat is hit or miss depending on how you play it. The Ebon Jaguar is a pretty good mech, but a lot of pilots try to brawl when they should only skirmish with it. The Executioner is a pretty decent mech, but its all based on your weapon preferences. What makes the EXE stand out is that it has a MASC system. Not very many mechs in the game have that.

If you are looking for a single bundle to put your money on, I would recommend Clan Wave 1, thats a lot of mechs that you can really play around with. But if you are playing with a budget, then I would say that Clan Wave 3 will give you the best bang for your buck.

I have some mechs from Clan wave 1 so that's why i'm avoiding it. *also way to pricey for the higher bundles* I have the Arctic cheetah already brought with Cbills. I was eyeing wave 2 more since i don't have any mechs from that bundle.

[Fobhopper]

Lupis Volk, on 04 March 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:

I have some mechs from Clan wave 1 so that's why i'm avoiding it. *also way to pricey for the higher bundles* I have the Arctic cheetah already brought with Cbills. I was eyeing wave 2 more since i don't have any mechs from that bundle.

well considering clan wave 1 gets you twice as many mechs compared to wave 2 or 3, it is going to cost more. But if you already have mechs from the other waves, they just get wave 2 then. No need to dance around the topic if you already owned mechs from the previous packages. Its not like any mech package is a 'bad' package, while some mechs are better than others, there is no mech that is irredeemable (except for maybe the awesome, that thing is a walking barnyard).

[Lupis Volk]

I went with wave 2. Think i'd enjoy those slightly more than wave 3. Also they seem to have speed and mobility in and and i perfer that playstyle.